they dart typically in softer snow when following a C&A ski which is the same width and is digging an aggressive rut but I don't find mine to be real bad and I've got 4600 miles on them. I run less toe out than that, out between 0 and 1/8. As far as carbides I ran shapers for 1 ride earlier this season before I yanked them because I didn't like how they made the ski perform, I ran 2700 miles on a set of Woody's 6" bars that I put on after killing the standard bars in 400 miles. For the last 1000 miles I have run a set of cheap riders choice 6"square bars because the woody's were out of stock and those are pretty good as well.

 

The slydogs on my girlfriends REV dart sometimes. I have 6" shaper bars on them. My C&A's dont dart nearly as much with the same runner.

 

i have two sets (sold one to a guy on this site)...they work good as long as you shim them, if you don't, they will dart...i had a quarter inch shim on my Apex...and it pretty much eliminated the dart.

 

I believe shimming them is the key here. You want to shim the skis so that the front of the carbide runner is slightly higher than the back of the carbide when the sled is parked on a flat surface. I also run my Slydogs TOED IN 1/8", as recommended by Ulmer Racing.

 

They dart just the same as anything else. The company isn't the best to deal with either. Their slogan says it all when it comes to parting you from your money.

 

I believe shimming them is the key here. You want to shim the skis so that the front of the carbide runner is slightly higher than the back of the carbide when the sled is parked on a flat surface. I also run my Slydogs TOED IN 1/8", as recommended by Ulmer Racing.[/b]

So where can you get these shims from?

Why would you toe them in, I thought toe in was bad?

 

I went with C&A ADX's with 8" magnum carbides and ive never had darting problems.

 

Im pretty sure every ski will dart at one time or another. no matter the snow condition! i have the really wide c&a Xt's and they dart really bad on hard snow. well i guess thats what you get when you have a really aggressive keel... :hmm:

 

So where can you get these shims from?

Why would you toe them in, I thought toe in was bad?[/b]

make the shims out of 1/8 or 3/16 plastic,loosen carbides and stuff under rear rubber behind spindle,you want the carbides flat on floor,very nice difference,,and shapers are not my favorite carbide,

 

make the shims out of 1/8 or 3/16 plastic,loosen carbides and stuff under rear rubber behind spindle,you want the carbides flat on floor,very nice difference,,and shapers are not my favorite carbide,[/b]

yeah, but how are they going to stay in there? I would think over bumps they will just work their way out since they are only in on one side.

 

yeah, but how are they going to stay in there? I would think over bumps they will just work their way out since they are only in on one side.[/b]

i have triple threats,usi, and i put them in with mount plate and tightened carbides,or if cant doo that,try some black ductape just to test it,(tape it to rear of rubber at bottom)first you need to get the sled on flat concrete and see if they need too be shimmed,,if your front of carbide wears real fast you need it,,,,KJ motorsports gave me the tip