O agree with you the idiot factor is a big problem in Pa, but I also feel its due to the fact folks have so few legal options to ride here in Pa .There is a push to open more trails for ATV's in Pa as well. Not so sure we'll see any sections that have a lot of private property open that way as lots of it is farmland connected and those owners won't allow ATV's due to idiot damage. The idiot being the user behind the wheel. Lots of illegal access here already and hence the State Forestry and State Parks want nothing to do with them.
Well, I will have to say I sort of dis agree with you on many pointsMrbb,
I've been part of the snowmobiling org for a long time as you probably already know. I was involved in the PSSA for over 15 years and gave it up a couple years ago due to my job change and work requirements for being out of town. I've seen first hand how the state has treated the ATV'rs here and taken their money and given them nothing. I too own a ATV (2001 Traxter 500) that sure would be nice to ride on some state property that taxpayers pay for and shared by all. But, the State Forestry and State Parks do not feel that same way. They don't believe that ATV's will be able to stay legal on State land due to the lawlessness that already occurs in all places. They said as much in meetings and want nothing to do with ATV's. Fact. So, what's the answer. IMO they are giving out a bone by just giving back as much as they do to ATV grants with the recreational parks (private) that are available now. The problem is if you allow ATV's onto State property (including gamelands) there isn't enough enforcement resources to ensure compliance. IMO and I believe in the State's opinion you can't hire enough enforcement to ensure the ATV lawlessness wouldn't occur. Now, if you'd like to give up some of your rights by allowing every machine to have a tracking device and then use those tracking devices to track all of them on state property and ensure that by policing that if one was caught without one of them that their machine would be impounded and sold from underneath them and force the rider to go to jail or other extreme measures then you would have a chance with the State. Enforcement is part of the problem. And a big issue why ATV's are not allowed even now. Just due to the lawlessness of them. Good or bad. There it is.
I have voiced my views on this matter in many ways over the yrs, and also found it to be a waste of time mostly, as again, there are some folks in places of power in the game commission that refuse to budget and fall back on there ancient wording in there beginning rules and such of the commissions start up!MrBB, Feel free to pass this onto your Pa legislator. Obviously you feel a need to escalate this to someone. I would suggest starting with your local legislator found here.
And then move onto the Governors office and maybe a State Senate person here.
PS - let us all know how it goes. As it's been a black hole forever and that's with the Pssa persueing it for years and years and years.
well I haven't fully given up, but I have stopped wasting extra time tryingI'll agree with the waste of time. I gave up on it all partly (mostly) due to that. Why bang your head against the tree over and over ? Life is too short for that. I'll enjoy riding when i do "out of state". Put the money where someone wants it. PA sure as heck doesn't. They'll take my taxes though !
Four of us went to Newberry Michigan. The local economy there got my $1000 plus the other three guys that went as well. I doubt they were unhappy to see us. And the rest of the hotel we stayed at was mostly guess where from ? PA yep.
well I haven't fully given up, but I have stopped wasting extra time trying
right now like I said, my local trails have just got 11 miles open for atv use and working on m ore, so that is at least a step in the right direction, even if its more of a pay for access system
maybe some day the state of PA will realize what there missing and get smarter
all the more so if snows don't come back to where they used to be!
and sled registration fee's start to drop a lot!
as IMO< its all about the $$< when they finally realize there loosing more and more, sooner or later a light bulb comes on some where LOL
well you'd be wrong with me
Your never going to be able to ride all the land the state owns but there is a lot of public lands available to ride. My complaint has always been having to trailer from one riding area to another. Having visited the Hatfield McCoy area last year I realized PA actually has just as much riding available, it's just spread out over small pockets of area for riding.well you'd be wrong with me
I do know of them, and other atv clubs and places in PA
I even said so in my post that there ARE some places in PA< but very FEW, when you compare how much land there is in PA and how little is open to ATV riders!
and the State owns a a TON of the lands that could and SHOULD be open to atv riders!, if the state depts that own the lands got off there asses and did some work to make it happen!
well after spending yrs in WV and Ohio and other states on the east cpoastYour never going to be able to ride all the land the state owns but there is a lot of public lands available to ride. My complaint has always been having to trailer from one riding area to another. Having visited the Hatfield McCoy area last year I realized PA actually has just as much riding available, it's just spread out over small pockets of area for riding.
CMATVA is working to connect these riding areas and having some success working with our legislators and DCNR. You will eventually be able to ride from Snow Shoe area near State College to New York connecting Bloody Skillet area to Whiskey Springs to Lyman Run Park to the vast legal riding of township roads to the north. The connection from Bloody Skillet to Renovo is the most challenging but according to their last meeting notes they are getting close to connecting Renovo to Whiskey Springs and onto Cross Fork which will give you access to services like Gas, Food, and Lodging on your ATV. The club has already opened up north of Cross Fork to New York with Gas & Food available in Genesee & Germania.