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Would Polaris loyalists actually buy a 4S Poo if they ever came out with one? I kinda' doubt it would be a big seller for them personally due to weight and lack of the 'fun factor' their current owners rage about. Curious to see if they launch a Patriot 600 and drop the 800 HO for 2021.
It depends, will it have the sound and power of a 93 Fourtrax 300 like their last attempt at a 4s turbo?
 

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You couldn't possibly mean the Weber 4 stroke? The same Weber textron now owns? The same engine architecture that will power the next gen of cat 4 strokes?
Be a shame if thata what ya meant ?
Would Polaris loyalists actually buy a 4S Poo if they ever came out with one? I kinda' doubt it would be a big seller for them personally due to weight and lack of the 'fun factor' their current owners rage about. Curious to see if they launch a Patriot 600 and drop the 800 HO for 2021.
It depends, will it have the sound and power of a 93 Fourtrax 300 like their last attempt at a 4s turbo?
 

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Polaris needs to have an option like Skidoo to tunnel mount torsion spring and shock adjusters on xc/xcr. When the skid is all packed with snow its a pain in the ass to adjust. On the Doo you just reach back behind your feet. Back in the day Cat had the adjuster for the front skid shock on the handle bars. Also for the price we are paying they should come standard with 4 year warranties across the board all the time.
would also be nice to adjust the limiter straps quickly while riding, and this applies to Cat as well

warranty $, Poo seems to have built that into their 2020 pricing like Doo
 

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I don't see 600's being dropped, ever, but that's just me.
it's not just it being a 600 though... i'm a hair over 5', they've been pushing bigger is better for a few years now, this is a deterrent for smaller adult riders. i almost bought a brand new evo last year because of the size, even though i wanted something with the same forward seating setup for riding like mark's assault(but not something that has me basically standing while sitting like the assault does). luckily the dealer ended up with my rush while we were still deciding. i went through all the brands in my search, most are promoting the bigger longer tracks as their mains right now. mark's already considering a shorter track for next year as a snow check.
 

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it's not just it being a 600 though... i'm a hair over 5', they've been pushing bigger is better for a few years now, this is a deterrent for smaller adult riders. i almost bought a brand new evo last year because of the size, even though i wanted something with the same forward seating setup for riding like mark's assault(but not something that has me basically standing while sitting like the assault does). luckily the dealer ended up with my rush while we were still deciding. i went through all the brands in my search, most are promoting the bigger longer tracks as their mains right now. mark's already considering a shorter track for next year as a snow check.
sounds like the Blast with a 600 would be perfect for you and others the same size.

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Wait, wasn't it stated the blast basically uses a pro cross bulkhead with narrower a-arms, different front plastics and a 121 track? So basically the same as what an evo is to a full size indy? Same chassis, modified ergos?


it's not just it being a 600 though... i'm a hair over 5', they've been pushing bigger is better for a few years now, this is a deterrent for smaller adult riders. i almost bought a brand new evo last year because of the size, even though i wanted something with the same forward seating setup for riding like mark's assault(but not something that has me basically standing while sitting like the assault does). luckily the dealer ended up with my rush while we were still deciding. i went through all the brands in my search, most are promoting the bigger longer tracks as their mains right now. mark's already considering a shorter track for next year as a snow check.
sounds like the Blast with a 600 would be perfect for you and others the same size.

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sounds like the Blast with a 600 would be perfect for you and others the same size.

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Here's why a blast with a 600 is a dumb idea.
More money. By the time you put a 600 in and the added cost of putting on real clutches that can handle 125 hp, probably pretty close to zr6000 weight and price. If you want suspension that can support that speed, you have a zr6000. The blast is just a one cylinder procross.
 

