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How much difference is there between a 58-42-46 and a 58-44-46? Can I use the second one of my snowmobile if I cannot find a replacement for the first?
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How much difference is there between a 58-42-46 and a 58-44-46? Can I use the second one of my snowmobile if I cannot find a replacement for the first?
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Yes. You may need to make an adjustment with weights in primary, or the spring. It will act similar to adding some primary weight. A spring with a little more finish force would be easiest and cheapest, unless you already have adjustable weights.
 

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How much difference is there between a 58-42-46 and a 58-44-46? Can I use the second one of my snowmobile if I cannot find a replacement for the first?
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58 degree is the start angle. both are the same. the last # 46 is the length of the 58 degree's then the rest of the shift is either 42 or 44. the 42 will top end a bit better then the 44 but not much of a difference.

you don't have to change anything using the second one.
 

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And wouldn't that require either a weight adjustment, or a primary spring with a little more finish force to get the rpm back?
Yep, usually more than likely when dealing with a button driven. Seems from the experience i've had working with these team rollers is that a 2 degree helix change isn't as critical as what you'd run into if a button driven.
 

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Right now I'm running 10-60s, but I have a set of 10-58s. Would the 58s counteract the loss of RPM with the 58-44-46 helix?
 

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Right now I'm running 10-60s, but I have a set of 10-58s. Would the 58s counteract the loss of RPM with the 58-44-46 helix?
It would but i've found it tends to go the other way with a roller. Keep loading the the clutching till the rpms fall off on top. I started out with 10-60's on my 600 that was all the tss-98 roller would handle with my primary setup. Going to the tied roller, i discovered i could load it more with the same primary setup plus the tied used steeper angles. Had to go to a 140/300 primary spring with 64 weights cut to 63 to obtain the same 8k rpm. In the end the sled was way faster to 1000' with a very slight increase in top speed. I use the .46 shift duration on the starting angle now also....use to be .36, another reason for being quicker.
 

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I've been running a TEAM Tied on my '03 Pro-X 600 for quite a few years. I'm switching to the stock TSS-98 to gain back some bottom end and to get rid of the can't-hold-a-steady-speed-down-the-trail phenomenon the Tied creates.

If I get the steeper helix for the TSS-98, I'll try it out with the 10-60s before I make any other changes.

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I've been running a TEAM Tied on my '03 Pro-X 600 for quite a few years. I'm switching to the stock TSS-98 to gain back some bottom end and to get rid of the can't-hold-a-steady-speed-down-the-trail phenomenon the Tied creates.

If I get the steeper helix for the TSS-98, I'll try it out with the 10-60s before I make any other changes.

Thanks for the help.
A Tied secondary needs a much steeper helix than normal in a typical TSS-04 or TSS-98. Around 14 deg higher. And can use a weaker spring as well.

The reason is that it gets load feedback via both sheaves. So, senses load much better. This may be why it doesn't hold rpm and doesn't upshift as quickly.

My Tied uses a 75-59 .46 helix as an example. It holds rpm perfectly. I use a red/blue 140-200 spring. This is on a 2015 Pro-S 800 HO.

See my testing:
https://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/929-rush-switchback-axys-platform/1237481-breaking-new-axys-800-ves-oil-36.html
 

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My tied holds rpm perfectly too...gotta believe something else is going on if not. I wouldn't trade the tied on my sled for going back to the tss-98. Some guys here running the tied on their 600 prefer a .36 duration than .46 for the trails here. This delivers a milder take-off.
 

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I've been running a TEAM Tied on my '03 Pro-X 600 for quite a few years. I'm switching to the stock TSS-98 to gain back some bottom end and to get rid of the can't-hold-a-steady-speed-down-the-trail phenomenon the Tied creates.

If I get the steeper helix for the TSS-98, I'll try it out with the 10-60s before I make any other changes.

Thanks for the help.
If your running a tied on a 600 why do use 60 weights...every 600 liberty carb motor i've set up needs at least 62 weights. What helix/springs are you running now?
 

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My 600 came with 58s. It was over-revving, so I changed to 60s, which brought the peak RPM down to the correct spot. (I had my tach calibrated before I made the change.)

With the TSS-98, I could lift the skis over any bumps in the trail. The Tied does not respond that way. Using my wife's 2007 XC500SP as a gauge, I know that I've lost some low-end.

current set-up:
Team 960000 helix (73-57, 73-59)
Team 210181 spring (140-200)

Once again, thank you to everyone who has replied.
 

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I've been running a 960048 71-57 .460 helix for the trails here with the red/blue spring.
Primary has 64 weights shaved to 63 with an slp 140/300 silver/blue spring.
Gearing 23/40
I'm using carbon tech mid tension reeds. Sled comes out hard, and will hold 7950 rpm right to top end. Its not setup to pull the skis but will get down the trail very quickly. Most i've held it to on a trail straight here was around 90 mpg and it was still climbing fast...speedo reading.
I've had other edge 600 years, but this 05 runs much like my 00 600 ves gen2 sled now.
 
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