Wouldn't the heat from the muffler melt the electric fan and all the wiring associated with it?

 

well if you look at all the other stuff on the sled that isn't melted why would a fan melt? of corse it would have a aluminum duct to draw the air through and aluminum taped wires and such

 

I agree about the heat but why is a fan needed if you can properly channel the cold air outside thru the clutch compartment.

Frank this is just my opinion and I don't know much but I really appreciate all your doing.:thumbsup:

 

do you really want to drag all the heat over the belt? we have been fighting these turbo sleds all winter, his is vented on the clutch side on the back and it made no difference, he has over 4000 miles and he has had one hell of a winter fighting with belts because of the heat, the heat has to go out the other side or the belt problem will never be over and his is stock.

That muffler and pipe heat needs to be addressed and sent out fast as possible through the muffler side, we are talking like 1000 degrees here coming off these pipes

 

Apparently the fan is needed when you are going slow and getting gas. Maybe a frogskin hood would be a good investment.

 

I remember that my 2009 ski doo xp 800 had a plastic shield between the muffler side and engine bay, an attempt to reduce heat. We know heat is the enemy for belt life, but we know it has to be more than that on these 2012 ACs,something is moving and causing perfect alignment to be not perfect. Why are helixes breaking..and what is Cat doing about that for 2013? What will AC do to answer belt issues on the 2013, do we know yet? No 2013 for me until I get a sensible answer from AC. The skid frame and handling are also issues. Just looked at the inside of a 800 tunnel and the paint and some rivets are worn off on both sides from the track rubbing both sides. Why does the hi fax wear out on the outside rear? Hi fax are suppossed to wear at the bottom..not the sides. I can accept some issues but these sleds have way too many for a well tested??? sled. I have to laugh at some comments that simplify the belt issues,{your alignment must be wrong} etc. I was spot on and had many failures, I pull belts off when the cord comes out, that is usually within 400 miles.

 

the hyfaxes wear on the side from the clips on the track

 

What if my sled has no excess heat or belt wear? Wouldn't that be a solution in search of a problem? Honest question here.

 

Or you ride like a pussy.

 

Why wouldn't you want to wrap the exhaust with heat wrap? I've built a few turboed cars and that dramatically reduced engine bay temps. Wouldn't doing that and adding venting keep the under hood temps down without adding the fan?

The heat wrap is pretty cheap and works great in the applications I have used it imo

I don't have a cat or anything I just have been following these threads and they all seem like great fixes, keep up the good work!

 

Why wouldn't you want to wrap the exhaust with heat wrap? I've built a few turboed cars and that dramatically reduced engine bay temps. Wouldn't doing that and adding venting keep the under hood temps down without adding the fan?

The heat wrap is pretty cheap and works great in the applications I have used it imo

I don't have a cat or anything I just have been following these threads and they all seem like great fixes, keep up the good work!

i was thinking the same thing of wrapping the pipe with heat wrap on my turbo, seems though that no one wants to talk about that solution because it's cheap and there is no money to be made by a fabricator. Cat knew there was lots of heat from the manifold (if you look at it after running it's cherry red) and the heat it radiates has to go somewhere i.e. both sides under the hood of the sled. we notice it more on the clutch side because we expect high heat on the exhaust but not the PTO side. i believe if the manifold was ceramic coated it would drop the heat at the clutch significantly.

 

They don't have problems simply because of the way they are ridden, my dad can go a full winter on the same belt, I can jump on his sled and eat a belt in one ride if I ride his the way I ride mine.

 

Well aren't you just a bad ass! It has ZERO to do with how they're ridden. What part of multiple mile plus WOT runs and chugging through 5 ' of powder didn't you understand?

Does anyone have an answer to my question. Greensmob obviously doesn't.

 

Sorry but I am with wolfie on this one. 2600 miles on ORIGINAL belt, dont ride like your dad either:roflmao: finished up the season boondockin goat paths in Da UP, riding snow that was like mashed PO TA TOES. 52 degree air temp, beleave that Turbo was SMOKIN HOT, along with the clutches. Gotta be some reason it holds up. Just noticed I got the same sled as wolfie too.