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it's not just it being a 600 though... i'm a hair over 5', they've been pushing bigger is better for a few years now, this is a deterrent for smaller adult riders. i almost bought a brand new evo last year because of the size, even though i wanted something with the same forward seating setup for riding like mark's assault(but not something that has me basically standing while sitting like the assault does). luckily the dealer ended up with my rush while we were still deciding. i went through all the brands in my search, most are promoting the bigger longer tracks as their mains right now. mark's already considering a shorter track for next year as a snow check.

be interesting to see how you fit the blast
 

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Wait, wasn't it stated the blast basically uses a pro cross bulkhead with narrower a-arms, different front plastics and a 121 track? So basically the same as what an evo is to a full size indy? Same chassis, modified ergos?
pretty much, the evo (not the rmk one) is a pro-ride 550 fan that was made with limited more narrow handles/lower stance/wider skis setup.. that can be upgraded for another 2k to a full fan 550 with shocks/throttle etc making it a typical pro-ride indy for it's size/class. after looking over the blast... it costs more but doesn't have the option to upgrade, maybe that will come later. i'd really like to see one in person.
 

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pretty much, the evo (not the rmk one) is a pro-ride 550 fan that was made with limited more narrow handles/lower stance/wider skis setup.. that can be upgraded for another 2k to a full fan 550 with shocks/throttle etc making it a typical pro-ride indy for it's size/class. after looking over the blast... it costs more but doesn't have the option to upgrade, maybe that will come later. i'd really like to see one in person.

Bout all you'd need to upgrade on the blast might be shocks, if the stock ones fade on you.

Its already liquid cooled, efi, with electric start, reverse, etc
 

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pretty much, the evo (not the rmk one) is a pro-ride 550 fan that was made with limited more narrow handles/lower stance/wider skis setup.. that can be upgraded for another 2k to a full fan 550 with shocks/throttle etc making it a typical pro-ride indy for it's size/class. after looking over the blast... it costs more but doesn't have the option to upgrade, maybe that will come later. i'd really like to see one in person.
The wife ordered a Evo last year but never took delivery. Rider forward sleds don't fit her at all,one foot on the running board so no standing and sitting over the tank sucks. She went with a early chassis trailing arm low mile Indy and likes it.
That Cat will get a look once some start showing up or revisit the Evo in another year.
Now if you could order a Evo all powered up so not to toss new parts away as a option that would make the sale.
 

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The wife ordered a Evo last year but never took delivery. Rider forward sleds don't fit her at all,one foot on the running board so no standing and sitting over the tank sucks. She went with a early chassis trailing arm low mile Indy and likes it.
That Cat will get a look once some start showing up or revisit the Evo in another year.
Now if you could order a Evo all powered up so not to toss new parts away as a option that would make the sale.
to upgrade the evo, for me, so it was better for an adult rider... ended up being almost the same as the barely used snow check rush(was about 1k more) with extra features(rack, bag, tow bumper, extended warranty, colours etc) in price. that and the rider forward was the deciding factor. the 2k price tag for parts that would replace what the sled came with from the get go was a downer, though for what it is, it's a good idea for a youth to grow into and adjust as they grow.

there just aren't that many sleds out there for smaller adult riders.

krom you'd laugh hard if you ever saw my 4'9" irish mother on mark's assault, she'd need help lmao.
 

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Would Polaris loyalists actually buy a 4S Poo if they ever came out with one? I kinda' doubt it would be a big seller for them personally due to weight and lack of the 'fun factor' their current owners rage about. Curious to see if they launch a Patriot 600 and drop the 800 HO for 2021.
Their loyalists would bust a nut on one. They only talk about the fun factor because it sounds better than bad handling.
If they had a turbo you'd then hear about how awesome and planted it is and it can corner so flat blah blah blah blah. Stamp it.
 

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Polaris needs to have an option like Skidoo to tunnel mount torsion spring and shock adjusters on xc/xcr. When the skid is all packed with snow its a pain in the ass to adjust. On the Doo you just reach back behind your feet. Back in the day Cat had the adjuster for the front skid shock on the handle bars. Also for the price we are paying they should come standard with 4 year warranties across the board all the time.
It's called a ProS. Stop buying with your eyes and test ride. Once you do you will think it looks better too.
 

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it's not just it being a 600 though... i'm a hair over 5', they've been pushing bigger is better for a few years now, this is a deterrent for smaller adult riders. i almost bought a brand new evo last year because of the size, even though i wanted something with the same forward seating setup for riding like mark's assault(but not something that has me basically standing while sitting like the assault does). luckily the dealer ended up with my rush while we were still deciding. i went through all the brands in my search, most are promoting the bigger longer tracks as their mains right now. mark's already considering a shorter track for next year as a snow check.
Engine size does NOT affect chassis size on a Poo. Not even close. Go buy a 600ace Doo. You will fit on it better as they are made for short people and it is more than enough motor for you
 

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Prices. That’s my biggest complaint and the biggest reason why I haven’t bought a brand new sled in 11 years.

