I'm well aware of everything costing an arm and a leg these days but a gallon of Polaris VES Extreme is now at $70+tax. Ofta.
Polaris VES Extreme
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I understand that the Mfgs. and dealers tell and want you to run their oil but it does seems that almost everybody I ask says that it’s important to run CTEC Oil in CTECS….no ifs ands or buts…is this true? 🤷🏻
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Where are these specs listed lol. I think Lube Tech is the only one that know the exact specs.
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The chemist😂🤣
The C-Tec oil is very thin so if I had a C-tec I would run it for sure.
I’ll respond to the original post and say this... I really understand the manufacturers recommend that you use the oil they sell / label for good reasons , like it’s engineered for there motors let say, also to keep the uneducated or potentially owners buying something NOT meeting the requirements so you would think in order to not only protect the consumer but to also protect the manufacturers against undo claims in the warranty area they would make this SO important component to the machine very affordable.. I don’t want to here about what ya spent on your new sled and won’t spend 70$ a gallon on oil lecture. It should not cost that much... it’s an easy buck for the OEMs to charge so much for it. Polaris really does a neat little video on how the VES extreme is purposely engineered for the 850... so make it affordable so ya know people will be using it!
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On the oil bottles.."meets and exceeds" if in doubt contact the oil manufactures like we did, here call this number on just 1 non- oem oil: 1 800 242 0489
The US Government Magnuson/Moss act states very clearly that if any manufacture states you cannot use a non-OEM product which states on the non-OEM product(s) that it meets or exceeds OEM specs. then the manufacture must supply their product to you for free. Oil, Spark plugs, drive belts, etc. etc. and not just for snowmobiles but all things, cars, trucks, ATV's, SXS's, etc.
The only thing that gives me pause about aftermarket oils as far as polaris goes is the electronic oil pump and not so much the pump but how it is metered for thin oil. And potentially the size of the oil passages. As far as protection for a good quality oil that isn’t the part that gives me pause. With that being said I rarely carry extra oil klotz is availible all over around here so I just grow that in if the need be and I dont worry about it. I’m also add that we don’t get the cold that other areas do. It’s hardly ever below zero and not to often single digits.
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Just run Amsoil Interceptor instead of Extreme.
Interceptor? I wouldn't run it in my weed eater.
I think if more sled owners saw what that stuff does to the engines lower components, they choose another oil fast. Interceptor has very poor rust protection if you don't fog the engine.
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Correct, if the OEM said that, then they would have to provide free oil, so they do not say that for obvious reasons.
Klotz oil does not meet Polaris, doo, or Cats oil spec. Reason is the OEM’s have their own secret specs and Klotz does not know what those specs are. It’s as simple as Polaris might spec VES Gold to be gold in color so it has to meet that spec and Klotz does not. Klotz can put on the bottle they meet OEM spec but what OEM is that for?
This here explains it better: https://www.snowtechmagazine.com/snowmobile-oil-certifications/
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If I didnt run Polaris oil I would use either Interceptor or Mystic oil. I've had good results with both of them.
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Very good article. Same info as I've researched and posted. There will always be skeptics who think they know more than the manufacturer. If any oil that claimed to meet the supposed standards was okay, nobody would buy the expensive stuff and the manufacturer would simply put their label on the cheap stuff. This is just common sense.
I darn near earned a degree of some sort researching oils... there are many good choices. I have to say I was very impressed with what the Mystik JT4 full synthetic snowmobile oil and its content vs several without a doubt proven and expensive other brands! I have not used it yet myself. I’ve used amsoil interceptor for yrs also with no problems at all. Only observation with it was it did have exhaust valves gummed up more than I’d like to see but never a running problem due to it. I hear the VES Polaris oil really is hard on the the valves too.. many very safe choices but know the ratings snowmobile manufacturers require and your fine.
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I have been riding & owned dozens of sleds since 1967, many sled brands, I had 13 sleds at 1 time back in the 1970's & 80's, when my kids were still at home, not once have I ever used OEM oils, some oil brands I have used cost more than OEM.
I'd say use whatever you feel comfortable with.
One oil I would never use is Interceptor, Ross as some here know personally did most crankshaft repairs for many, many dealers for over 50 years, Interceptor was the 1 oil he said caused bearing failures more than all others combined. Again use whatever you like.
I'd say use whatever you feel comfortable with.
One oil I would never use is Interceptor, Ross as some here know personally did most crankshaft repairs for many, many dealers for over 50 years, Interceptor was the 1 oil he said caused bearing failures more than all others combined. Again use whatever you like.
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That's internet BS IMO. I've used VES oil in both my 2015 Pro-S 800 HO for 4700 miles and in my 2019 850 XC for 1800 miles. Never had to clean valves. My riding buddies have similar sleds and use VES. They also haven't had to clean their valves any don't have valve issues as well.
Some issue with the 850 valves isn’t that the valves themselves won’t move its that by not removing them on your terms when you do need to pull them they don’t want to come out due to the amount of build up above them. There doesn’t seem to be a universal truth to either stance I have seen them with lots of miles on them that were never out and I’ve seen them set codes etc at about 1000 miles . The only consistent is like I mentioned it just left in till needed to oull be prepared to fight with them
That’s truly wonderful your having great success with the oil, great to hear! I have nothing against the stuff. I just have also seen first hand a valve cleaning ceremony performed on a couple of newer sleds with some pretty thick build up with the VES... lots of variables possible.. oil volume? I have sleds with 8000 miles on one set of Hyfax too.. many don’t get that ?
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