 

Sorry but I am with wolfie on this one. 2600 miles on ORIGINAL belt, dont ride like your dad either:roflmao: finished up the season boondockin goat paths in Da UP, riding snow that was like mashed PO TA TOES. 52 degree air temp, beleave that Turbo was SMOKIN HOT, along with the clutches. Gotta be some reason it holds up. Just noticed I got the same sled as wolfie too.

again, you are talking about riding in mash potato's, that is not putting a big enough load on you drive train and clutches, lets here how many guys are riding really really hardpack trails with studs and what track you have.

lets hear how many miles you do in a stretch and what kind of trail system you ride.
thanks

 

keep it in mind that a lot of these guys are moded and pushing more than 177 hp

 

Frank I thank you for making my point! I was thinking while your at all these awesome fixes how about a belt holder! I can't wait for them to all be finished I'll be first in line for these upgrades!

 

Frank I thank you for making my point! I was thinking while your at all these awesome fixes how about a belt holder! I can't wait for them to all be finished I'll be first in line for these upgrades!

Thanks
a belt holder will be added to the belt guard

 

Post pics of this like new belt, clutches and odometer reading. Add max rpm recall as well.

 

Not a cat guy here , but love anything mechanical . Has anyone done any comparison testing to look for inconsistancies in the belts themselves ? Not that anyone wants to destroy a new belt but it is a major variable here I think . I gather the shafts are hollow , has the wall thickness been compared between some of the broken shafts ? The most stress your driveline components will see is when a spinning track meets hard traction . Deep powder loads definately loads the drivetrain up but it is a smooth even loading IMO . There is a reason for mountain sleds having lower gearing . Has anyone thought of trying to get realtime video somehow of the drivetrain while in real world riding conditions ? Not easy I know but I have read of the flexing of the jackshaft putting stuff out of alignment , it would be a huge asset if one could actually see this stuff happening .

 

My dealer is one of the best in the West. They know what they are dong and do ti well. Multiple accolades. I have no issue with their setup ability and go over everything myself to be sure. Never had an issue with dealer prep!

I have owned and raced several Cats throughout my life. Did a lot of my own clutching. Was always able to clutch out heat, increase efficiency, win races. I ride the back country and ride hard. Have NEVER blown a belt in my life!!!!!!!!

No matter what I look at, no matter the tricks I apply to this sled, the heat is ALWAYS there and is at unacceptable levels. There is far, far more going on with clutching and alignment that even Cat itself is currently trying to figure out.

I just want my sled fixed and fixed right! Get the clutching, shaft, case issues figured out and it would be a fantastic sled.

 

I bought the latest, greatest, bestest sled in the world last year! I am still waiting for it. They shipped me a ringer!

 

But there always that Apex of your you could go back to :thumbsup:

 

I wonder if cat just doesn't have poor quality control.....

 

So are all the "Turbo fixes" done yet? Kind of quieted down a little bit on updates. Thanks for all the time you've been putting into this by the way.

 

i have been dealing with different cutter to make them up now, i have someone locked in on a price and i'm in line for them to be made up, i had to weed out the riff raft companys to keep the price down.

So at this point, i'm in line at the cutters to make them up beautiful.

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Frank

 

another heat issue delt with

This is the muffler and the add ons to stop heat from escaping, i don't have pictures of the other 3 bad spots around the brackets that have been delt with like this fill in piece, my phone is burnning up until tomorrow. but you get the idea from this one prototype cover, all the brackets have gotten the same treatment, all prototypes done and ready for the cutters.

I am very into detail on all this heat issue, I will not miss anything, these turbo's sleds will be so cold they might not know how to run and the belts/clutches will not know what to do when being this cold:fistpump2: oh, i know what will happen, the freaking belts will last for 10k miles the way they are surpose to, watch out cat!! the turbo guys might not need a belt for years:fistpump2:
I have a friend coming over right now with another picture phone, will post other pictures

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