I see on here that there is one case of the clutch having a problem, that looked like it cracked on the back sheave, other than that, that's the only guy that had a problem with the p-22, no bolts breaking, or any other problems?
NO. AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR ME TO DO THAT.
ANYONE WHO KNOWS CLUTCHING SHOULD BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THE PROS AND CONS OF THE TWO CLUTCHES. I've been clutching sleds for 50 years. Plus, I own both clutches and know that they both work very well. Yet, when I say this, they both start calling me wrong.
Let's get to the main issue:
Mike and Rick both immediately called the P-22 junk. The reason appears to me to be because they didn't own one and immediately badmouthed it. In fact, Mike spent a whole day trying to clutch a 24 Boost with poor results so he just badmouthed it. Meanwhile, I've been working with many owners of P-22 clutches with excellent success. So, it isn't speculation.
Are you a knowledgeable clutching expert? If you think you are, then you should be able to see that the P-22 is a big improvement over the P-85.
And you should be able to see why Mike's testing using a wider than original belt versus a too narrow 2348 stock belt is not a fair comparison.
The original 2325 1.47" wide and .30" longer belt which I have works perfectly, but due to several widely variable clutch and engine alignment issues was causing a few problems like idle hang, etc. Rather than fix the root causes, Polaris took the cheap way out and just replaced the properly designed belt with a much narrower and shorter belt. Rather than go back and do what I did, Mike tried to use the inferior setup as delivered. It performed just as I predicted it would when Polaris did it. Namely, lost low gear as well as top end. So, he and others tried to adopt the P-85 clutch instead of fix the real problems. I have numerous customers who did what I did and are enjoying their P-22 clutches with the good belt. In fact, several aftermarket companies like SPEEDWERKS recommend using the proper 2325 belt.
I checked all critical factors before I rode my Boost and realigned everything. It performs much better than the NA 850. Does this enlighten you?
NO. AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR ME TO DO THAT.
ANYONE WHO KNOWS CLUTCHING SHOULD BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THE PROS AND CONS OF THE TWO CLUTCHES. I've been clutching sleds for 50 years. Plus, I own both clutches and know that they both work very well. Yet, when I say this, they both start calling me wrong.
Let's get to the main issue:
Mike and Rick both immediately called the P-22 junk. The reason appears to me to be because they didn't own one and immediately badmouthed it. In fact, Mike spent a whole day trying to clutch a 24 Boost with poor results so he just badmouthed it. Meanwhile, I've been working with many owners of P-22 clutches with excellent success. So, it isn't speculation.
Are you a knowledgeable clutching expert? If you think you are, then you should be able to see that the P-22 is a big improvement over the P-85.
And you should be able to see why Mike's testing using a wider than original belt versus a too narrow 2348 stock belt is not a fair comparison.
The original 2325 1.47" wide and .30" longer belt which I have works perfectly, but due to several widely variable clutch and engine alignment issues was causing a few problems like idle hang, etc. Rather than fix the root causes, Polaris took the cheap way out and just replaced the properly designed belt with a much narrower and shorter belt. Rather than go back and do what I did, Mike tried to use the inferior setup as delivered. It performed just as I predicted it would when Polaris did it. Namely, lost low gear as well as top end. So, he and others tried to adopt the P-85 clutch instead of fix the real problems. I have numerous customers who did what I did and are enjoying their P-22 clutches with the good belt. In fact, several aftermarket companies like SPEEDWERKS recommend using the proper 2325 belt.
I checked all critical factors before I rode my Boost and realigned everything. It performs much better than the NA 850. Does this enlighten you?
NO. AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR ME TO DO THAT.
ANYONE WHO KNOWS CLUTCHING SHOULD BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THE PROS AND CONS OF THE TWO CLUTCHES. I've been clutching sleds for 50 years. Plus, I own both clutches and know that they both work very well. Yet, when I say this, they both start calling me wrong.
Let's get to the main issue:
Mike and Rick both immediately called the P-22 junk. The reason appears to me to be because they didn't own one and immediately badmouthed it. In fact, Mike spent a whole day trying to clutch a 24 Boost with poor results so he just badmouthed it. Meanwhile, I've been working with many owners of P-22 clutches with excellent success. So, it isn't speculation.
Are you a knowledgeable clutching expert? If you think you are, then you should be able to see that the P-22 is a big improvement over the P-85.
