[jd8300]

Ran Carbonsled's connector on my 9R from day 1 and never had an issue in 5000 aggressive miles. Tightened to recommended torque at installation retorqued after first ride and got just a squeak tighter. Checked torque again at 500mi, 1000mi, and 2000mi and never had bolt move. Because of this post just went out now and checked torque, and not a whisker of movement.

I'm not 100% sold on the P22 and will be trying a P85\Tied combo this season, but I believe any of the threaded connector kits are the proper fix for the P22 blowup issue. Hopefully Polaris is reading this

Kind of makes a guy wonder.

 

[OutKast]

^^^ EXACTLY 👍

 

[just-pinch-it]

Amazing what man was able to accomplish with a straight edge, circle compass, protractor, slide ruler, trigonometry, paper and a pencil!

 

[northstarrick]

Kind of makes a guy wonder.

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when Chris Burant was blowing a p-22 clutch up almost every day? why would Polaris release it to the public? the p-85 has been tested since 1985 racers don't take chances on stuff like this. and like what the guys that know have been saying. the best mph and et is with the p-85 over the p-22. only one fan boy on here that thinks he knows? he doesn't

 

[patrioticinnovations]

when Chris Burant was blowing a p-22 clutch up almost every day? why would Polaris release it to the public? the p-85 has been tested since 1985 racers don't take chances on stuff like this. and like what the guys that know have been saying. the best mph and et is with the p-85 over the p-22. only one fan boy on here that thinks he knows? he doesn't

LOL! Just what do you think makes the P-85 faster than the P-22?
1. The P-22 weighs 1 lb less.
2. Has the same sheave angles as the P-85.
3. The weights are not much heavier at the tip.
4. The weights are heavier overall because they are wider at the pivot pin and because the Boost and 9R make more hp.
5. The Boost also has a helix with 2 more degrees finish angle.
6. The P-22 has a much smoother engagement.
7. Deflection is perfect all the time.
8. And, the P-85 doesn't grip the belt any harder that the P-22 despite opinions to the contrary. That's mainly controlled by the 2ndy.
9. Eventually, the knowledgeable racers will have a much wider selection of weights. This is the main reason that the P-85 is still being used.
10. Certain testers have used much different belts, etc., in an attempt to bias their testing to suit their opinions. The P-22 is easily superior to the P-85 and eventually will replace it totally IMO. So, better learn how to tune it properly.

 

[Lid2]

In do believe that the design of the p22 is flawed. But here are some reasons that (I have both and hopefully will dial the sled in with both at some point ) that I’m first gonna concentrate on the p22. I think Phil is right that the p85 is on the way out the door so I better figure out how to make a 22 work and stay together. Local and not so local race rules dictate that stock oem for the model ckutches must be used. So if ya want to legit race one ya can’t change the clutches in alot of the classes. Next I don’t believe the p85 can carry enough weight esp in the right spots to keep rpm in ck. When really stepping on the boost pressure. So it’s a necessary evil to play those games. And that is why I don’t just shelf it

 

[patrioticinnovations]

Once you do the retainer LID, most P-22 issues are fixed IMO. Here's a good video on it. The hammering shown in this video does not happen as violently as demonstrated because the weights are still opposing the effect anytime rpms drop as long as you are above engagement rpm.

Bing Videos

 

[BattleStorm]

when Chris Burant was blowing a p-22 clutch up almost every day? why would Polaris release it to the public? the p-85 has been tested since 1985 racers don't take chances on stuff like this. and like what the guys that know have been saying. the best mph and et is with the p-85 over the p-22. only one fan boy on here that thinks he knows? he doesn't

Exactly. Funny how many have switched from a p22 to a p85 but you never hear of anyone going from a p85 to a p22.

LOL! Just what do you think makes the P-85 faster than the P-22?
1. The P-22 weighs 1 lb less.
2. Has the same sheave angles as the P-85.
3. The weights are not much heavier at the tip.
4. The weights are heavier overall because they are wider at the pivot pin and because the Boost and 9R make more hp.
5. The Boost also has a helix with 2 more degrees finish angle.
6. The P-22 has a much smoother engagement.
7. Deflection is perfect all the time.
8. And, the P-85 doesn't grip the belt any harder that the P-22 despite opinions to the contrary. That's mainly controlled by the 2ndy.
9. Eventually, the knowledgeable racers will have a much wider selection of weights. This is the main reason that the P-85 is still being used.
10. Certain testers have used much different belts, etc., in an attempt to bias their testing to suit their opinions. The P-22 is easily superior to the P-85 and eventually will replace it totally IMO. So, better learn how to tune it properly.

