I see on here that there is one case of the clutch having a problem, that looked like it cracked on the back sheave, other than that, that's the only guy that had a problem with the p-22, no bolts breaking, or any other problems?
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That would be interesting and credible as he has actual ran them both.
My kid sent me a video of Munson putting the p22 back on a week or so ago.
I watched the video a few time doesn’t really say why. implies that he went back for the amount of power he was making.
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Great info from an exacting tuner. One of my customers just won his class against all 2-stroke NA and Boosted sleds. He uses the original P-22 with 2325 belt.
The P-85 is a great clutch, but the P-22 is even better. Yes, there were some early issues on some P-22s, but most have been fixed. Time to quit trying to talk folks into the P-85 and learn to tune and PROPERLY test and compare clutches. Hopefully, Polaris will go back to the original 2325 belt and fix all the other issues.
And how would that be credible ? the butt dyno ?
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So after reading all of these posts, some of which are hilarious with the banter back n forth between members 😂 amusing to say the least!
Do we agree that adding the Carbon Sled kit to The P-22 improves but doesn’t completely solve a possibility of something happening?
I like what Carbon Sled has made and watched/read as much as I could on it.
Looking at picking up a left over 2025 9R or Boost during the summer.
Appreciate this forum and all the information.
The bickering between members is quite entertaining 👍🏻🤘🏻🙌🏻💪🏻
Do we agree that adding the Carbon Sled kit to The P-22 improves but doesn’t completely solve a possibility of something happening?
I like what Carbon Sled has made and watched/read as much as I could on it.
Looking at picking up a left over 2025 9R or Boost during the summer.
Appreciate this forum and all the information.
The bickering between members is quite entertaining 👍🏻🤘🏻🙌🏻💪🏻
flatland sleds don't have near the issues mountain sleds do , my boost sleds have been fine just have to check the clutch bolt if removing the clutch per Polaris and you'll be fine , 25 clutches have improvements .....
It would be interesting his take on the pros and cons of the 2 clutches on the same machine.
I haven't heard or seen any 2025 P22 that have come apart.
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I have no skin in this debate, I don’t use either of those clutches on my boost. However what I have seen to be the biggest advantage to the P22 is the tight deflection. 90% of trail riders have no clue why they need to keep the deflection properly adjusted. That being said the P22 fixes people’s ignorance. Gas , oil and just ride that’s how most snowmobilers think . Just my 2 cents, carry on 😁
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Any dragy's yet from your great running p22 equipped stock Boost or are we still just speculating?
Not saying which is better the jury is out as far as I'm concerned. You have 2 different goals and long term they become one. 1) Performance and 2) reliability. Need more time for the P22 to prove itself.
I still have 2 tool boxes full of helixes and springs for a button 2ndary. 👍
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None yet. But, long before Dragy came along, I compared my sled to others to detect performance improvements. And, this shows me clearly that my Boost runs very well. Contrary to your SPECULATION. The problem with Dragy testing is that you are comparing performance between sleds done in different conditions and weather. You must stop this BS, as you yourself should know by now. Anyone can fake/fudge their sled or components and there are no witnesses to verify what you did to gain enough performance to show superiority. Like sharpening your studs, or using high compression heads. (or a softer wider cross country belt). We know your history of doing this as you did the same thing while comparing the P-22 to the P-85. The proper test should have used the 2325 belt in a PROPERLY setup P-22 and a same width but slightly shorter belt in the P-85, not a worn 850 belt in the P-85 vs a narrow and inferior 2348 belt (or other belt) in the poorly setup P-22.
Your assertions of the P-22 clutch being inferior are wrong and it has been proven over and over. My 23 Boost with P-22 just happens to be properly setup and the engine and clutches are well aligned. The same is true of my 2019 850 with P-85. My Boost easily outruns that sled contrary to your claims that a well setup 850 will outperform it even with a 15-20 hp advantage for the Boost. Yet, you stated that I can't compare the two. Make up your mind.
The biggest advantage of the P-22 is ease of disassembly and automatic deflection maintenance. Other knowledgeable tuners have also stated this.
Start using apples to apples rather than whatever it takes to supposedly prove that you are right. I see why you and the other BS'R want me to go away.
And now we're back 10 or more years ago with the sharpened studs again.
Serious question for the P22. See a lot of guys are commenting on the Carbon sled fix kit. Basically back to a jamnut style containment for the spider. Of the guys that actually ride their sled is anybody running the Carbon Sled fix kit.
Serious question for the P22. See a lot of guys are commenting on the Carbon sled fix kit. Basically back to a jamnut style containment for the spider. Of the guys that actually ride their sled is anybody running the Carbon Sled fix kit.
