snell i believe is higher stnadard

 

Snell includes frontal impact and dot does not.

That is why the modulars are not snell certified

Snell is a MUCH higher standard

 

read the article (caution: long) you may come away with a different point of view.

 

Snell Memorial Foundation

 

There are NO sanctioned racing bodies which don't require a Snell helmet, think they may Know something?

Don

 

have you ever seen a helmet that is Snell certified but NOT dot certified? NO but you have seen many many helmets that are DOT but not Snell. I wonder whyyy?

 

Snell it without a doubt a better helmet. There is a reason that every major form of motorsports and almost every minor one requires a Snell M2000 or M2005 rating for the helmets. The FIA requires even a higher rating for their helmets in F1.

 

well, you got to remember DOT helmets can even be the 1/2-3/4 helmets seen on midlife crisis peeps.


as stated, snell rates front

 

well, i read it and i'll say that i learned a ton. my assumption, along with many others, is that snell certified helmets were simply and always better. now, after seeing how helmets are tested and how they function, i'm inclined to disagree with that idea. that article is EXTREMELY enlightening and my sincere thanks go out to you for posting it. sometimes we get stuck on one train of thought, often without any evidence to support it.

 

Snell approved helmets hands down over just the dot approved,here are the helmets I use for sledding.Both helmets are Arai model RX7-RR Snell/Dot approved.

 

Snell is a tougher standard than DOT. What really more important than a Snell rating is how the helmet fits.
A Snell helmet that doesnt fit properly wont protect you as well as a DOT helmet that does fit.
A Snell rating is something thats important, but IMO there are other factors to consider when selecting a helmet.

 

Well I've decided my next helmet will NOT be SNELL approved. I'm going with the DOT based helmets for my brain that I've spent 40K in school on. If I'm going to hit something so hard to have a SNELL approved helmet I think i'm going to have to worry about more things than my head.

 

DOT helmets are tested for ONE impact during an accident, SNELL helmets are tested for multiple impacts during an accident. what happens is the DOT helmet absorbs ALL the impact from one hit in the foam leaving nothing left for the remainder of your tumble, whereas the snell will keep absorbing impacts for a short time.

 

I thank you very much for the article. I just read the entire thing. I must say it's eye opening to say the least. I suggest everyone read before making there .02 comments.
I'm still taking it all in to say the least. More than likely though, it'll be a DOT for me.

 

Yes, very enlightening. I was also under the impression that Snell was way better than DOT.

This article was was informative and, for me, opinion changing.

It seems that although the Snell is a tougher standard, it doesn't equate to better protection. Neither requirement relates to G forces - the most important measurement in protecting your noggin.

What I took away is this - the DOT helmet will absorb once. The Snell helmet must absorb twice.

On the other hand - one still needs to be careful. DOT helmets are 'self certified'. Do these manufacurers actually test the effectiveness of their lids? Whereas, the Snell helmet are not self certified. Would one think that Snell MAY be a little lenient so they can collect their $.70 royalty for that sticker?

Oh yeah - to the person that said ALL racing sanction bodies require Snell approved buckets - no so. READ the article.

 

Snell includes frontal impact and dot does not.

Snell is a MUCH higher standard[/b]

point 1: wrong

point 2: Not higher or lower - just different

 

Yes, very enlightening. I was also under the impression that Snell was way better than DOT.

This article was was informative and, for me, opinion changing.

It seems that although the Snell is a tougher standard, it doesn't equate to better protection. Neither requirement relates to G forces - the most important measurement in protecting your noggin.

What I took away is this - the DOT helmet will absorb once. The Snell helmet must absorb twice.

On the other hand - one still needs to be careful. DOT helmets are 'self certified'. Do these manufacurers actually test the effectiveness of their lids? Whereas, the Snell helmet are not self certified. Would one think that Snell MAY be a little lenient so they can collect their $.70 royalty for that sticker?

Oh yeah - to the person that said ALL racing sanction bodies require Snell approved buckets - no so. READ the article.[/b]

The article is mistaken, you cannot race with non-Snell helmets, all of our rulebooks state this very clearly.

Don

 

The article is mistaken, you cannot race with non-Snell helmets, all of our rulebooks state this very clearly.

Don[/b]

YOUR rulebooks Not ALL sanction bodies for all racing.

 

The article is mistaken, you cannot race with non-Snell helmets, all of our rulebooks state this very clearly.

