The creation of Boost

SGPopp said:

Yes, it's no secret that Burandt is a bit of a test bed for Polaris. I'm sure he helped develop the belt drive and Khaos skid and probably countless other innovations. Not saying he invented them or came up with the ideas, he's just a hell of a test platform with his riding ability and the amount of time he spends on the snow.

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Absolutely. I'm sure he's already on the next chassis.

NEIASleddr said:

Chris Burandt already has a turbo on the 9R, said it was a Carl's 900 with a turbo...Judging by how Polaris Developed the 9R, I have a feeling that turbo 900 was built in Roseau.

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It’s only a matter of time before they turbo the 9r. Competition isn’t upping the ante currently. 850 n/a will be phased out to the 9r in 2-3 yrs.

just-pinch-it said:

It’s only a matter of time before they turbo the 9r. Competition isn’t upping the ante currently. 850 n/a will be phased out to the 9r in 2-3 yrs.

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Agree entirely, now that they've pioneered the factory turbo, controls, wastegate etc, that should carryover to the 9R engine. Also, the 9R in flatlander platforms is probably a better choice than the turbo, for simplicity and production costs, while still having similar performance and probably similar premium price point.

SGPopp said:

Yes, it's no secret that Burandt is a bit of a test bed for Polaris. I'm sure he helped develop the belt drive and Khaos skid and probably countless other innovations. Not saying he invented them or came up with the ideas, he's just a hell of a test platform with his riding ability and the amount of time he spends on the snow.

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Chris rode the factory boost under Axys body for years doing R&D for Polaris.

1fastpolaris said:

Chris rode the factory boost under Axys body for years doing R&D for Polaris.

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Yeah, I would have assumed. It's easy to hide things under the hood when there isn't actually a hood anymore.

just-pinch-it said:

It’s only a matter of time before they turbo the 9r. Competition isn’t upping the ante currently. 850 n/a will be phased out to the 9r in 2-3 yrs.

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I think you'll still see three different options because each motor fits a specific market niche. For most trail riders the 850 is more than enough. The Boost offers more for those looking for a hypersled or ride at elevation. The 9R is for the technical rider, either the serious boondocker or an off trail UP sled. Remember, the 9R comes at a price premium similar to the Boost because of all the additional motor work. I'd guess 90% of trail riders can't benefit from the responsiveness, especially for the price, and 75% of mountain riders would rather have a Boost.

850 is definitely plenty for the trails lol. But...if I could have ordered a 9R in an XCR, I would have 😁

letsirkdor said:

850 is definitely plenty for the trails lol. But...if I could have ordered a 9R in an XCR, I would have 😁

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Had a vision of 2024 SnoCheck only 9R XCR SP in new Gen III Matryx semi-bayler with narrower in-tunnel Pro-XC skid

SGPopp said:

I think you'll still see three different options because each motor fits a specific market niche. For most trail riders the 850 is more than enough. The Boost offers more for those looking for a hypersled or ride at elevation. The 9R is for the technical rider, either the serious boondocker or an off trail UP sled. Remember, the 9R comes at a price premium similar to the Boost because of all the additional motor work. I'd guess 90% of trail riders can't benefit from the responsiveness, especially for the price, and 75% of mountain riders would rather have a Boost.

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Not that much difference between 850 and 9R. Same number of parts, wire harness, fueling, air box, and I’ll guess same pipe and can. Outside the 1st year or 2, not sure how many will pay a premium for the 9R. Weird times right now, they probably can get away charging a premium for a 9R currently to help keep down the numbers to match production ability d/t supply chain issues.

just-pinch-it said:

Not that much difference between 850 and 9R. Same number of parts, wire harness, fueling, air box, and I’ll guess same pipe and can. Outside the 1st year or 2, not sure how many will pay a premium for the 9R. Weird times right now, they probably can get away charging a premium for a 9R currently to help keep down the numbers to match production ability d/t supply chain issues.

