I have both and they’re good but they do get cold when riding from the wind chill.Slower speeds are fine when the hand warmers are not overpowered from the wind.I find that I still need gauntlets when it gets that cold.My problem is the thumb .The only real option is the heated ones at that temp without three finger mitts or mittens.Looking forward to other responses so I may find what your looking for also.

 

I use the Klim lobster claws and they keep my hands warm until about Zero. Below zero I need the gauntlets with insulated leather gloves. The gauntlets stop the wind and make all the difference, imo.

 

MY hands seldom ever get cold, so maybe not a true help here, but I went to there POWERXROSS GLOVE, its a short cuff glove, maybe you wouldn;t like
but I liked them a lot, rode in minus 30 temps and never had cold fingers
good padding where needed, and fit very well and allowed me to do all things I wanted with them on!, and FAST on/off for me as well
NOT really cheap gloves, but a full season on them and looked brand new at end of yr?

 

I have the Klim Tundra split finger gloves I think what elcohete called the lobster claw) they are by far the warmest gloves Ive ever owned, but the split finger takes a bit of getting used to and I dont care for it when I'm really riding hard, although when I'm really riding hard I dont get cold anyway.

 

ditto, I have a pair of them as well and have had no issues with them. nice and toasty. it is hard to hand signal how many sleds are behind you though with three fingers. :laff:

Gloves are a pretty big deal for me. I smashed one hand pretty badly and it is still sensitive to cold. I also need a good grip with shortened fingers.
I have tried a lot of gloves. Mittens don't work for my hands.
The Klim Fusion isn't too bad for grip if I put the divider on top. They are better riding gloves in that configuration. I tried the early Elite glove. It had a pretty decent riding feel too. The cuff liner failed early though. They were replaced by the new version. The older version was a little better riding glove. The Summit gloves are slightly warmer overall than the two previous models. I wasn't a big fan of the cushy palm and fingers.
BTW, I have found that any of the previously mentioned gloves are incredible for snowblowing and shoveling. They could still use some improvement for riding grip and comfort.

I have tried their liner system too. I left the liners on for any quick stops. They were nice for that function. I wasn't a big fan of riding with them inside gloves. The extra unattached layer felt like it slid too much. I tried a smaller size liner as well. It became too tight and the seams failed.
I swap over to their Inversion glove in warmer temps. Those gloves work great. Grip is good and durability has been great.
I also use a pair of Castle Mission gloves. They are a slightly warmer version of the Inversion style. Those are the gloves I currently use the most.
I am curious about the Judged gloves.

Gloves are a big deal in my situation. I probably throw away more gloves than most try. I'm always looking for the best glove.
I also carry a set of gauntlets most days. They are nice insurance and they do work.

me too, I have Raynauds in most of my left fingertips which can be extremely painful. it really helps to run a real windshield and if it's really cold out I have SkiDoo muffs as a backup which work excellent. can't fathom how some guys drive around with speedometer covers all winter instead of a good windshield. :nuts:
https://www.ski-doo.com/shop/Access...ccessories/muffs_pads/handlebar-muffs-fits-with-all-handguards-2015-and-up.html

 

I am a big fan of Klim, but I am not all that impressed with the gloves. Theirs seem bulky to me relative to whatever amount of warmth they provide, and in active riding almost all of them tend to bunch up around the palm and base of the thumb.

I have had good luck with an outfit out of Maine called Judged Gear. Check out their Defendant and Co-Defendant. They wear like iron, easy on-off, not a bunch of extra trim and puffy insulation that gets in the way, and they just plain work for me on a sled.

The Co-Defendants are almost too warm for temps above -15º C.

 

Wow I reviewed them and 600 grams of thinsulate on the top holy cow, Im gonna get a pair of these to try thanks!

 

I got the Klim Klimate gloves that have a 100 gram layer that always stays on the top of your fingers and a second 100 gram layer that can be either on your palm side or add to the top of your fingers. Concept is good but when putting the second 100 gram layer on top of your fingers then the finger TIPs have NO protection and freeze. You cant get them on your heated hand grips so they get cold. So I always use them with the convertible 100 gram layer under my palms. I still need gauntlets when super cold.

~ Phil

 

Isn't it the Fusion glove that has the layer that can go on top or bottom?

 

Dexterity is surprisingly good once you break them in which takes longer than I have experienced with other gloves. Those are heavy gloves with thick leather everywhere, so it takes a while before they get good and soft and broken in.