Rather than talk, why don't you go and test. You might actually figure it out then. I'd say using the belt that the sled came with is right way to test.

In do believe that the design of the p22 is flawed.Local and not so local race rules dictate that stock oem for the model ckutches must be used. So if ya want to legit race one ya can’t change the clutches in alot of the classes. Next I don’t believe the p85 can carry enough weight esp in the right spots to keep rpm in ck. When really stepping on the boost pressure.

That's too bad that they wont let you use another clutch from the same manufacture that is currently being used on other 850's. Even the factory drag racer Boost runs a p85. Will they allow you to mod the p22 so it wont come flying apart?
The p85 will carry more than enough weight for any Boost using the factory turbo. I would say that the p22 has much more of an issue with weight than the p85. Guys are maxing out goofy looking p22 weights trying to get it to pull. Meanwhile sleds making the same hp with p85's have zero issues with that and need way less weight to get the same rpm. People have been using p85's with turbo applications for damn near ever.

 

[Lid2]

Exactly. Funny how many have switched from a p22 to a p85 but you never hear of anyone going from a p85 to a p22.

Rather than talk, why don't you go and test. You might actually figure it out then. I'd say using the belt that the sled came with is right way to test.


That's too bad that they wont let you use another clutch from the same manufacture that is currently being used on other 850's. Even the factory drag racer Boost runs a p85. Will they allow you to mod the p22 so it wont come flying apart?
The p85 will carry more than enough weight for any Boost using the factory turbo. I would say that the p22 has much more of an issue with weight than the p85. Guys are maxing out goofy looking p22 weights trying to get it to pull. Meanwhile sleds making the same hp with p85's have zero issues with that and need way less weight to get the same rpm. People have been using p85's with turbo applications for damn near ever.

I believe that they would not have an issue with one of those locking collars etc on a p22 but if sled came with a 22 has to have it and the other way around. Same with secondary clutch not legal to run a tied on a sled with a tss-04 from factory. There are “higher “ classes were you can run a 85 or even a stm etc. but at that point your dealing with race only sleds and my sleds are full time trail part time race . So I would literally be throwing money and time out the window to get knocked in first round or 2 . How much weight can a 85 carry ? And since I have never messed with a 22 I didn’t relize a weight difference between the 2. I thought if a 22 needed 100 grams of weight then the85 would also need in that ballpark I guess I wrongfully assumed Polaris had them functioning the same as far as that goes. Yes I’ve had some buddies run aftermarket turbos with the 85 at around 230-240 maybe Hp. Like I said I have a p85. That I can use regulatory but I have no choice but to work with the 22 also

 

[ExcursionPSD]

The P22 weights are very wide at the pin. That added weight does not contribute to squeezing the belt.

 

[justinator]

Interestingly enough Will at velocity prefers the P22 for aggressive riding and higher hp sleds. He admits the P-85 is easier to make perform better than the P-22 for people doing simple swaps or comparisons. Once tuned properly he says the P-22 performs as well and 2024 or 2025 clutches with updated buttons and spider( not sure what year the buttons were updated) is more durable button and bushing wise with aggressive use and or boosted hp. Just relaying what he told me. Theres a ton of weight options now for the P-22 so no one can blame the lack of weight options. The factory setup is not it for sure, on the 9R anyway. Anxious for snow as I will try both clutches and see which I prefer

 

[Lid2]

The P22 weights are very wide at the pin. That added weight does not contribute to squeezing the belt.

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Here is one I’m having a hard time figuring out why offset the weight instead of center roller ? Yes im familiar with this wide area and its weight just speaking for myself i was taking about much heavier weight than that lil bit. How much weight does it take in a 85 to control rpm on 240hp aftermarket turbo set up on a 850. give or take on flatland. ?

 

[BattleStorm]

. How much weight can a 85 carry ? And since I have never messed with a 22 I didn’t relize a weight difference between the 2. I thought if a 22 needed 100 grams of weight then the85 would also need in that ballpark I guess I wrongfully assumed Polaris had them functioning the same as far as that goes. Yes I’ve had some buddies run aftermarket turbos with the 85 at around 230-240 maybe Hp. Like I said I have a p85. That I can use regulatory but I have no choice but to work with the 22 also

The p85 does not need near the weight a p22 does and it seems to be a larger spread at higher hp levels. I have yet to use more than 80gr weights in a p85, mostly run in the 78 range. The Polaris racer 300hp ported 900 Boost runs a little more weight in their p85 but the overall clutching and weight profile is not the same and my sled et's quicker than they do. I know guys with pump gas Boost using 95grams of weight and the bigger tunes needing 100+ grams. I talked to another person that was using something around 115grams in his p22 and it destroyed the clutch.
If you do the rest of the clutch setup correctly you will never need more weight than a p85 can hold with a stock turbo 850 Boost.

