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Polaris had me for ten years until they thought changing stickers year after year meant they could keep calling it a new sled. Cat had me for the next ten until the twin spar. Nothing more embarrassing than being on a 600 that only does 70mph and uses twice the gas of every other sled in the group. Ski Doo had me for the next ten. Nothing bad to say. Tried the new Polaris XC 850 this season and all I can say is wow. Bad on gas and oil, but if that is the price of a smile the whole ride, I’ll gladly pay it. All manufacturers stumble but I’d hate to see any go under.
I had a 500 and it ran 85 mph on GPS. Your 600 had some serious issues! I ride with a guy with an 011 600 and he can do over 90 all day long. Most comfortable sled I ever had! Just not great to look at but when you are riding, who cares?
 

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How can anyone say that the Twin Spar 600 only does 70 mph? Rider must have been towing some broken down Polaris and weighed himself 300 lbs. seriously some of you Cat haters are fuckin retards. Over 85 mph all day long in any kind of shit trail and comfortable while doing it. pushing a few inches of snow maybe only 80? American Snowmobiler had an old 2008 600 and here’s their results.
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Polaris had me for ten years until they thought changing stickers year after year meant they could keep calling it a new sled. Cat had me for the next ten until the twin spar. Nothing more embarrassing than being on a 600 that only does 70mph and uses twice the gas of every other sled in the group. Ski Doo had me for the next ten. Nothing bad to say. Tried the new Polaris XC 850 this season and all I can say is wow. Bad on gas and oil, but if that is the price of a smile the whole ride, I’ll gladly pay it. All manufacturers stumble but I’d hate to see any go under.
Thought many were saying that the 850 was pretty good on gas? What are you seeing for MPG with it?
 

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FYI I am not a Cat hater. Loved them for ten years. ZR600 EFI loved it, F5 loved it, F6EFI loved it, F6 Sno Pro nice ride but terrible top end and mpg. Decided to try an ETEC.
My XC850 Averaged 10 mpg, but a very fun 10mpg.
 

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FYI I am not a Cat hater. Loved them for ten years. ZR600 EFI loved it, F5 loved it, F6EFI loved it, F6 Sno Pro nice ride but terrible top end and mpg. Decided to try an ETEC.
My XC850 Averaged 10 mpg, but a very fun 10mpg.
The 2020 polaris 850 tune was messed up and caused bad oil/fuel consumtion. They have an update that fixes it came out end of last season
 