And you should be able to see why Mike's testing using a wider than original belt versus a too narrow 2348 stock belt is not a fair comparison.
The original 2325 1.47" wide and .30" longer belt which I have works perfectly, but due to several widely variable clutch and engine alignment issues was causing a few problems like idle hang, etc. Rather than fix the root causes, Polaris took the cheap way out and just replaced the properly designed belt with a much narrower and shorter belt. Rather than go back and do what I did, Mike tried to use the inferior setup as delivered. It performed just as I predicted it would when Polaris did it. Namely, lost low gear as well as top end. So, he and others tried to adopt the P-85 clutch instead of fix the real problems. I have numerous customers who did what I did and are enjoying their P-22 clutches with the good belt. In fact, several aftermarket companies like SPEEDWERKS recommend using the proper 2325 belt.
I checked all critical factors before I rode my Boost and realigned everything. It performs much better than the NA 850. Does this enlighten you?
No, my initial comparison that I posted up with dragy numbers was not with the wider belt, it was with a well used stock na 850 belt. Feb 16th was the first time I used the 3212338 belt and yes it made the Boost with the P85 even better.
Several people in my friend group have had P22's fail in their Boost. 23-24's. One of them lost the crank because of it. If you actually took a P22 apart, you might think differently.
Are you a clutch expert?
Or are you just another novice with an opinion?
I've been testing using other customer's sleds. NONE of them have the negative assessment spouted by Mike and Rick.
Mike spent some time trying to make the 2325 belt work and couldn't. In fact, he measured the 2325 belt width incorrectly. He thought that you could use a vernier caliper laid across the top of the belt. You can't do it that way as explained in the shop manual. But he still condemned the 2325 belt as too narrow. But now he FINALLY revealed that he was using a worn out 850 belt for his assessment. This tells me that the P-22 he was using wasn't properly setup. That's the obvious reason he wouldn't reveal what belt he was using for his testing that you seem to think is absolutely necessary. GMAFB!
Yep, I really trust his analysis. TESTING ISN'T VALID UNDER HIS PRACTISES. Maybe you should help him.
Mine works perfectly. And so do my customers.
Maybe you should learn some of the other missed issues involved:
1. The engine is way too far twisted forward. I fixed that first.
2. The P-22 clutch was not always shimmed properly from new.
Mine had the right .020" side clearance. Some had ZERO.
3. Bolts were bad and breaking in some clutches. Not in mine.
4. Bolts weren't properly torqued. Mine was and still is.
5. Some P-22s couldn't reach full shift because the cover would hit the spider. Mine was fine.
6. These issues must be addressed before any so-called field testing.
The bottom line is that you can't compare apples to oranges then make a valid assessment.
Are you a clutch expert?
Or are you just another novice with an opinion?
I've been testing using other customer's sleds. NONE of them have the negative assessment spouted by Mike and Rick.
Mike spent some time trying to make the 2325 belt work and couldn't. In fact, he measured the 2325 belt width incorrectly. He thought that you could use a vernier caliper laid across the top of the belt. You can't do it that way as explained in the shop manual. But he still condemned the 2325 belt as too narrow. But now he FINALLY revealed that he was using a worn out 850 belt for his assessment. This tells me that the P-22 he was using wasn't properly setup. That's the obvious reason he wouldn't reveal what belt he was using for his testing that you seem to think is absolutely necessary. GMAFB!
Yep, I really trust his analysis. TESTING ISN'T VALID UNDER HIS PRACTISES. Maybe you should help him.
Mine works perfectly. And so do my customers.
Maybe you should learn some of the other missed issues involved:
1. The engine is way too far twisted forward. I fixed that first.
2. The P-22 clutch was not always shimmed properly from new.
Mine had the right .020" side clearance. Some had ZERO.
3. Bolts were bad and breaking in some clutches. Not in mine.
4. Bolts weren't properly torqued. Mine was and still is.
5. Some P-22s couldn't reach full shift because the cover would hit the spider. Mine was fine.
6. These issues must be addressed before any so-called field testing.
The bottom line is that you can't compare apples to oranges then make a valid assessment.
The p85 and p22 add one more variable to clutching. If you don't test this variable it's left on the table as an unknown. Would be no different working on a clutch setup where you change weights, helix, 2ndary spring, belt but you never change the primary spring. Your leaving an unknown on the table.
