Let’s keep this for adult discussion. If you want to cry about it start your own baby thread.
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Here we go…The new breed 858
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I would like to see 170ish hp wiht the lighter Catalyst. The 155hp ProCross runs with the Doo 850's.
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Hope the mountain boys get their hands on some and put it through the paces. Love that Cat came to the party, but not gambling on first yr motor (from any manu). [emoji2937][emoji1696]
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When you consider the weight, new Adapt clutch, belt drive and steering that’s so lite it feels like power steering, this thing is going to be handful for the competition. Lets hope Cat has built in good longevity for the engine and that the drive system proves to be reliable and work as well as expected. I think we have a winner but time will tell.
From what I see so far I like the looks of the new gauge package.
It has that El-tigre styling Backdrop, And…. NO cell coverage needed !! Kudo’s to Cat !!
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It has that El-tigre styling Backdrop, And…. NO cell coverage needed !! Kudo’s to Cat !!
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Cat has certainly spent some money, glad to see they are answering to what many have been asking for. Has already brought back much excitement to my "cat" buddies that are riding other manufacturers units currently. I bet they get most of those guys back, good news!
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peak HP doesn’t win races. Show me the TQ curve.
They've talked about be 600 and old 800 cranks being the same. Do the 600 and 858 share the same crank? Do we know bore and stroke? These are two questions that will tell us a lot about the HP and torque numbers.
They kept the bore the same at 85mm and the stroke is now at 75,6mm.
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So 5.6 mm longer stroke, that’s how you make power, that’s the best way to add cc’s ..
The introduction video explains a lot. Motor mounts moulded in the new base allows it to sit lower than the 600. Weighs less than the 600 which they were looking for. The video is worth the time just skip some of the first crap.
New exhaust valve setup looks super slick, and I imagine it will provide a responsive experience with broad power delivery.
Cat says:
Push & Pull design
250% greater port height change
auxiliary port can grow 33% taller
roof of port remains smooth
valve remains tight to piston at all times
With the integrated engine mounting, look how low this thing sits in the chassis.
No they do not share the same crank. The 858 they stroked the crank to get extra cc. Same piston as the current 800. Makes me wonder if the 600 catalyst is a one hit wonder and they will bring out a 650 class sled soon. Exciting times for cat. I wish they would have had some closer to production models there. All they had were used and abused demo sleds. The ride position is similar to a Sno pro 500 and a Polaris. Sitting on a procross is like feels like sitting on an old ass dragger compared to the new stuff.
My math shows the current 600 bore and the new 858 stroke make a 650.
Let's hope that's the case for Cat riders. I've said it many, many times. The long stroke Pol 650 is a rocket ship on the trails up to 70ish. Absolute rocket ship.
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Hey now! I have to run my ass dragger one more year yet lol.
Put the engine in a sp500 and you will have catalyst like sled that isn’t $29,999
everyone that has that 650 seems to really like it. On paper it makes the same power as an out of the box F7 did.
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