[sleepybrew]

3 settings, bottoming, bottoming harder , and crashing your spine

 

[sleepybrew]

virtually bottomless!!!!!! don't get too excited

 

[sleepybrew]

One more shock is controlled and it's theoretically more sophisticated. I understand that. As far as how it works I meant, what the butt feels. The Ski-Doo system is fancier than Cat. But the Cat systems range of operation is more rational than Ski-Doo. Sophisticated, not sophisticated, self adjustable or manually adjustable. I just hope the Polaris system is more like Cat than Ski-Doo. I hope it's settings are truly usable and not, bottom, bottom harder, crush spine as sleepybrew stated.

i'm basing on shock experiences i have had. look back at the 20 xcrs and bottoming . not acceptable. my 21 xcr bottomed so easy. i had to make it what i was told i was getting. imagine someone bought a denali from us and it was bottoming out . i hope it's killer. you would think if it got levi lavalle stiff it should have come on the xcr

 

[sleepybrew]

Cat's system is an electronic adjustment, nothing more. Doo's system reacts, as does Polaris' Many have tried them in recent weeks, some credible sources will report back

as in cat moves the clicker? i think that's what stronger800 turbo had. doo/polaris changing valving inside magnetically or some tech like that?

 

[sleepybrew]

yes

that's what magnaride does in a denali. i quoted some struts today for a 16 yukon , almost 800 each. i wonder if these are rebuildable. or at least by a normal shock builder like me

 

[sleepybrew]

Anyone have any experience with it in the RZR?

i tried to look at the shock breakdown for an rzr , and it just shows the shock

 

[sleepybrew]

Some like riding bumps, where quality shocks (with decent calibration!) make a difference

i ride tug hill mostly. i go from glass to craters. i have to be ready. i go out a tad stiff, like an xcr would be expected to feel like. not harsh . ready for nearly anything , though if it gets warm and the bumps get big and solid i may go up a click or 2. shocks are very important if you ride hard . safety can be there too as bottoming out can change your direction .

 

[sleepybrew]

that high speed phantom roller at the hill can send you flying.

 

[sleepybrew]

You mean you’re not a fan of pancaking the chassis so hard it deflects the whole sled about 10 feet to one side or another. ? Poo missed that memo.

remember hitting the running boards? yeah , i'm good. suspension itself is good with good valving

 

[sleepybrew]

As far as I can tell it's all clicker adjustments. But the Doo and Poo systems react to what the sled is doing. If you're turning right, then the left shock stiffens up to prevent roll. If you leave the ground then they all stiffen up to brace for the impact. Stuff like that. The Cat system doesn't make these these "active" adjustments.

using a yaw sensor like the one in all of our vehicles.

 

[sleepybrew]

Polaris uses an IMU, there are no shock sensors

that seems better. measuring shock shafts would seem more complicated. those systems work. go try a donut with your truck. the sensors will pick it right up, apply inside brakes, etc. whatever it needs to be straight

 

[sleepybrew]

well guys, appreciate the good conversation. looks like almost a year before we find out real world

 

[sleepybrew]

Dynamix is speed sensitive too

i saw that part. cool tech if it all works

 

[sleepybrew]

Not the same, Magnaride electronically changes the fluid viscosity of their special oil as well as adjusting valving.
Looks like these are using a high speed actuator mounted where the clicker was to control fluid transfer, based on whats out there for RZR system. Don't see why they wouldn't be serviceable.
Fox has some videos on their site showing how the RZR shock actuators work.

that's what i was asking, how is it changing valving. actuator moving clicker. i rebuilt a shock from an apex and it had that design. obviously not fast changing but it did change

 

[sleepybrew]

Not the same, Magnaride electronically changes the fluid viscosity of their special oil as well as adjusting valving.
Looks like these are using a high speed actuator mounted where the clicker was to control fluid transfer, based on whats out there for RZR system. Don't see why they wouldn't be serviceable.
Fox has some videos on their site showing how the RZR shock actuators work.

looks like a qs3 with an actuator

 

[sleepybrew]

advice of the day folks ITS just a sled . NOT bmw , folks ask for this stuff and priced accordingly .price goes up , but remember this when you opened the hood on a 90 or 2000 vintage sled ,, compared to today , KEEP IT SIMPLE ..sure its nice to have new tech , some of this stuff is going to far ,, have read it cost 9 grand to replace a 9 r motor,, just wait till the gremlins get into this new shock system , weather its in warranty or not ,the dealers wont have a clue how to fix it , and sure the techs been around on a sxs for awhile,, do you think they honestly tested it on a sled , sled worlds a whole different game , its looks good on paper , should work , tech dept reads next years forums for fixs , to each there own poison , no thanks on the new ,

on the bold, you nailed it. what happens when the shock gets a little down on gas or is not quite in tip top shape? and the rebuild being difficult may slow people from rebuilding. it adjusts and nothing changes , does it freak out and go to limp mode or something?

 

[sleepybrew]

Fox has been selling electronic IQs shocks for snowmobiles for years already.

fox makes a great product. i use them in the mtb world and they rock. my friend is a big fox rebuilder for mtb. he says they switched to chinese sources years back and that hurt durability. still a good product and easily serviced. parts pretty much out there. i had fluid leaking from my rear shock clicker on my mtb. rebuilt that little bitch , orings so small in the clicker i had to take a contact lens out so i could see up close. now i have multi focal contacts and can see it all. that little fox shock has 400psi in it!

 

[sleepybrew]

Love mountain biking. I have multi-focals also and they work well for day to day things. When I work on small things I actually put my glassea on with my contacts in. Helps a lot.

we have our own trail system on private land. old resorts and private folks. they all love us. we have been at it for 28 years. we were up to about 30 miles , but recently lost 2 of our best sections. believe it or not we lost trails because of foot traffic. during the pandemic folks from nyc ran up here looking to hike. found our system and bombarded it. sweet waterfalls and creeks, people trashed it, naked, etc. landowner pleads with them , they tell him to go fuck himself. he tried signs for bikes only , yeah right. he finally kicked us all out. he feels bad as he loves our group. we get it. we still have a sweet system. we ride every wed night since 97.

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[sleepybrew]

yep ! does it work ? you bet it does ! Now will the sled lose its playfulness ? thats the biggest bitch i hear from do riders with smart shocks , not sure im ready to give that up[ ............

yeah i heard someone say it reduces transfer. please no

 

[sleepybrew]

Bummer about loosing some sections. I have a couple decent mountain bike trails with in 25 minutes. The one place just keeps adding more professionally built trails. Flows really well. Keeps me in shape for dirt bikes and snowmobiles.

we have numerous trail systems within a half hour. just lost a ski slope that went private. closed bike park instantly. i don't downhill but i know lots that do. yes mtb helps with the sled for sure. this is windham bike park that closed.