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If you can't view this post on a laptop or phone, while you are at your snowmobile, you might consider Printing this post (Ctrl-P) or whatever options your web browser offers, and putting it on paper or at least into a .pdf that can be viewed without having an internet connection. Unfortunately the User Guides from Polaris are wrong/or vague in some areas, and don't warn of some potential problems. I have done this hundreds of times and am very familiar with all the mistakes that can be made.

Here is an FAQ on the PIDD gauge. It might solve some of your problems, right away.
Ride Command PIDD FAQS

If the PIDD shows an Oil Change Required message, here is how to respond:

PIDD msg: Oil Change Required -- pics

A PIDD Programming update available in August of 2015 from Polaris is a great free improvement to the PIDD gauge, it is explained in detail here:

Post on many new PIDD features added thru Aug. 2015 programming update, plus Fuel Gauge improvement

Polaris IDD Battery Powerup Kit for AXYS March, 2016 this is wiring support for a battery to operate GPS without engine running and without electric start.

Polaris IDD hardware & installation

PIDD gauge retention bracket available. Jan. 26, 2015


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There are four major phases of getting the refreshed programming, trails and base maps on your Polaris IDD (PIDD) GPS/gauge:

PREPARE, DOWNLOAD, EXTRACT, UPDATE.

== P R E P A R E ====================

We will start with access to some of the reference information, and then an explanation of some of the terminology.

RideCommand.polaris.com is the new name for the Polaris RiderX.com website (the source for downloading updated programming, trails and base maps). The procedure for refreshing programming, trail maps and basemaps has changed.

So earlier directions, instructions, screen pictures, may not be correct or make sense.

Here's the link to Polaris owners manuals Polaris ATV, Snowmobiles, RANGER, Victory

Here's a link to download the current PIDD User's Guide/Owners manual .pdf:

April 11, 2018 Version of Polaris IDD Owners manual. 111 pages

The back cover will have Part no. 9928803r02 (Revision 2).

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When looking at the USB flash drive on your computer, if you show the device Properties, you will be able to see the type of File System. It must be FAT32. If not, you could Format it to FAT32, but it will erase all information on the USB flash drive.

I recommend using an 8GB USB flash drive or larger. The USB flash drive must be formatted in the FAT32 file system. Most Computers cannot format a USB flash drive bigger than 32GB in the FAT32 file system. If the USB flash drive is not formatted properly, you will get a USB error from the PIDD. The older PIDD manuals recommend 4MB USB flash drives. That's a mistake!

In the root of the USB flash drive, make SURE you have all old

update-full_Polaris_TV480_xxxxxx.gciBin AND
Polaris_TV480_xxxxxx.gciBin

files deleted, before you start the Extract from the .zip file to the USB flash drive. If you leave a BaseMap.img file on the USB flash drive, from a previous update, it will be reupdated to the PIDD AGAIN, taking another 25 minutes. So, you should delete that BaseMap.img file.
Other files on the USB flash drive, will not cause a problem.
Just allow the Extract to replace a Trails.img file with the newer one being Extracted.

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The PIDD gauge is a computer. It has a display, some electrical components, digital information stored in it, and a separate GPS receiver and antenna (attached thru the sled's CAN wired network and just below the hood). There are 3 categories/files of digital information that it needs, and each one of these can be updated after installation, thru a USB flash drive (thumb drive / storage device).

1. Programming. (Config/Software) All the instructions the computer follows to perform its job, and text/icons/graphics it displays to the user. The current version is ALWAYS INCLUDED with a download.

2. Base Map. All the data needed to construct and display a visual map of a geographic area, including state/provincial boundaries, roads, rivers and bodies of water. Usually changes every couple years, but is very large, adding time to the download from the internet and over 20 more minutes to the update on the snowmobile.

3. Trails. Information used to place all the snowmobile trails on top of a base map, and properly display and locate them. The current version is ALWAYS INCLUDED with a download. Polaris has Snowmobile trails information for many regions of the world, you will select a region on a map when doing the download from the internet. The current version may change daily. You decide how current you want to be.

== HOW TO DISPLAY SYSTEM INFO

1. Turn the Snowmobile Ignition key to the RUN position. With a battery, this only powers up the GPS/gauge. Nothing else on an Axys sled.