The flip side of that is they last a long time. My Co Defendants have about 2500 miles on them and to look at them, you'd never know they weren't just out of the package. I've got a set of Bailiff's (a style no longer offered, it's a short cuff glove with 100g thinsulate) that have about 6000 trail miles on them, the palms are starting to look ratty but no holes in the leather, no stitches coming loose, and no leaks.

Most of the insulation on these is on the backs/sides of fingers and hand, so you have pretty good fingertip feel for sled controls, picking things up, etc. Better than a "puffy" nylon-based glove in most situations, i think, but your mileage may vary.

Some of Judged's gloves use a Hipora liner (gore tex knockoff) and some don't. I've only used the ones with Hipora and they work about as good as any goretex gloves, as far as moisture management. I can't comment on the ones without the liner.

BTW none of this is a dump on Klim. I swear by their boots, bibs, and parkas which I have worn exclusively (but never worn out) for about 10 years. I just haven't had great luck with their gloves meeting my expectations.

 

the gloves I listed have less insulation on palm and underside of hand, so allow better feel of things , yet has more insulation on back of hand, so wind and cold doesn;t get thru
one of the reasons I liked them, not so think of a glove, yet still gave me plenty of warmth where needed

 

Issue I have is with some of the Klim gloves you cant get the heat from your hand warmers and your fingers will go cold. Me and a few other guys use Under Armor Cold Gear storm gloves with wind stopper. We really like them and you feel the heat from your warmers. They are a tight fit as well.

 

insulation works both ways, to keep heat in and out, this is why if you look most glove makers list how munch insulation is in the palms and also back side of gloves
you really don';t need a lot in the palms as sleds have heated grips
that keep the palms and under side of hands warm
so why get the bulk when its not needed there, as your not getting any real gains from it, more likely getting con's from it, bulky/lack of feeling of heat from grips and , all that bulk can make you hands tied over the day from bending all that added bulk!
many glove makers have tried pre curving gloves to help here, but less insulation on palm side, will make them more useful to more folks I think
and again, why I picked the style I did and was happy with them!

 

Try FXR leather gauntlets, developed in Manitoba for cold weather. Have had mine for about 5 years, and I ride in any weather. Way better than Klim.

 

I’m on my second pair of fusions. No complaints.

 

Look into Outdoor Research. Awesome products......lifetime guarantee

 

My suggestion being as we are both in Manitoba and having owned kilm gloves is go with heated FXR Recon. No comparison Recon is one of the best equipment purchases I have done sled or bike. This time of year also use them for those chilly morning commutes. Pricey but worth it


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I wish there were some kind of scientific test to check for insulating quality and agility and all that for gloves; like have a mannequin hand with temp sensors and accelerometers and whatnot to get some technical baseline for what's good and what's not. Couple that to a machine that is like a washboard to scrub the gloves or something to check for durabililty. Does that make sense? I feel like since everyone's biology and riding style is different, no glove/ garment will behave the same between two people. Case in point, I'm come to realize in my not old age, that I have poor circulation (self-diagnosed, of course, so anecdotal at best), so most things that are "warm" for others, isn't as much for me.

 

if you really wanted to TEST gloves, buy a few models, and do your own testing, can be done pretty simple

place frozen or heated objects in fingers and get a laser thermometer and take readings and see what one's hold the heat in better or let cold out more

as for water proofing, again, get a bucket of clear water, sub merge things see how long it takes for water to get in each pair

IMO< and not bashing guys, many folks that get cold hands IMO are running sleds with little to no wind protection on your hands, wanting cool looks over something that can make your hands stay warmer

maybe you's should invest in some better hand protection, and be having warmer hands over trying to find better gloves that odds are AIN"T going to be much better
wind sooner or later gets thru all things and wind chills as speeds increase make things colder even faster
they have some much nicer hand guards these days and soft sides muff like deals that DON"T enclose your whole hand like they used to, that work wonders on keeping hands warm
might not be as cool looking as without em, but,

will keep your fingers warm and dry!

some times in life, you need to pick function over looks!

 

I got an expensive pair of Klim gloves a few years back and they are junk. My klim boots are good though.

 

the Klim gloves have greatly disappointed me, I tried the Fusion I sold after 2 weeks, and Klimate that did not last 1 month

 

I have an old pair of the Klimate glove and they were never warm, one of the coldest gloves I have ever bought. Decided to go with the Towogotee last year and it was not much of an improvement over the original Klimate I had. They came with an inner liner but they are only good for warm days imo. I will be looking for a new glove this season.