Don[/b]

When you say all, you must be referring to snocross??????????


If you read the article, you would know that it is mainly written toward motorcycles.

"The AMA accepts DOT, ECE 22-05, BSI 6658 Type A or Snell M2000-rated helmets. That's for going 200 mph on a superbike at Daytona. The FIM, which sanctions MotoGP races all over the world, accepts any of the above standards but DOT. Why not DOT if DOT helmets are comparable to ECE helmets? Because the DOT is an American institution, and the FIM doesn't really do American. And because the DOT standard doesn't require any outside testing—just the manufacturers' word that their helmets pass. "

 

YOUR rulebooks Not ALL sanction bodies for all racing.[/b]

I'm not sure why you would dispute this, but for your information I don't write rulebooks, I buy them, ISR, NHRA, NDBA all state you must use Snell helmets, not my rules, I have been turned away when running my drag boat for not having the newest, also every santioned ISR race I've ever raced at checks, and you will not be allowed to race without a Snell helmet.
I just read the ISR book to see if there are any exceptions, there are none, even in the hotpits everyone MUST wear a Snell helmet.


Don

 

When you say all, you must be referring to snocross??????????
If you read the article, you would know that it is mainly written toward motorcycles.

"The AMA accepts DOT, ECE 22-05, BSI 6658 Type A or Snell M2000-rated helmets. That's for going 200 mph on a superbike at Daytona. The FIM, which sanctions MotoGP races all over the world, accepts any of the above standards but DOT. Why not DOT if DOT helmets are comparable to ECE helmets? Because the DOT is an American institution, and the FIM doesn't really do American. And because the DOT standard doesn't require any outside testing—just the manufacturers' word that their helmets pass. "[/b]

Snow cross is even more strict, your Snell helmet must be a minimum 75% or 144 square inches Blaze orange.

 

Interesting article and worth the read.

However even though it is "enlighting" I question if it's conclusions directly relate to the impacts you would most likely sustain in a SNOWMOBILE accident.

The main premise of the article is that "Flat surface impacts" represent the largest % of impacts from motorcycle accidents, and in that specific type of an impact a DOT certified (softer) helmet may be superior. I really question whether the assumptions that form the basis of this article translate into the impacts that a snowmobiler typically suffers in an accident. I think it is possible a snowmobiler is much more likely to suffer an impact that is "other than" a "Flat surface impact". We don't ride on flat/smooth pavement and are much more likely to impact something like a tree. In that type of accident I believe the article itself agrees the Snell specifications provide superior protection.

JMO.

 

I'm not sure why you would dispute this, but for your information I don't write rulebooks, I buy them, ISR, NHRA, NDBA all state you must use Snell helmets, not my rules, I have been turned away when running my drag boat for not having the newest, also every santioned ISR race I've ever raced at checks, and you will not be allowed to race without a Snell helmet.
I just read the ISR book to see if there are any exceptions, there are none, even in the hotpits everyone MUST wear a Snell helmet.
Don[/b]

AMA doesn't require Snell. So, making a blanket statement that ALL sanctioning bodies require them is not accurate.

"The AMA accepts DOT, ECE 22-05, BSI 6658 Type A or Snell M2000-rated helmets"

 

AMA doesn't require Snell. So, making a blanket statement that ALL sanctioning bodies require them is not accurate.

"The AMA accepts DOT, ECE 22-05, BSI 6658 Type A or Snell M2000-rated helmets"[/b]

Okay, just for you I contacted AMA, you CANNOT use only dot approved helmets, they allow 3 types which are all the same standard, US Snell M 2005,--United Nations 2205 P,--& Japanese JIS 8133:2
you may call them for yourself, at: 1 614 856 1900

Don

 

Interesting article and worth the read.

However even though it is "enlighting" I question if it's conclusions directly relate to the impacts you would most likely sustain in a SNOWMOBILE accident.

The main premise of the article is that "Flat surface impacts" represent the largest % of impacts from motorcycle accidents, and in that specific type of an impact a DOT certified (softer) helmet may be superior. I really question whether the assumptions that form the basis of this article translate into the impacts that a snowmobiler typically suffers in an accident. I think it is possible a snowmobiler is much more likely to suffer an impact that is "other than" a "Flat surface impact". We don't ride on flat/smooth pavement and are much more likely to impact something like a tree. In that type of accident I believe the article itself agrees the Snell specifications provide superior protection.

JMO.[/b]

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