1a. If the sled does not have a battery, start the engine, to power the GPS. The engine will automatically shut down after coolant temp. reaches 120F/50C or higher, AND for the next 5 minutes, the throttle lever doesn't move from idle.
Give the throttle a quick squeeze every 4 minutes to avoid this. Start the timer on a Smartphone, and do it on 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, minute mark.

2. Once the PIDD has booted up, and the Main instrument gauge is displayed,
Press key 3 once to see the key icons on the bottom of the screen

3. Then, key 3 again to open the base menu.

4. Press key 4 to scroll down to SYSTEM SETTINGS.

5. Press Key 3 to select SYSTEM SETTINGS.

6. Press Key 4 to scroll down to SYSTEM INFO.

7. Press Key 3 to select SYSTEM INFO

8. If you do not have a free account on the RideCommand website yet, you will also need the PIDD serial# and snowmobile VIN# to create an account. WRITE DOWN the 3 file build dates, and machine info, OR take a picture with your phone or camera. The RideCommand account allows you to put tracks you or others have ridden, on the RideCommand cloud, where you can view them, store them and share them with others.

9. Turn the Ignition Key to the OFF position.

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Current Information as of June 26, 2020

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Serial No. .............. 123456 << PIDD serial#
Loader ......... 2. 3.20033.0000
App ............ 2. 7.10272.0003
Bluetooth ...... 5. 0.00002.0818
Config .... 2.7.10562 2019-01-25 << Programming
Map data . www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
................. USA 2018-01-01 << Base Map
Trails .. Snow_Trails 2020-06-26 << Trails Date

VIN ............... xxxxxxxxxxxx << Snowmobile VIN
Vehicle Model ........ XXXXXXXXX
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Look at these 3 build dates from your System Info screen and compare them to Current file build dates above, or on the RideCommand website.

If you already have all the current build dates shown in the SYSTEM INFO screen above, You're DONE. no need for any further work, class dismissed! Otherwise, check one more thing:

If the Map data does not HAVE a build date, it is old. If the Map data on your PIDD display is current, you need to download "Software and Trails". Otherwise, you need to download "Software / Trails / Base Map".

The download process from Polaris ALWAYS downloads fresh Programming(config), AND fresh Trails.

== D O W N L O A D from INTERNET ======

The .zip download file type is something new as of Feb. 5, 2015.
Think of it as a package that contains the needed information files.

Downloading brings a single compressed/zipped file down thru the internet, to be stored on your computer HARD DRIVE.
You should NOT store this .ZIP file on the USB flash drive.

The internet .Zip compressed file that contains Software, trails and maps, is about 2,000 MB. and may take 2 hours to download. Don't download it if your map is the current version.

A table of Download & PIDD Update times and sizes.

-- Download ---- time _ _ZipSize _ Extracted _ Update
Trails only ... 1-5 min.. 77.3 MB . 77.3 MB .. 5 min.
Trails&BaseMap 10-120min. 1.98 GB . 3.48 GB . 28 min.

1. Now, get your Computer on the Internet, open a web browser, and open the URL RideCommand.Polaris.com/display

2. Choose your display, you may have to scroll down to the Snowmobile 4.3" display that you should recognize, and then click on the "Snowmobile" button.

3. Select a region, Western or Eastern hemisphere and click on it.

4. Now subregions are displayed, you may have to scroll to find the one you want, then click on it. If you click on "view details" you will be shown that subregion on a zoomed in map.

5. At the top of this screen you will see the current build dates of the Software/Programming and of the Snowmobile trails.
Click on the appropriate Blue button for what you have decided to download:

. If the Base Map on your System Info screen matched the current date shown earlier in this post, then select
"Software and Trails"

. Otherwise "Software / Trails / Base Map". (a much bigger & more time consuming, download).

6. A Folder/Directory screen will popup allowing you to select where you want to store the .zip file on your hard drive, it also allows you to change the name of the .zip file if you wish. REMEMBER the Folder/Directory that you stored the .zip file in. The default filename will have the subregion name, and then text to describe which download you selected:

"NorthernUnitedStates-sno-trailsonly.zip"
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"Canada-sno-trails-map.zip"

7. You will return to the subregion screen, and depending on your browser, a corner of the screen should indicate the download is running and then change when the download is complete. If you download the basemap, it could take a while depending on your internet speed.

8. When the download from the internet is complete, you can signoff the RideCommand website, and close the web browser. You will not need the internet, unless you want to look at this post!