I know this sounds probably stupid to some but, no manufacture makes the sled that I 110% really want, right out of the box. They all have good attributes that I like. When I could spring order a brand new sled for $9,500-10,000 that got me 90%ish to what I wanted, I didn’t mind putting a couple of grand into it to make it exactly what I wanted.

While Polaris has spent a lot of time making their spring order sleds have a ton of options, I still can’t build exactly what I want, even after spending $14,000 (retail). Cat is actually MUCH closer in the bang for the buck category. Problem is? I have ridden nearly every iteration of the PC chassis and even modded, I’m not a fan. Same with Doo. I could spend a STUPID amount of money to build a Doo but at the end of the day, I just am not comfortable on them, whatsoever.

I think the tech in the current sled offerings is sub par as well when compared to even current SXS offerings. It’s really pathetic. The automotive industry has loads and loads of tech that can be converted for use by sled companies and they just choose not to use it. A lot of that tech could make sled development much more consistent and even sled reliability much better. It’s ridiculous to think that here we are, in 2020, and simple things like fouling plugs or melting plastic is an issue on these things. Especially for what they cost and the limit time they get used.

Just a few initial thoughts I have.
Proud of you. This is one of the first times you have made sense and not so much a hater...new you for 2020? :thumbsup:
 

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Manu’s make the top of the line sleds what they are actually meant to be. ridden hard core to be able to take the rough stuff. Not just a badge on the snowmobile. If someone wants an XCR/ XRS and complains that they are too harsh, that is there problem. Just because their problem as they should have bought a TNT or indy SP.
 

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Proud of you. This is one of the first times you have made sense and not so much a hater...new you for 2020? :thumbsup:


Not sure where you take it that I’m a “hater” other than the poo that I may sling, just like others, in “normal” GDF threads sometimes.

I’ve always been able to find things in all brands that I like. I still remain the most comfortable on Polaris chassis. Must be the fun factor/lack of handling though, from what I hear. Which is weird because even after almost everyone in my usual riding group rode our buds Alpha last year, the either kept their Polaris or bought a new Polaris. :dunno:

New leftover, maybe. Doubtful though. My RMK is clean and set up pretty much just how I like it. If I did buy something else, right now It would be a Khaos or an SKS 155.

If I was to do something stupid and buy a designated high mileage trail sled, (about a .02% of this happening) it would be a REALLY tough choice between an XCR or a XRS Gade. I haven’t rode a G4/ugly duckling chassis but I was VERY impressed with the XS chassis XRS Gade that I rode a few years ago. I was impressed with the Pro-S and Pro-Xs that I’ve ridden so I’d definitely try an XCR, if I was in the market.
 

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Engine size does NOT affect chassis size on a Poo. Not even close. Go buy a 600ace Doo. You will fit on it better as they are made for short people and it is more than enough motor for you
600ace comes in the grand touring, nothing small about that or a gen4 Expedition sport
 

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Prices. That’s my biggest complaint and the biggest reason why I haven’t bought a brand new sled in 11 years.
Agreed.

Arctic Cat: The only way that they are going to win back market share is PRICE. So offer 129" 600cc and 800cc trail sleds with rebuildable shocks for $8,500 to $10,000.

Polaris: Make the Indy XC and RMK your main chassis across your ENTIRE product line, and offer a "budget" Indy XC 600 and 800 with base level rebuildable shocks.

Ski-Doo: Offer SHOT on trail sleds, ditch the gimmicky Pilot TS adjustable skis, go back to putting "clicker" shocks on X-Package sleds, and include a windshield and storage bag on your $15,000 sleds.

Yamaha: Offer a budget Viper 137 (no turbo) for under $10,000 and figure out how to offer a $5,000 budget sled (like Sea-Doo did with the Spark).

Notice how a lot of my comments revolve around "budget" sleds. With $15,000 sleds and 6-week long seasons, in addition to aging out, a lot of potential customers are getting priced out of the sport.
 
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