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I am thinking price increase because of the machine work done to the cases, cylinders and flywheel. There's a cost to this and likely justifies the premium pricing. The OEM's build premium pricing in everything to make margin and I'm fine with that. They need to make money. That's why an 850 is more than a 650. Those two engines are virtually identical with the exception of only a few parts.

The boost filled a need for power at elevation and it has a lot of extra parts to justify a premium price. In todays world in snowmobiling, I can’t see more then two n/a engine sizes available. They dropped the 800 pretty quick, they could have charged a premium for the 850. The more parts made the same that can be used across the line, makes parts cost less d/t volume and less part inventory. If the 900 works out in the mountains this year, I see the 9 in a flat land model or 2 next year at a premium, and if that works out, the 850 will be gone in 1-2yrs. Then they may take the premium off for the 900 or that premium price becomes the new price point. We’ll see.

Who knows what will happen but, 9R stays a premium option in assault, xcr and vr1. 850 goes to 900 but without the goodie’s. The boost also goes 9R but again only in the premium sleds. Snow check only. One set of cylinders, common pistons and cranks.

Sledtuner360 said:

Who knows what will happen but, 9R stays a premium option in assault, xcr and vr1. 850 goes to 900 but without the goodie’s. The boost also goes 9R but again only in the premium sleds. Snow check only. One set of cylinders, common pistons and cranks.

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Something along these lines make a lot of sense. Premium sleds with an additional premium engine choice with Snow Check exclusivity. I still don't see them boosting the 9R unless it just becomes a 900 without all the CNC machining and lightweight stuff.

Sledtuner360 said:

Who knows what will happen but, 9R stays a premium option in assault, xcr and vr1. 850 goes to 900 but without the goodie’s. The boost also goes 9R but again only in the premium sleds. Snow check only. One set of cylinders, common pistons and cranks.

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Remember the 850 was designed from the ground up and the beginning to be a boost engine.

won't be long when all this gets taken away. government will step in at some time and put a stop to this more power from the mfg. it happened in 1970. it happened with three wheelers. to many fatal's on boosted trail sleds and it will end. nobody needs a 200+ h.p. trail sled. what happens is each company trying to one up each other. this is why we have $25,000 sleds. it will all come crashing down. i bet in 10 years or sooner snowmobiling will be a thing of the past? all o.e.m.'s go out of business or just stop making sleds. some down 12% this year another year or so of this and kiss it good by.

northstarrick said:

won't be long when all this gets taken away. government will step in at some time and put a stop to this more power from the mfg. it happened in 1970. it happened with three wheelers. to many fatal's on boosted trail sleds and it will end. nobody needs a 200+ h.p. trail sled. what happens is each company trying to one up each other. this is why we have $25,000 sleds. it will all come crashing down. i bet in 10 years or sooner snowmobiling will be a thing of the past? all o.e.m.'s go out of business or just stop making sleds. some down 12% this year another year or so of this and kiss it good by.

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You can't use all of the power a 200+ turbo sled puts out in the trails. Mountains are a different story but even Burandt says, its not the right tool all the time or even most of the time. Certain conditions and areas they will pick the light weight naturally aspirated sled.

In this sport if you make it they will buy it (stupid power/ stupid prices) it’s just what people do with that power in the wrong place and poor judgement with it !

northstarrick said:

won't be long when all this gets taken away. government will step in at some time and put a stop to this more power from the mfg. it happened in 1970. it happened with three wheelers. to many fatal's on boosted trail sleds and it will end. nobody needs a 200+ h.p. trail sled. what happens is each company trying to one up each other. this is why we have $25,000 sleds. it will all come crashing down. i bet in 10 years or sooner snowmobiling will be a thing of the past? all o.e.m.'s go out of business or just stop making sleds. some down 12% this year another year or so of this and kiss it good by.

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If this green movement continues, all power sports industries will be in trouble. People won’t be allowed to drive around without a purpose, joy riding, burning fossil fuels, and currently that includes electric powered vehicles, because they pollute too.

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