== E X T R A C T to USB FLASH DRIVE ======

The next steps are:

1. Plug the USB flash drive you want to use to transfer this information to the PIDD, into a USB port on your computer. Make note of what device this USB flash drive is called... E: or whatever.

2. unzip / Extract this .zip/compressed file, into 3 or 4 files. When you click/open this zipped file on your hard drive, your computer will open a new folder, which shows you what the contents of the zipped file, will look like when unpacked. The folder should have an option towards the top of "Extract All". Click on that and then follow prompts to Direct the computer to Extract all files to the root directory of the USB flash drive. This takes a few minutes. The table shows how much additional storage is used for the extracted files. The original compressed/zipped file still remains where it was downloaded on the hard drive.

3. Point your file/folder viewer (for Microsoft it is usually "File Explorer") to look at the USB flash drive now.

4. You should see 3 or 4 files that have just been extracted onto this USB flash drive.

Starting in March of 2015, when the zipped file is extracted into its component files, and put in the USB Flash Drive, there is an additional file, with a name like:

_packaged-2020-06-26.txt

5. If you click on this .txt file, you will view the components in this download and their build dates.

8. Now see if those files are on the USB flash drive, to confirm the download and extract worked as planned:

Polaris_TV480_xxxxxx.gciBin
Trails.img
BaseMap.img (optional)

9. Close the _packaged-2020-06-26.txt file if you opened it.

In your file manager or viewer, right click on the USB device, and take the option to "Eject". This will tell the computer to complete any cached writing to the USB flash drive, and close the files and device.

10. You can now remove the USB flash drive from the computer. We don't require the computer for any further support of the PIDD update process.

11. I would NOT remove the .zip file from the computer hard drive until after the update of the PIDD has been done successfully and confirmed. If there was a problem with the USB flash drive or the extraction, the .zip file could be extracted again, without having to download again.

== U P D A T E PIDD from USB FLASH DRIVE =

Performing this Update from the USB Flash Drive, has several side effects you should know about.

1. It resets the Fuel type to "E10-Ethanol"

2. It resets the display brightness level settings for Day/Night back to factory defaults.

3. It may clear/delete all saved tracks/waypoints in the PIDD and the current track in the PIDD. This process will guide you as to how to preserve all tracks and waypoints on the PIDD, a little later in the update process.

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If your PIDD USB cable is NOT already permanently installed under the hood, page number 7 shows how. Page number 5 of this attachment explains what the dealer is expected to do as part of setup, and how to do an PIDD initialization for a Pro Ride snowmobile after the update.

View attachment Setup-IDD-Cable-Battery.pdf

1. Open the right SIDE Panel of the sled, IF the USB connector on the end of the cable is strapped underneath the hood on your sled. It might have been relocated inside the glove box area of your hood, which is accessible thru the windshield bag or the glovebox door.

2. Insert the USB flash drive, containing the Extracted RideCommand files, into the USB connector.

3. If your sled is equipped with a battery, make sure it is fully charged. It is okay to have a battery charger/battery minder hooked up to the battery, during this update process.

4. Turn the Snowmobile Ignition key to the RUN position. With a battery, this only powers up the GPS/gauge. Nothing else on an Axys sled.

4a. If the sled does not have a battery, start the engine, to power the GPS. The engine will automatically shut down after coolant temp. reaches 120F/50C or higher, AND for the next 5 minutes, the throttle lever doesn't move from idle. Give the throttle a quick squeeze every 4 minutes to avoid this. Start the timer on a Smartphone, and do it on 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, minute mark.

5. IF you DO NOT have tracks OR waypoints on the PIDD that you need preserved, Go to Step 7a.

5a. You can Export the tracks and/or waypoints to the same USB Flash Drive that has the update files on it, there should be plenty of room. Or, if you want, you can use a different USB Flash drive, same requirements as for the update USB Flash drive, formatted with the FAT32 file system and 32GB or less. If you want to use a different USB Flash drive to store Tracks and Waypoints, Plug it into the PIDD now.

These Tracks and waypoints can be Imported back individually to the PIDD gauge from a USB Flash Drive, any time in the future. They are around 1MB or less, each. The PIDD can only hold a maximum of 10 tracks, at a time.

6a. If you don't want to keep the Current Track, go to step 6b.

