[sleepybrew]

all it takes is once. as i said, your life may depend on it

 

[tomang07]

So the ice ripper has the small studs in the lug ? does that have the same traction as a trinational stud ? I would think not as much ??

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They are better than nothing, but IMO they aren't nearly as good as traditional studs.

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[too slow]

Can't tell you how many time one us in our group has missed a groomer, lucky all had studs and remained in control to either stop or be able to safely ditch the sled. The one time i rode with a guy in the group he claimed studs were a waste of time and funds needed to support his beer habit. Well, about midway through our bag trip we came to a obscure 4 way intersection with our lead guy locking his sled up. All of stop safely except tail end charlie with no studs and he was locked up sliding right at us. By some luck his sled slid up over the trails snowbank and flipped missing all of us. We just watched in disbelief and laughter. Needless to say he never rode with us again.

 

[1/4miledave]

I like my ice ripper track , has all the stopping I need without the hassle of conventional studs. 2014 switchback

My 2016 Grand Touring does not have studs, back in 2016 Ski Doo did not offer that model with the ice ripper track. I should go with the igrip studs or something similar or change the track

 

[Powa]

So the ice ripper has the small studs in the lug ? does that have the same traction as a trinational stud ? I would think not as much ??

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Better than non studded, but honestly it's not the same. From my experience I'd say these are about 20% better than no studs.

 

[Kitkat0981]

Nice video and proud member of FCMQ myself, but this test is extreme, we don’t ride on bare is all the time but I agree a sharp icy corner and your eating bark.

but these new tracks that have the little studs on the lugs them self, any good? Like the Camso Ice Cobra 1.6... ? Or ice attack XT

 

[slimjim2525]

Ran studs for a long time, until I was making a green snow cone in Quebec 50 miles from anything. Not fun. Now I run studless and don't miss them. If you need studs to slow down enough for a corner or you're in the trees, then perhaps you're running to hard.

 

[Kitkat0981]

Ha ha ha good one slimjim

im on the fence, not sure if I will or not stud. I don’t drive aggressively and just starting back from a 14years severance, so...

 

[sael]

I trail ride only and have never ridden without some form of track traction product. My 2 cents.

 

[one ton fun]

Ran studs for a long time, until I was making a green snow cone in Quebec 50 miles from anything. Not fun. Now I run studless and don't miss them. If you need studs to slow down enough for a corner or you're in the trees, then perhaps you're running to hard.

Ditto. Tossed one through my cooler in Quebec. That was 15 years and 15,000 miles ago and I haven't run studs since.

There are times I miss them, but for most of the season I don't need them.

 

[Boom2]

Nice video and proud member of FCMQ myself, but this test is extreme, we don’t ride on bare is all the time but I agree a sharp icy corner and your eating bark.

but these new tracks that have the little studs on the lugs them self, any good? Like the Camso Ice Cobra 1.6... ? Or ice attack XT

I’m in Quebec also. I agree in general nobody runs on glare ice. On the other hand I’ve got up in the spring after a very cold night to have to ride on a totally frozen freshly groomed sheet of ice. These mornings without ice scratchers you wait till the sun comes out and temps rise to soften things up and then you leave, it’s that icy. I will not ride without studs. Pre studded and Gripper type work but not anything like real studs. For the guy that punctured his heat exchanger. It’s better than a punctured lung.

 

[Kitkat0981]

Si what would be a good middle ground? I see most of the patters are minimum 3 studs per row. i was looking at woodys.

 

[Boom2]

Si what would be a good middle ground? I see most of the patters are minimum 3 studs per row. i was looking at woodys.

What is it 600 or 800? With a 600 you would get away with 2 per bar. Track length will dictate how many per bar also. If your basically studding for safety and control then the longer the track the fewer per bar. So for example an 800 146 I’d go 3 per bar.

 

[6000RXC]

Ran studs for a long time, until I was making a green snow cone in Quebec 50 miles from anything. Not fun. Now I run studless and don't miss them. If you need studs to slow down enough for a corner or you're in the trees, then perhaps you're running to hard.

I've seen people falling down down on ice while walking; no speed involved. I've seen people on snowmobiles start swapping ends on a patch of ice at walking speeds; no speed involved. I've seen people run out of traction while climbing icy hills and have their sled turn into a backwards toboggan. The same applies when going down a hill (start at whatever speed you want, you'll be flying when you reach the bottom) Nobody wants to puncture a heat exchanger, but I'll take that over a wheelchair or a funeral any day... Free country, but I won't ride without them

 

[Powa]

Ran studs for a long time, until I was making a green snow cone in Quebec 50 miles from anything. Not fun. Now I run studless and don't miss them. If you need studs to slow down enough for a corner or you're in the trees, then perhaps you're running to hard.

What about ice? My wife and kids ride slow we have many very steep up and down hill sections that get stripped bare from throttle jockeys and wind. If you're very experienced you can negotiate okay. You need to be a snocrosser up the hills and a granny down the hills and sometimes move to the side to find snow for traction. Why would I want my wife and kids to ride that way? You can get buy without studs, but why would you want to? Extra safety plus braking plus brutal acceleration. If you're busting your heat exchanger your doing it wrong.

I will agree though. If you need studs to not hit random shit on an average trail ride, you've got other problems that need to be addressed.

 

[EvilBird]

No comparison when you are in an icey corner or climbing an icey hill let alone the braking benefits.

Hate what they do to the pavement and trailer but I will always stud my track.

 

[too slow]

Ran studs for a long time, until I was making a green snow cone in Quebec 50 miles from anything. Not fun. Now I run studless and don't miss them. If you need studs to slow down enough for a corner or you're in the trees, then perhaps you're running to hard.

I've run studs since the 80's when actually they were just steel racing pick's or some sort of steel claw. Never had an issue on any liquid cooled sled if they were installed properly using the necessary protectors. Some guys were their own worse enemy using studs way too long for the lug size, or not using the correct size tunnel protectors.
As far as those pre-studded tracks like the ice ripper, their better than nothing on glare ice where they probably perform best. I tried a sled with a track like it on the trail with packed snow...really couldn't see much difference if it wasn't studded, but on bare icy corners there was more side grip.

 

[wjt]

As much as I wanted to keep the 137 / 1.6 washout studs, after reviewing all the feedback and based on my personal riding style, looks like a row down the center is upcoming.

What brand and who's studs ? I have Woody's on one sled and Mack's on the wife's. Thanks Again, GREAT INPUT From ALL !! 👊 👍

 

[sleepybrew]

i use woody's megabites. i also use square backers which are a pain in the ass but i line them up perfect. when you look after if they are turned , they are loose.

 

[Rodeo Rider]

My wife and I have both had incidents related to non-studded sleds in our long sledding careers. We would never own a sled that wasn't studded. Not even a chance. One single icy corner (common) and you become a believer. Not to mention braking on hardpack, etc etc etc. Of course its not as necessary if you are putt putt driver with no real excitement or capacity for driving your sled.

Safety safety safety. Imo studs are a no-brainer. I also have come upon riders with unstudded tracks...and they'd be frozen, stopped, spinning on the crest of a road crossing.

Spinning the track, and sweeping whatever snow was ON the trail off the trail. Revealing "boiler plate" underneath. I have stopped a few times, matter of fact I drove a girls sled in that same situation for her.

I had to back down the incline and show her the proper "approach" tactic you need when there's ice underneath a small amount of powder. I find that half the folks who ride unstudded tracks..don't know HOW to ride an un-studded track properly.

This is a no-brainer. I'm not big on the ice ripper. I'm too old school maybe. And I generally upgrade every few years so I'm not as concerned with track "longevity".