Guys that actual test all the variables have more credibility.
i have a 2019 xc 850 drag sled. i have a brand new p-22 and the stock p-85. i have tried every belt for it, and with the very same set up the p-85 is faster. the p-22 is on the bench. i ran a tied on this sled. #1 phil is you actually have to ride your sled. more then 20' down the lake. if you ride like a sally then no wounder you aren't having issue's? a lot are because they use there sleds for actually trail riding, and lake racing etc. try airing you sled out and landing on the throttle and see how well the p-22 holds up. this is how a lot of guys ride. you know actually pounding on there sleds. not every body sits in the middle of there wheel chair, my bad sled and rides on smooth surfaces.
The Polaris P22 clutch is praised for its improved throttle response, smoother clutch operation, reduced vibration, and better overall performance compared to standard clutches, especially in situations demanding quick acceleration and consistent power delivery, thanks to its design that allows for more precise adjustments and better belt clamping ability; this makes it a popular choice for performance-oriented riders, particularly in snowmobiles.
Key advantages of the P22 clutch include:
Enhanced acceleration:
The design allows for quicker engagement, leading to a more immediate power delivery and better off-the-line performance.
Adjustable for different terrains:
With the ability to fine-tune weights and helix angles, riders can customize the clutch to suit various riding conditions.
Reduced belt wear:
Precise belt clamping helps to minimize belt slippage, leading to increased belt lifespan.
Self-adjusting mechanism:
Some P22 clutch variations feature a self-adjusting mechanism that compensates for belt wear, maintaining optimal performance over time.
Improved durability:
High-quality materials and construction contribute to increased clutch longevity.
The P22 clutch explained by SLP's Jerry Mathews - YouTube
Jan 20, 2022 — right yep it's like shocks like shocks and clutches everybody knows they're important nobody really tunes them and adj...
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On the P22/secondary combo for your Boost or 9R you'll lose 1lb of rotating weight, gain quicker throttle response, less overall vibration from your machine and smoother clutch operation.Nov 27, 2022 3 more lighten and balanced P22 Boost... - Chris Burandt
The Polaris P22 clutch is praised for its improved throttle response, smoother clutch operation, reduced vibration, and better overall performance compared to standard clutches, especially in situations demanding quick acceleration and consistent power delivery, thanks to its design that allows for more precise adjustments and better belt clamping ability; this makes it a popular choice for performance-oriented riders, particularly in snowmobiles.
Key advantages of the P22 clutch include:
Enhanced acceleration:
The design allows for quicker engagement, leading to a more immediate power delivery and better off-the-line performance.
Adjustable for different terrains:
With the ability to fine-tune weights and helix angles, riders can customize the clutch to suit various riding conditions.
Reduced belt wear:
Precise belt clamping helps to minimize belt slippage, leading to increased belt lifespan.
Self-adjusting mechanism:
Some P22 clutch variations feature a self-adjusting mechanism that compensates for belt wear, maintaining optimal performance over time.
Improved durability:
High-quality materials and construction contribute to increased clutch longevity.
The P22 clutch explained by SLP's Jerry Mathews - YouTube
Jan 20, 2022 — right yep it's like shocks like shocks and clutches everybody knows they're important nobody really tunes them and adj... View attachment 2166863 View attachment 2166865
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Magnum Force™ Clutch Weight for P-22 Polaris Clutch
SKU: magnum-polaris-p22. ... It utilizes external adjustability by means of a gun drilled and threaded center core, where mass can...
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On the P22/secondary combo for your Boost or 9R you'll lose 1lb of rotating weight, gain quicker throttle response, less overall vibration from your machine and smoother clutch operation.Nov 27, 2022 3 more lighten and balanced P22 Boost... - Chris Burandt View attachment 2166866
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and you believe these guys? did chris burandt explain how many p-22's they wreaked, and polaris releashed them anyway> of coarse not. he's paid by them. i don't listen to anyone. i learn from in field testing. period. so basiclly your a puppet?
The Polaris P22 clutch is praised for its improved throttle response, smoother clutch operation, reduced vibration, and better overall performance compared to standard clutches, especially in situations demanding quick acceleration and consistent power delivery, thanks to its design that allows for more precise adjustments and better belt clamping ability; this makes it a popular choice for performance-oriented riders, particularly in snowmobiles.
Key advantages of the P22 clutch include:
Enhanced acceleration:
The design allows for quicker engagement, leading to a more immediate power delivery and better off-the-line performance.