If you want to keep the current track (bread crumbs), save it on the PIDD to a name...
. from MAIN instrument gauge,
. Press key 3 once to see the key icons on the screen bottom.
. Then, key 3 again to open the base menu.
. Press key 4 to scroll down to MAPS/TRAILS
. Press Key 3 to select MAPS / TRAILS
. The MAPS / TRAILS screen is now displayed.
. Press Key 5 for the next set of screen icons on screen bottom.
. Press Key 3 to name the current track and save on the PIDD
. Use the popup keyboard to name and
. Move the select to the lower right part of the keyboard,
.. There is a blue key, ehen that is outlined in red,
.. Then press key3 to save this track to USB flash drive
.. You can press key3 to Show this track, it doen't make a difference.
?? return to MAIN instrument gauge display

6b. If you don't need to save any Tracks, go to Step 6C.

In GPS Manager/Track Manager, Export all the previously saved tracks you want to keep, onto a USB Flash Drive.
. from MAIN instrument gauge,
. Press key 3 once to see the key icons on the screen bottom.
. Then, key 3 again to open the base menu.
. Press key 4 to scroll down to GPS MANAGER
. Press Key 3 to select GPS MANAGER
. TRACK MANAGER should already be Highlighted
. Press Key 3 to select TRACK MANAGER
. Scroll up/down to Highlight with white outline the Track you want to export to USB flash drive.
. press key 5 to move to the right command column
. scroll down w/key 4 to highlight with blue outline the Export command.
. press key 5 to execute the Export command.
. Press Key 2 to export this Track to USB flash drive,
. OR if shown, press Key 4 to export All Tracks on PIDD to USB flash drive.
. When "Exporting" message goes away,
. and "Export Complete" is displayed,
. Press Key 3 to acknowledge
. IF you have more Tracks to export repeat this series.
. ELSE Press Key 3 again to bring up main menu
. press Key 3 again to show MAIN instrument gauge screen.

6c. If you don't need to save any Waypoints, go to Step 6d.

In GPS Manager/Waypoint Manager, Export all the previously saved waypoints you want to keep, onto a USB Flash Drive.

. from MAIN instrument gauge,
. Press key 3 once to see the key icons on the screen bottom.
. Then, key 3 again to open the base menu.
. Press key 4 to scroll down to GPS MANAGER
. Press Key 3 to select GPS MANAGER
. Scroll down to highlight WAYPOINT MANAGER with blue outline.
. Press Key 3 to select WAYPOINT MANAGER
. Scroll up/down to Highlight with white outline the Waypoint you want to export to USB flash drive.
. press key 5 to move the right command column
. scroll down w/key 4 to highlight with blue outline the Export command.
. press key 5 to execute the Export command.
. Press Key 2 to export this Waypoint to USB flash drive,
. OR if shown, press Key 4 to export All Waypoints on PIDD to USB flash drive.
. When "Exporting" message goes away,
. and "Export Complete" is displayed,
. Press Key 3 to acknowledge
. IF you have more Waypoints to export, repeat this series.
. ELSE Press Key 3 again to bring up main menu
. press Key 3 again to show MAIN instrument gauge screen.

6d. If you used a different USB Flash drive to store Tracks and Waypoints, remove it from the PIDD and Plug in the USB Flash Drive with the Extracted update into the PIDD now.

6e. If using the engine to power up the PIDD, you could shut it off now, let it cool down and start it up after it has cooled. Your call.

7a. Perform the steps you followed in the PREPARE phase to bring up the SYSTEM INFO SCREEN.

7b. Press key 5 to begin the Update function.

7c. Now you will see "Would you like to restart in bootloader mode?"
. press key 3 to confirm.


7d. On top of screen, you will see the full file name of the new Programming (config) file, that will update your PIDD. Press key 5, to go forward.

7e. The large right arrow above key 5, will now turn green, press key 5 again to confirm starting the update

7f. You will now see a red "progress" horizontal bar, and a slowly turning circle in the upper left corner. AS LONG AS THAT CIRCLE IS SPINNING, the update is running! Remember an update including the base map, might take 28 to 30 minutes. Update without the base map, about 6 minutes. If you don't have a battery, be sure to give the throttle a quick squeeze every 4 minutes or so, to keep the engine from shutting down.

8. When the update from the USB flash drive is done, you will see a Check mark with a green disk background, for just a few seconds, then the PIDD reboots using the new programming. You do not need to respond to any prompts.