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Are you implying that I don't ride my sled? I ride when it is feasible and conditions are appropriate. This depends heavily on many factors.
The reference to studs was simply to illustrate how certain individuals are so determined to gain an advantage so they can be seen as superior that they will alter certain important factors. The Dragy testing is the same scenario. If you are the testing fanatic that you claim to be, then you also should be concerned about details such as traction that can invalidate the tests. Is this clear?
Testing anything is a big opportunity to slant things in a certain direction if one can get away with it. I specialize in BS repellent. Attention to detail. Certain folks see that as a threat to their reputation, and they should.
Yes in my opinion I wouldn't use a P22 without it. There is a reason why all the aftermarket clutch manufacturers with P22 style clutches never recommended them for trail use.
With the Carbon Sled fix kit, we've never had the clutch bolt take any additional torque after initially installed. Probably have checked it 5 or 6 times in the last 1500 miles.
I'm only hearing one guy here that is wiping the drool off his chin speaking of how great and superior the P22 is. The same guy that told me the BMP Stage Placebo kits were great products.
I'M NOT LISTENING to him with his weak testing claims. He says he specializes in BS repellent but he spreads his fair share of fact less BS himself.
I've had my mind on a new 9R Assault for a while now. I've made many mistakes over the years buying Polaris's 1st year motors and models. I've spanked my own ass too many times having drank the Polaris Kool Aid in their SnowCheck reveals and have jumped quickly to have the newest Polaris products before they have been tested and refined. The P22 has been helping me hold back on the urge to run out and buy the 9R Assault.
This time I'm not in the mix playing the Guinea Pig test game with the P22 and it feels good. I have been listening to all kinds of people that have had many negatives to speak of about the P22 and its issues. (( Including my Dealer )) What has been expected for me is that if Polaris sticks with the P22 this will be because they feel they are slowly getting past all the expensive warranty claims and are making the clutch better and more durable with each passing year. As always, a lot of their best advice comes from their buying customers and then the best ways to improve and fix come from the smartest minded testers and aftermarket product makers that produce the products that make Polaris products work better.
It's my hope that the P22 is getting better and will be getting more durable for year 2026. I've learned not to expect for Polaris to be telling us that they are making the fixes. That would be admitting guilt that the 1st years of growth did indeed have issues. They don't have to admit it. Those that listen to the chatter and have dealers and Polaris tech mechanics that are willing to share honest views on new products learn whether something is good or bad without Polaris ever having to admit anything.
I'm hoping that "Eventually" the P22 will get itself worked out to be a good dependable clutch delivered by Polaris to us in a form where it rolls off the showroom floor with better qualities than it has now. Generally Polaris makes strong improvement on year 2 with a product and at year 3 even more. Hopefully the 2026 sleds with P22 clutches will be getting some unspoken of improvements.
I'M NOT LISTENING to him with his weak testing claims. He says he specializes in BS repellent but he spreads his fair share of fact less BS himself.
I've had my mind on a new 9R Assault for a while now. I've made many mistakes over the years buying Polaris's 1st year motors and models. I've spanked my own ass too many times having drank the Polaris Kool Aid in their SnowCheck reveals and have jumped quickly to have the newest Polaris products before they have been tested and refined. The P22 has been helping me hold back on the urge to run out and buy the 9R Assault.
This time I'm not in the mix playing the Guinea Pig test game with the P22 and it feels good. I have been listening to all kinds of people that have had many negatives to speak of about the P22 and its issues. (( Including my Dealer )) What has been expected for me is that if Polaris sticks with the P22 this will be because they feel they are slowly getting past all the expensive warranty claims and are making the clutch better and more durable with each passing year. As always, a lot of their best advice comes from their buying customers and then the best ways to improve and fix come from the smartest minded testers and aftermarket product makers that produce the products that make Polaris products work better.
It's my hope that the P22 is getting better and will be getting more durable for year 2026. I've learned not to expect for Polaris to be telling us that they are making the fixes. That would be admitting guilt that the 1st years of growth did indeed have issues. They don't have to admit it. Those that listen to the chatter and have dealers and Polaris tech mechanics that are willing to share honest views on new products learn whether something is good or bad without Polaris ever having to admit anything.
I'm hoping that "Eventually" the P22 will get itself worked out to be a good dependable clutch delivered by Polaris to us in a form where it rolls off the showroom floor with better qualities than it has now. Generally Polaris makes strong improvement on year 2 with a product and at year 3 even more. Hopefully the 2026 sleds with P22 clutches will be getting some unspoken of improvements.
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