Adjustable for different terrains:
With the ability to fine-tune weights and helix angles, riders can customize the clutch to suit various riding conditions.
Reduced belt wear:
Precise belt clamping helps to minimize belt slippage, leading to increased belt lifespan.
Self-adjusting mechanism:
Some P22 clutch variations feature a self-adjusting mechanism that compensates for belt wear, maintaining optimal performance over time.
Improved durability:
High-quality materials and construction contribute to increased clutch longevity.
The P22 clutch explained by SLP's Jerry Mathews - YouTube
Jan 20, 2022 — right yep it's like shocks like shocks and clutches everybody knows they're important nobody really tunes them and adj... View attachment 2166863 View attachment 2166865
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Magnum Force™ Clutch Weight for P-22 Polaris Clutch
SKU: magnum-polaris-p22. ... It utilizes external adjustability by means of a gun drilled and threaded center core, where mass can...
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On the P22/secondary combo for your Boost or 9R you'll lose 1lb of rotating weight, gain quicker throttle response, less overall vibration from your machine and smoother clutch operation.Nov 27, 2022 3 more lighten and balanced P22 Boost... - Chris Burandt View attachment 2166866
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The Polaris P22 clutch is praised for its improved throttle response, smoother clutch operation, reduced vibration, and better overall performance compared to standard clutches, especially in situations demanding quick acceleration and consistent power delivery, thanks to its design that allows for more precise adjustments and better belt clamping ability; this makes it a popular choice for performance-oriented riders, particularly in snowmobiles.
Key advantages of the P22 clutch include:
Enhanced acceleration:
The design allows for quicker engagement, leading to a more immediate power delivery and better off-the-line performance.
Adjustable for different terrains:
With the ability to fine-tune weights and helix angles, riders can customize the clutch to suit various riding conditions.
Reduced belt wear:
Precise belt clamping helps to minimize belt slippage, leading to increased belt lifespan.
Self-adjusting mechanism:
Some P22 clutch variations feature a self-adjusting mechanism that compensates for belt wear, maintaining optimal performance over time.
Improved durability:
High-quality materials and construction contribute to increased clutch longevity.
The P22 clutch explained by SLP's Jerry Mathews - YouTube
Jan 20, 2022 — right yep it's like shocks like shocks and clutches everybody knows they're important nobody really tunes them and adj... View attachment 2166863 View attachment 2166865
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Magnum Force™ Clutch Weight for P-22 Polaris Clutch
SKU: magnum-polaris-p22. ... It utilizes external adjustability by means of a gun drilled and threaded center core, where mass can...
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On the P22/secondary combo for your Boost or 9R you'll lose 1lb of rotating weight, gain quicker throttle response, less overall vibration from your machine and smoother clutch operation.Nov 27, 2022 3 more lighten and balanced P22 Boost... - Chris Burandt View attachment 2166866
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Let's get to the main issue:
Mike and Rick both immediately called the P-22 junk. The reason appears to me to be because they didn't own one and immediately badmouthed it. In fact, Mike spent a whole day trying to clutch a 24 Boost with poor results so he just badmouthed it.
Not wanting to stir pot, but just a note because I routinely read all posts of interest to me several times from as far back as they run, Rick did NOT say the P22 was a piece of junk originally. When they first appeared in 22 Rick said the design was way better than the P85 and we would be seeing great results happen with it and that he would testing and building kits.
Sumpin' changed.
Another side note: my 9R just finished 3268 mi this morning with no issues and heading away for a week riding in couple hours and not worried. Think Carbonsled connector is cure for what ails some.
The Polaris P22 clutch is praised for its improved throttle response, smoother clutch operation, reduced vibration, and better overall performance compared to standard clutches, especially in situations demanding quick acceleration and consistent power delivery, thanks to its design that allows for more precise adjustments and better belt clamping ability; this makes it a popular choice for performance-oriented riders, particularly in snowmobiles.
Key advantages of the P22 clutch include:
Enhanced acceleration:
The design allows for quicker engagement, leading to a more immediate power delivery and better off-the-line performance.
Adjustable for different terrains:
With the ability to fine-tune weights and helix angles, riders can customize the clutch to suit various riding conditions.
Reduced belt wear:
Precise belt clamping helps to minimize belt slippage, leading to increased belt lifespan.