9. If the engine has been running, you may shut if off, and let it cool down, if necessary.

10. Thru Initialization, the PIDD recognizes it is installed on a snowmobile, NOT an ATV or side by side, and retrieves the VIN number & Vehicle Model. The 800HO/850 AXYS sleds, (and 600 AXYS sleds as of August 2015 update) initialize automatically after normal engine startup.
Pro-Ride sleds need the initialization done manually from the SYSTEM INFO screen.

Now, on all sleds, START the ENGINE.

11. Non ProRide sleds, will automatially intitialize about 6-10 seconds after the engine starts, and the PIDD will reboot. When the MAIN GAUGE screen is displayed again, auto initialization is done go to step 12.

11a. for ProRide sleds, you will need to bring up the SYSTEM INFO Screen and press key 1, to perform a MANUAL Initialize. You can watch the short 20 second show, the PIDD rebooting, but no responses are needed. When the MAIN GAUGE screen is displayed again, go to the next step.

12. Bring up the SYSTEM INFO screen again, and verify that the build dates for the components (Config, Map Data and Trails) on the screen, match what you have downloaded and are current.

13. If you do not need to import tracks and waypoints from the USB flash drive, back onto the PIDD, go to step 17.

14. Turn the ignition key to OFF. Make sure the USB flash drive with the saved tracks and/or waypoints is plugged into the PIDD.

15. Next, powerup the PIDD to import from the USB flash drive.
Turn the Snowmobile Ignition key to the RUN position. With a battery, this only powers up the GPS/gauge. Nothing else on an Axys sled.

15a. If the sled does not have a battery, start the engine, to power the GPS. The engine will automatically shut down after 5 minutes of idling. Give the throttle a quick squeeze every 4 minutes to avoid this. Start the timer on a Smartphone, and do it
on 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, minute mark.


16. Use the GPS MANAGER / TRACK MANAGER screen and the GPS Manager / WAYPOINT MANAGER screen to import tracks and waypoints back to the PIDD.

17. Turn the Ignition Key OFF. Remove the USB flash drive. Give yourself a gold star. This process will be much less stressful the next time.


Below is a Sample PIDD SYSTEM INFO display

System-Info_display-200625M.jpg
 

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Just downloaded/uploaded to the IDD on Sunday 11/2. All of this is correct. Even if you have initialized your IDD/my wife's is a 600/ you will have to do it again when you connect the USB to your sled.

You have to initialize beforehand to get your serial number from riderz.com. You have to register your IDD on riderx.com to get to the download page.

Just remember that you cannot just save the files. You either have to run them or save them and unzip them.

I used a brand new 32GB flash drive because it was only $3 more than a 16GB and $5 more than a 8GB.

Here is a pic of Boulder Junction, WI from the IDD. You can see the trail go off toward FishTrap Lake.

To Excursion....you can go across Boulder Lake and the airport and hook up with the trail.

Also posted a pic of my wife's new sled finally in our driveway.
 

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Thanks ExPSD, that is the info I was wondering about. Parts of my IDD was still on backorder so got him to ship sled and he can ship rest of accessories when he gets them. That is why I was wondering about file size and if I can initialize on my own. Thanks for all the work you have been doing for the AXYS crew.
 

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Thanks ExPSD, that is the info I was wondering about. Parts of my IDD was still on backorder so got him to ship sled and he can ship rest of accessories when he gets them. That is why I was wondering about file size and if I can initialize on my own. Thanks for all the work you have been doing for the AXYS crew.
You are very welcome.

If you get a USB flash drive with the downloaded & extracted files on it, for trails and maps, you will be set, and you can update it into your IDDU with no additional support.
 

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Just downloaded the file for the trail and maps. I live in Canada and apparently this download has no Canada trails on it. My dealership told me to follow the directions in the Rider x program. Any info out there for this would be appreciated.
 

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My wife's SB 600 pro s was not up to date as you posted above. And couldn't find anything on riderx to update it??
 

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Just downloaded the file for the trail and maps. I live in Canada and apparently this download has no Canada trails on it. My dealership told me to follow the directions in the Rider x program. Any info out there for this would be appreciated.
Yes, there is none but I think I remember reading there was some for east think Ontario? No trail systems up north of *60, the main reason I got IDD was to be able to get error codes since no Digi Wrench in my area. Bluetooth was a bonus also. Curious, are you able to see lakes and rivers on the map though?
 

