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Doo comes out with a 850, then Poo comes out with an 850. Doo comes out with step panel ergos and Polaris follows suit with the new Matryx. Doo comes out with a very torquey for it's class square designed 600 and Poo responds with their own square design 600 class sled. At least they bumped it up 50cc to make it a little different. When is Polaris going to take the lead on something? Cat at least made a bold move in the mountain segment with it's mono-rail skid and again in the youth market with the first modern one-lunger we've seen in quite some time. Other than a fancy gauge and maybe the belt drive on the RMK has Polaris introduced anything new to the industry in recent memory? The EVO is cool but it's a parts bin special. About the only thing they've been leading in lately is new model intro fiascos...
 

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They have released enough to remain #2 in new sleds sales, with increasing market share. Can’t say the mono rail or blast did that
 

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They have released enough to remain #2 in new sleds sales, with increasing market share. Can’t say the mono rail or blast did that
This comment and any similar posts are missing the point of the OPs question entirely. Ford sells a billion cars, but they rarely win anything. This is about innovation, not marketshare. They don't go hand in hand.
 

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This comment and any similar posts are missing the point of the OPs question entirely. Ford sells a billion cars, but they rarely win anything. This is about innovation, not marketshare. They don't go hand in hand.
And what has cat won? Pretty sure the “race” that EVERY business is concerned about is the sales race. They are in it to make a profit. Coming from the innovation standpoint...careful in a glass house when the cat chassis is from 2012 and older and they now pay BRP a royalty for every one they sell lmao
 

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Here's a very simple answer ... at least as of the last 5 years. Polaris has offered the #1 snow check program in the industry, allowing customers to pick & choose what they want. Polaris clearly listens to the public, and delivers what snowmobile enthusiasts want. They have improved on the rider forward design, to the point of being the best riding chassis out there.
 

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When is Polaris going to lead for a change?

Polaris & Cat usually have the lead for threads being discussed on here......
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for all the leading skidoo is doing, maybe they should try adding more than two colors to choose from for some of their popular sleds


Innovating for the sake of innovating is pointless if it doesn't drive sales
 

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Here's a very simple answer ... at least as of the last 5 years. Polaris has offered the #1 snow check program in the industry, allowing customers to pick & choose what they want. Polaris clearly listens to the public, and delivers what snowmobile enthusiasts want. They have improved on the rider forward design, to the point of being the best riding chassis out there.
Being able to choose from a rainbow of colors is cool and all but that ain't exactly new or industry changing tech.
 

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They have done many firsts in the mountain segment that the others are still trying to catch up. First narrow seat and tunnel so you don't feel like your straddling a hourse. First mountains sled to weigh sub 430lbs dry. Frist belt drive stock. 1st effortless sled to tip in a curve a side hill and the ability to get up on top of the snow super quick and easy. 1st guage with ride command, GPS mapping and bluetooth. Now they are the first with the large 7" touch screen. So they haven't followed with everything.
 

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Fairly safe to say Doo's innovation has been driving sales in the right direction for some time and I'm sure that Poo following up with similar introductions, improvements and changes to their lineup has likely been just as good for sales on their end.

It seems the latest changes/updates have levelled the playing field to the point where more riders are considering both brands now more then ever and choice is a good thing. The 650 has a really good chance of bringing new riders to the brand. Poo will have a very tough time taking over #1 without a four stroke offering but that could mean they are satisfied with that position as long as they are profitable.

As far as snowmobile technology goes, how much real innovation is left on the table? New motors, tweaked chassis', cool gauges, these are things that are just providing incremental improvements each year. It's possible we have seen the end of true game changing tech in the sport.
 

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And what has cat won? Pretty sure the “race” that EVERY business is concerned about is the sales race. They are in it to make a profit. Coming from the innovation standpoint...careful in a glass house when the cat chassis is from 2012 and older and they now pay BRP a royalty for every one they sell lmao
Although the cat chassis is dated, compared to the other newer designs it’s not like the others are leaps ahead as far as ride quality. And the cats are still some of the nicest looking sleds on the snow.
 

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As far as snowmobile technology goes, how much real innovation is left on the table? New motors, tweaked chassis', cool gauges, these are things that are just providing incremental improvements each year. It's possible we have seen the end of true game changing tech in the sport.
The one thing people keep hearing about is electronic shocks - which aren't necessarily new, but all the way around would be. But I do agree with ya 100% .. how much real innovation is left to be had?
 

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The last bold move Polaris made was the baler and that’s fading fast into sno-mo history. Doo is breaking trail with innovative tech like direct injection, SHOT, & a factory 2-stroke turbo. Cat is trying to claw it’s way out of the hole with bold moves like the Blast, monorail, & a factory 200 HP sled. Polaris seems content to just sit in the middle and play follow the leader.
 

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The last bold move Polaris made was the baler and that’s fading fast into sno-mo history. Doo is breaking trail with innovative tech like direct injection, SHOT, & a factory 2-stroke turbo. Cat is trying to claw it’s way out of the hole with bold moves like the Blast, monorail, & a factory 200 HP sled. Polaris seems content to just sit in the middle and play follow the leader.
When you see people posting their new Matrix on Dootalk people are noticeing Polaris for sure. Dootalk memebers are the most loyal to Ski-doo as anyone I have seen to any brand. I sold 2 2019 ProRMK 850's this year and both buyers have or had Ski-doo's as their sled last year.
 

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The last bold move Polaris made was the baler and that’s fading fast into sno-mo history. Doo is breaking trail with innovative tech like direct injection, SHOT, & a factory 2-stroke turbo. Cat is trying to claw it’s way out of the hole with bold moves like the Blast, monorail, & a factory 200 HP sled. Polaris seems content to just sit in the middle and play follow the leader.
Did that mean company from Roseau hurt your feelings? Why the level of (as Amstech / Stinki likes to say) butthurt?
 
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