 

[Lid2]

The p85 does not need near the weight a p22 does and it seems to be a larger spread at higher hp levels. I have yet to use more than 80gr weights in a p85, mostly run in the 78 range. The Polaris racer 300hp ported 900 Boost runs a little more weight in their p85 but the overall clutching and weight profile is not the same and my sled et's quicker than they do. I know guys with pump gas Boost using 95grams of weight and the bigger tunes needing 100+ grams. I talked to another person that was using something around 115grams in his p22 and it destroyed the clutch.
If you do the rest of the clutch setup correctly you will never need more weight than a p85 can hold with a stock turbo 850 Boost.

Hmmm. Def. Something to think about. I’m gonna have to bang this around in my head. That is intersting info.

 

[patrioticinnovations]

Interestingly enough Will at velocity prefers the P22 for aggressive riding and higher hp sleds. He admits the P-85 is easier to make perform better than the P-22 for people doing simple swaps or comparisons. Once tuned properly he says the P-22 performs as well and 2024 or 2025 clutches with updated buttons and spider( not sure what year the buttons were updated) is more durable button and bushing wise with aggressive use and or boosted hp. Just relaying what he told me. Theres a ton of weight options now for the P-22 so no one can blame the lack of weight options. The factory setup is not it for sure, on the 9R anyway. Anxious for snow as I will try both clutches and see which I prefer

Those are my findings also. There really is no downside to the P-22 once some of the minor deficiencies are fixed. The biggest benefit is never having to adjust deflection. The 2nd biggest is easy spider removal with no special tools.

 

[Michmo]

Those are my findings also. There really is no downside to the P-22 once some of the minor deficiencies are fixed. The biggest benefit is never having to adjust deflection. The 2nd biggest is easy spider removal with no special tools.

Was maintaining belt deflection that big of a deal?

 

[Lid2]

Was maintaining belt deflection that big of a deal?

For most guys on here no it wasn’t. In fact I like adjusting my own belt BUT. From some side work I do and helping people along the trail. Apparently it’s witch craft because I see a lot of belts loose as a goose or banjo tight. I would say most riders have no idea how to adjust the belt or they just don’t do it.

 

[patrioticinnovations]

For most guys on here no it wasn’t. In fact I like adjusting my own belt BUT. From some side work I do and helping people along the trail. Apparently it’s witch craft because I see a lot of belts loose as a goose or banjo tight. I would say most riders have no idea how to adjust the belt or they just don’t do it.

Realize that the belt in a P-22 follows a perfect circle as it rests inside the clutch. When the clutch closes at engagement, the sheaves grip the belt in a perfect circle with even contact and no slack needs to be taken up.

The belt in a P-85 isn't resting in a perfect circle. Instead, it is tightest at the front and looser at the upper and lower sections in order to add slack. At engagement, this slack must be first taken up before the sheaves clamp tightly on the belt. This causes a snap that can delay engagement slightly and increases the diameter of the belt contact patch. SLP pointed this out in the video they made complimenting the P-22 over the P-85. This is a very important feature for smooth engagement and good belt grip at launch.

 

[BattleStorm]

For most guys on here no it wasn’t. In fact I like adjusting my own belt BUT. From some side work I do and helping people along the trail. Apparently it’s witch craft because I see a lot of belts loose as a goose or banjo tight. I would say most riders have no idea how to adjust the belt or they just don’t do it.

Those same guys that don’t pay attention to it do not even notice a performance loss anyway.

 

[northstarrick]

The p85 does not need near the weight a p22 does and it seems to be a larger spread at higher hp levels. I have yet to use more than 80gr weights in a p85, mostly run in the 78 range. The Polaris racer 300hp ported 900 Boost runs a little more weight in their p85 but the overall clutching and weight profile is not the same and my sled et's quicker than they do. I know guys with pump gas Boost using 95grams of weight and the bigger tunes needing 100+ grams. I talked to another person that was using something around 115grams in his p22 and it destroyed the clutch.
If you do the rest of the clutch setup correctly you will never need more weight than a p85 can hold with a stock turbo 850 Boost.

hey mike p.m. me your phone # sending guys to you for your tunes. i will be getting one as well shortly. thanks rick