Self-adjusting mechanism:
Some P22 clutch variations feature a self-adjusting mechanism that compensates for belt wear, maintaining optimal performance over time.
Improved durability:
High-quality materials and construction contribute to increased clutch longevity.
The P22 clutch explained by SLP's Jerry Mathews - YouTube
Jan 20, 2022 — right yep it's like shocks like shocks and clutches everybody knows they're important nobody really tunes them and adj... View attachment 2166863 View attachment 2166865
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SnoWest Magazine
Magnum Force™ Clutch Weight for P-22 Polaris Clutch
SKU: magnum-polaris-p22. ... It utilizes external adjustability by means of a gun drilled and threaded center core, where mass can...
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On the P22/secondary combo for your Boost or 9R you'll lose 1lb of rotating weight, gain quicker throttle response, less overall vibration from your machine and smoother clutch operation.Nov 27, 2022 3 more lighten and balanced P22 Boost... - Chris Burandt View attachment 2166866
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The Polaris P22 clutch is praised for its improved throttle response, smoother clutch operation, reduced vibration, and better overall performance compared to standard clutches, especially in situations demanding quick acceleration and consistent power delivery, thanks to its design that allows for more precise adjustments and better belt clamping ability; this makes it a popular choice for performance-oriented riders, particularly in snowmobiles.
Key advantages of the P22 clutch include:
Enhanced acceleration:
The design allows for quicker engagement, leading to a more immediate power delivery and better off-the-line performance.
Adjustable for different terrains:
With the ability to fine-tune weights and helix angles, riders can customize the clutch to suit various riding conditions.
Reduced belt wear:
Precise belt clamping helps to minimize belt slippage, leading to increased belt lifespan.
Self-adjusting mechanism:
Some P22 clutch variations feature a self-adjusting mechanism that compensates for belt wear, maintaining optimal performance over time.
Improved durability:
High-quality materials and construction contribute to increased clutch longevity.
The P22 clutch explained by SLP's Jerry Mathews - YouTube
Jan 20, 2022 — right yep it's like shocks like shocks and clutches everybody knows they're important nobody really tunes them and adj... View attachment 2166863 View attachment 2166865
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SnoWest Magazine
Magnum Force™ Clutch Weight for P-22 Polaris Clutch
SKU: magnum-polaris-p22. ... It utilizes external adjustability by means of a gun drilled and threaded center core, where mass can...
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On the P22/secondary combo for your Boost or 9R you'll lose 1lb of rotating weight, gain quicker throttle response, less overall vibration from your machine and smoother clutch operation.Nov 27, 2022 3 more lighten and balanced P22 Boost... - Chris Burandt View attachment 2166866
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The Polaris P22 clutch is praised for its improved throttle response, smoother clutch operation, reduced vibration, and better overall performance compared to standard clutches, especially in situations demanding quick acceleration and consistent power delivery, thanks to its design that allows for more precise adjustments and better belt clamping ability; this makes it a popular choice for performance-oriented riders, particularly in snowmobiles.
Key advantages of the P22 clutch include:
Enhanced acceleration:
The design allows for quicker engagement, leading to a more immediate power delivery and better off-the-line performance.
Adjustable for different terrains:
With the ability to fine-tune weights and helix angles, riders can customize the clutch to suit various riding conditions.
Reduced belt wear:
Precise belt clamping helps to minimize belt slippage, leading to increased belt lifespan.
Self-adjusting mechanism:
Some P22 clutch variations feature a self-adjusting mechanism that compensates for belt wear, maintaining optimal performance over time.
Improved durability:
High-quality materials and construction contribute to increased clutch longevity.
The P22 clutch explained by SLP's Jerry Mathews - YouTube
Jan 20, 2022 — right yep it's like shocks like shocks and clutches everybody knows they're important nobody really tunes them and adj... View attachment 2166863 View attachment 2166865
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SnoWest Magazine
Magnum Force™ Clutch Weight for P-22 Polaris Clutch
SKU: magnum-polaris-p22. ... It utilizes external adjustability by means of a gun drilled and threaded center core, where mass can...
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On the P22/secondary combo for your Boost or 9R you'll lose 1lb of rotating weight, gain quicker throttle response, less overall vibration from your machine and smoother clutch operation.Nov 27, 2022 3 more lighten and balanced P22 Boost... - Chris Burandt View attachment 2166866
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