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My wife's SB 600 pro s was not up to date as you posted above. And couldn't find anything on riderx to update it??
Did you read this in my first post?

THE DOWNLOADING from the riderx.com is complex at this time. Improvements are planned, and better instructions will be available by mid-November.
 

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It seems that this is something the dealer should do. I went to that RiderX site. I don't see anything for a computer download. I don't have a smart phone.
 

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Just downloaded the file for the trail and maps. I live in Canada and apparently this download has no Canada trails on it. My dealership told me to follow the directions in the Rider x program. Any info out there for this would be appreciated.
I can only download US trails.

In the IDD System Info display, what is the version date of your "Trails" ?

Have you looked thru ALL of Canada looking for trails?

You haven't even told what province you are in. Ask your dealer if trails In your area are shown by the IDD GPS. It was the dealers job, as part of setup, to download the trails and maps to a USB flash drive and then update it to your IDD.

Your answers, may help get this resolved, I hope.
 

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We've been finding a lot people are down loading the file from RiderX but not un ziping the file, if this happens the message - file not found - will appear on the IDD ....
 

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We've been finding a lot people are down loading the file from RiderX but not un ziping the file, if this happens the message - file not found - will appear on the IDD ....
Thanks for that, I know its accurate.

Many of these new owners, are gearheads, not computer geeks. The instructions and the RiderX website, is a minefield. I think that is why Polaris told the dealers to download a trails and maps package, extract it to the USB flash drive and update it, as part of setup.

We've got a few weeks to sort this out.
 

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No it does not show any lakes or rivers on the display. I live in Ontario by the border and see the US rivers and lakes with the orange trail lines.
 

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No it does not show any lakes or rivers on the display. I live in Ontario by the border and see the US rivers and lakes with the orange trail lines.
Look at these 3 parts of the System Info to check version dates.

Config ____________ 2.7.10442 2014-07-28
Map data _ www,openstreetmap,org/copyright
_________________________ USA 2014-05-14
Trails _______________ US-SNO 2014-09-18

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tuna69,

Please type in the information in your System Info screen that is similar to the above. The text in RED is the most important...
 

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No it does not show any lakes or rivers on the display. I live in Ontario by the border and see the US rivers and lakes with the orange trail lines.
OK, thanks for clarifying that. Was hoping it would also replace my Garmin. I mean you did pay for a gps as part of it. What is one to do who is not familiar with the area they are in? Not all sledders ride on trails and if they do I am pretty sure 90% of trail riders do not stay on the trail.
What is the point of a gps if it is only made for trails. POO dropped the ball there IMO. Global Positioning System is meant for the user to be able to know where he is at all times. But what good would N66*33'25.6" W117*44'33.6" (one of my fave weekend trips) be if all you have is a coordinate but do not know what the surroundings supposed to be like or best route?

Not saying I do not like it. I bought it knowing the gps coordination wouldn't work, bought it so I can get error codes and bluetooth to cell is great.
 

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OK, thanks for clarifying that. Was hoping it would also replace my Garmin. I mean you did pay for a gps as part of it. What is one to do who is not familiar with the area they are in? Not all sledders ride on trails and if they do I am pretty sure 90% of trail riders do not stay on the trail.
What is the point of a gps if it is only made for trails. POO dropped the ball there IMO. Global Positioning System is meant for the user to be able to know where he is at all times. But what good would N66*33'25.6" W117*44'33.6" (one of my fave weekend trips) be if all you have is a coordinate but do not know what the surroundings supposed to be like or best route?

Not saying I do not like it. I bought it knowing the gps coordination wouldn't work, bought it so I can get error codes and bluetooth to cell is great.
You do realize, that I am asking tuna69 these questions, so I can maybe figure out what's wrong.

I've seen lakes and rivers displayed on the Canada maps.
 

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Sorry bout the distraction. Thought we were all able to talk about the topic? (guage,maps,programming, trail versions) I too want him to get it solved. But since he hasn't replied for a while figured I would have a chance to have my say of the system. If Poo isn't able to read it how would they know it's an issue with owners? Don't worry, I am done asking my Q's.
BTW thanks for all the help you are doing for the crowd, every sub-forum needs a guy as dedicated as you are.

EDIT-forgot to mention, the mountain riders will want this accessory also and there are no trails in the mountains so they would also need a proper GPS.
 
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