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BRP Wins Lawsuit; Injunction Halts Sale Of Cat Sleds In Canada
June 15, 2020 By John Prusak
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A ruling in a long-standing legal dispute between Ski-Doo’s parent company BRP and Arctic Cat over allegations of patent infringement was announced today in Canada — with some startling results.
According to the press release issued by BRP this afternoon, the Federal Court of Canada found that Arctic Cat did infringe on Ski-Doo’s frame patent when it came out with the ProCross/ProClimb chassis starting in 2012, as well as designs previous to that.
As a part of the ruling, according to the press release, the Court, “issued a permanent injunction ordering Arctic Cat and its Canadian dealers to stop the sale, use and distribution of any snowmobile which would infringe BRP’s frame patent.” Considering the ProCross subframe is found beneath pretty much every full-sized snowmobile that Arctic Cat builds, that’s pretty impactful.
Arctic Cat also builds the vast majority of Yamaha’s snowmobiles based on that same chassis. No word yet on if and how that will work into the equation.
The ruling also calls on Arctic Cat to pay BRP a royalty of $135 in Canadian dollars for every snowmobile built that infringes on the patent since model year 2008. The 2008 timing is picked because the earliest versions of what turned into the ProCross chassis were found on race sleds and the Sno Pro 500, which pre-dated the ProCross.
Three years ago, the Federal Court of Canada ruled in Arctic Cat’s favor on a very similar lawsuit. Here’s a link to that story.
Arctic Cat’s parent company Textron replied moments ago with this statement: “Arctic Cat Inc. respectfully disagrees with the court’s ruling. We will continue to provide service and support to our Canadian dealers and customers as we pursue further legal recourse in this matter, including appeals of the court’s decision and of any injunctions issued against the continued sale of our products in Canada. The ruling has no impact on sales through our U.S. dealers, distributors or retail outlets. We will have no further comment on this matter at this time.”
Lawsuits between the snowmobile factories is not uncommon — and often they are settled through negotiations where one piece of exclusive technology will be “traded” in exchange for the dismissal of a lawsuit based on a different piece of technology. A ruling this strong, though, is unusual. With appeals likely and negotiations still a possibility, it’s highly unlikely that the final chapter on this story has been written, but today’s ruling on its face is shocking.
This story just broke and we’re still trying to dig in for details, but for now here’s the full press release from BRP. Check back here for updates as we learn more.
BRP Wins Lawsuit Against Arctic Cat in Canada
  • The Federal Court of Canada handed BRP an important victory against its competitor Arctic Cat regarding BRP’s frame patent, which was at the heart of the Ski-Doo REV revolution;
  • The Federal Court of Canada issued a permanent injunction prohibiting the sale, use and distribution of all Arctic Cat snowmobiles in Canada that infringe BRP’s Canadian patent; The effective date of the permanent injunction is set for July 6, 2020;
  • The Court also ordered Arctic Cat to pay BRP a royalty of CA$135 per unit that infringes the frame patent since MY2008.
VALCOURT, Quebec, June 15, 2020 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) — BRP (TSX: DOO; NASDAQ: DOOO) announced today that the Federal Court of Canada has rendered a decision favorable to BRP in a lawsuit launched in December 2011 against Arctic Cat, where BRP argued that Arctic Cat infringed certain of its patents related to BRP’s revolutionary Ski-Doo REV snowmobiles.
Snowmobile enthusiasts will remember the launch of the Ski-Doo REV in 2002, which completely revolutionized the rider experience with its aggressive, sporty forward positioning of the driver and strong, lightweight frame.
“I couldn’t be more pleased with the decision of the Federal Court of Canada,” said Martin Langelier, Senior Vice President, General Counsel & Public Affairs at BRP. “Innovation is part of our DNA and today our ingenuity, which makes our company and products unique, is recognized and protected against intellectual property violation. The REV platform was and is still a game-changer in the snowmobiling industry and to have it protected in Canada is an important win,” concluded Langelier.
The Federal Court of Canada issued a permanent injunction ordering Arctic Cat and its Canadian dealers to stop the sale, use and distribution of any snowmobile which would infringe BRP’s frame patent. It also ordered Arctic Cat to pay BRP a royalty of CA$135 per unit that infringes the frame patent since MY2008.
The effective date of the permanent injunction is set for July 6, 2020.

BRP Wins Lawsuit; Injunction Halts Sale Of Cat Sleds In Canada
 

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Wow that's huge. So I put an auction up for my 2020 with zero miles on it?

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I wonder why Ski-Doo waited so long. People were talking about the similarities between the two frames when the Pro-Cross first appeared.
 

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My 900 ace will do that.
Hope you're not bragging 😂
And the 900 ACE weighs less than the F-Tank. We rode with a guy with 2007 F8 and it was a dog, and would get spanked by a 2008 TNT 500SS. I know that with some tuning the F8 would perform better, but off of the showroom floor it should have performed a lot better. Sorry but 2007 to 2011 were DARK years for Arctic Cat.
 

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And the 900 ACE weighs less than the F-Tank. We rode with a guy with 2007 F8 and it was a dog, and would get spanked by a 2008 TNT 500SS. I know that with some tuning the F8 would perform better, but off of the showroom floor it should have performed a lot better. Sorry but 2007 to 2011 were DARK years for Arctic Cat.
Oh how this stings ... because it's TRUE!!! I remember when my former Cat dealer sold me on the 2007 F8, and how he was told the pre-production sleds were running right with the F7's. What a disappointment when I lined up with buddies thinking I had another F7 type of lake runner. NOT!!!! I even spent the extra for the "Whoop Ass Kit" from Black Magic. It sure made the sled sound cocky, but it was still a pooch. Maybe if Cat had dropped the H.O. in from the get-go, things would have gone a little differently .... I dunno. But I agree the 2007-2009 models were a major disappointment.
 
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