Yup, junk. Don’t buy overpriced klim gloves, I never will again.

 

I have an old pair of the Klimate glove and they were never warm, one of the coldest gloves I have ever bought. Decided to go with the Towogotee last year and it was not much of an improvement over the original Klimate I had. They came with an inner liner but they are only good for warm days imo. I will be looking for a new glove this season.

 

last year i try the heated FXR Recon gloves... juste perfect, but the price stop to me

 

Gloves are a pretty big deal for me. I smashed one hand pretty badly and it is still sensitive to cold. I also need a good grip with shortened fingers.
I have tried a lot of gloves. Mittens don't work for my hands.
The Klim Fusion isn't too bad for grip if I put the divider on top. They are better riding gloves in that configuration. I tried the early Elite glove. It had a pretty decent riding feel too. The cuff liner failed early though. They were replaced by the new version. The older version was a little better riding glove. The Summit gloves are slightly warmer overall than the two previous models. I wasn't a big fan of the cushy palm and fingers.
BTW, I have found that any of the previously mentioned gloves are incredible for snowblowing and shoveling. They could still use some improvement for riding grip and comfort.

I have tried their liner system too. I left the liners on for any quick stops. They were nice for that function. I wasn't a big fan of riding with them inside gloves. The extra unattached layer felt like it slid too much. I tried a smaller size liner as well. It became too tight and the seams failed.
I swap over to their Inversion glove in warmer temps. Those gloves work great. Grip is good and durability has been great.
I also use a pair of Castle Mission gloves. They are a slightly warmer version of the Inversion style. Those are the gloves I currently use the most.
I am curious about the Judged gloves.

Gloves are a big deal in my situation. I probably throw away more gloves than most try. I'm always looking for the best glove.
I also carry a set of gauntlets most days. They are nice insurance and they do work.

 

Thanks guys lots of info here.

I have the rigid open face muffs and mitts for extreme cold. I know any gloves won’t cut it at -30c.

Just looking for something to work to -20c and have good dexterity and stay dry. Lots of options here.

Currently I have an old thin pair of HJC. Great dexterity on warm days to -10c. I also have the FXR fuel glove. It’s way to thick and bulky. Terrible dexterity. Might as well wear mitts.

When it’s colder then -20c I pull out some big old mitts. Warm as hell but have to ride like a grandma. Lol.


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I didn't read all of the comments but I have the Powerxross gloves and LOVE how comfortable they are but will admit when it gets about zero or below they aren't warm enough. I keep some old school mittens in the tunnel bag I put on when it gets chilly. I haven't found a glove that fits both needs perfectly. Hope that helps.

 

all gloves is warm a 0, i live in Quebec City, and i ride above 5 to -30 F, the klim gloves not make for this temp

 

Klim gloves are a mistake. Worst $200 I've ever spent. Not warm at all and wore out quick.

 

Klim Gloves

My experience:

Fusion- Excellent using the GRIP set up, too bulky with the WARM setup. Sometimes GRIP was too cold though.
Togwotee- Liners moved around too much inside glove, making handling difficult. Stitching fell apart on liners.
Powerxross - very cold. Great for brief outings in warm weather. Gave my hands cramps with the overly thin grip.

For trial riding I have not found a better glove then the SKI DOO X team gloves in either Leather or Cloth. Perfect amount of insulation for Grip and warmth, excellent mobility.

 

Best gloves I've ever had were Kimpex Leather gloves I bought while in Canada. I mean in Canada they get cold hands. I wore them out and moved to the Fusion and loved them too and wore them out. I've used FXR with some success but they wore out too fast and my hands got cold after about 3 years using them. (1000mi a year btw) Right now I have three new sets to try. Fusion (version 2) FXR and some three finger Leather Klim ones (old stock). Not sure what i'll end up using this year but it'll be one of them.

Steve

 

My (?) is will klim be a thing of the past re: Reima....... seems Polaris is putting more effort into 509 . I wear Klim and I’m fine with it but they are not the best anymore and they are surviving off the brand name for the moment i think....all the innovation is at 509 . Wait till next year 509 will be all new all heated and LED helmets, goggles to boots with a battery powered vest minimal cords running it all . JUSTMY2Cents

 

my personal favorite is the Motorfist Rekon glove. Nice and thin 40g of insulation in the palm, 200g on the back. Waterproof, Event fabric, leather palm. These gloves combined with handguards or Coldguards work well for me in -30 C.