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I hate to say it but I've never heard of so much trouble with a production snowmobile in my life. Thank God I decided to keep the ZR another year.

F7... Lemon of the year? Perhaps I'll have to give the REV a try next year if Cat can't get it's act together and build something better than a cobbled together near-prototype :angry: .
 

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well we never had a source like firecat info before to bitch & complain about the things we disliked about our sleds. keep in mind that not everyone on this forum is experiencing these problems and out of 1900+ members almost all are more than happy with their new f7. granted there isnt a lot of problems, that I know of, with the zr's, they have been around for a little longer so I guess you can say the zr's are proven. There is however 1 gripe that the zr owners have and I can back up, " man the f7 beats me top to bottom, I cant even catch him on the top end" :p :D :lol:
 

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I have run with 2 F7's on their maiden voyage, 1 stalled 3 times in 6 miles was returned to dealer and 400 miles later is flawless and NASTY!
#2 has not even faltered, plus the owner is a former Polaris rider, 135 miles later claims this is the last sled he will ever have to buy.
My F5 has exceeded my expectations with suspension adjustments and a few minor items that can be handled during routine maintenance. Far from what? fizzlecat?
 
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Originally posted by GF7PE@Dec 30 2002, 09:41 PM
well we never had a source like firecat info before to bitch & complain about the things we disliked about our sleds. keep in mind that not everyone on this forum is experiencing these problems and out of 1900+ members almost all are more than happy with their new f7. granted there isnt a lot of problems, that I know of, with the zr's, they have been around for a little longer so I guess you can say the zr's are proven. There is however 1 gripe that the zr owners have and I can back up, " man the f7 beats me top to bottom, I cant even catch him on the top end" :p :D :lol:
http://www.dootalk.com/forums/

These guys have a place to bitch and complain too. They whine about innacurate fuel gauges and rattling springs. But mostly they lavish praise on a sled, that it would seem, was engineered and built properly in it's first year. You don't hear all the sh*t about bolts rattling out, oil lines getting holes rubbed in them, and worst of all engines puking, overheating and crapping out hand over fist. Have you seen that freakin' oil line running a hair away from the primary? WTF is up with that? The F-Cats should still be on the drawing board IMHO <_< . Maybe after Cat's customers do their R&D for them the F-Cats will be decent sleds next year :mellow: .
 

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There is no question that the Firecats have some quality issues. They are however performing very well and have been very very dependable in our area so far. We have yet to have a failure that resulted in the sled having to be towed- that I am aware of. And as the sales manager at our dealership when a customers 8,000 sled has to be towed I am usually aware. The sleds also perform very very well. Our Alcan 200 machine was radaring 128 yesterday. The popularity of this site and the lack of snow in some areas has alot to do with all the hoopla going around. Guys who can't ride are going over their sleds with a fine tooth comb twice and discussing it with each other. As far as the Ski Doo site goes look at the number of topics and replies no where near the level of this site good or bad. I understand that people have had their firecats fail and that sucks. But the sled has been the best new sled fo us in many years. Hopefully they will continue to be good sleds. By the way we have called back approximately 50 F7s and 40 F5s for bleeding and have been able to get very few to take more coolant.
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As always I have to add something else. I believe this site will be the best thing for Arctic Cat's quality control-something we have been complaining to them about for many years. I expect to see a noticeable improvement in the 2004 models. We also sell Yamahas and they have much better fit and finish and quality control.
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Originally posted by nps@Dec 30 2002, 10:55 PM
As far as the Ski Doo site goes look at the number of topics and replies no where near the level of this site good or bad.
Think about this. How many times is a guy going to post how great he thinks his sled is? How many times is he going to post when he's constantly finding defects in his sled and/or getting towed home? Perhaps this might explain why we've got so much more traffic here than over there. Might it be so? <_< .
 

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catcandoo, you might be right about that. 1915 members are going to post alot more about everything than 143 members. In our area there are more firecats than revs. It would be interesting to no how they sold together nationwide?
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I haven't had any problems to speak of at 300 miles, but it seems that we are all driving race sleds. The fit and finish is not the greatest, but it makes up for it in racing ability. Maybe I got a good one, but I look for most of the stuff that's talked about on the forum and I can't find crap. Wires, tubes rubing, bolts loose, nothing yet. I do feel like this thing is not really put together well and taking out one bolt the thing would collapse, but it remindes me of race sleds. Just put together enough to kick the crap out of anything else made. These are not the Cadillacs of snowmobiles, if people wanted that they should buy 2 up cruisers, F7s are like funny cars, they may look funny, but they are built for speed. Not to get the groceries or ride with the wife and kids to Wally World.
 

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1madcat, I have found the same. I sell the things for a living so I might be biased but when I find a new topic I go check units at our store and rarely find the defect on the units at the store. We have sold many but still have plenty of both models in stock about 18 F5s and 12 F7s. The things that I am talking about are the routing and rubbing problems and such not the bulletins that apply to the model or vin #. We have had some rubbing issues on our first units that were delivered before we were aware of things to check and they were early build units. For example a Black F7 SP Patriot rubbed the servo motor harness through on the driven. Checked many other units and the routing was fine. Need better quality control yes. Lemons no. Also I know they all have the same MSRP and they should all have the build quality of the best one. They do need to work on that.
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Originally posted by dave cat 7@Dec 31 2002, 03:12 PM
apparently the rev owners are jealous they are getting beat so bad, they want to start some shit!!
Actually, most REV owners are admitting the F7 is a rocket. He's just a bonehead. The guy that has the Dootalk forum is friend of mine and he wants to keep that forum clean just like we do here. I'm leaving the topic here so people know it was just a troll. Marc
 

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For what it is worth - New Years Eve we (1 600 Poo, 1 700 Doo & my F7) were riding the ditches around tug hill. We were all having a blast taking turns bashing with each other's sleds. My buddies gave me more compliments on the handling & power than I ever thought was possible. The Doo guy did NOT want to trade back! The Poo guy could not get over how comfortable & nimble the sled was. :D Later after the doo was on it's windshield :blink: the pull chord pulled out of the recoil. The rope didn't break, but the wedge that holds the end of the rope in the recoil flew the coupe. All brands have issues. As for me I am having the time of my life on my F7. :wub: I really think this sled is one of many breakthroughs for this year. Absolutely no fizzle here - nothing but satisfaction. :)
 

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Is it worth the grief......YES YES and YES!

This is simply put the coolest, most amazing sled to come out of TRF since I've been buying sleds. A few small problems that perhaps could or should have been taken care of before delivery, but I'll put up with them to be able to ride an F7 anyday! :D
 

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I know you guys are not going to like this coming from a yamaha man, but my riding buddy has a F7 this sled flys!.Ialmost bought a new ZR 900,also have a friend with one of these. after driving the F7 on the trail there is not much difference between that and my SX700,in my opinion and also my buddy(F7 owner).except for power,handling wise my SX700 turns flater & takes the bumps just as good. I am sorry you guys are having so many problems with the F7. the winter is to short for anybody to have to wait for parts to ride.why don`t all the guys who arn`t having problums speak up I am sure there is more good ones than bad.
 

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I have between 400 and 500 miles on my F7.

I have had a few "minor" problems, that can all be dealt with.

1. rubbing pull cord. I fixed that with a PVC pipe fix.

2. A rear mounting bolt that attaches the rear of the skid to my sled came loose during my last ride. I had removed the skid to make studding the track easier, so I cannot say that it was AC's fault this screw backed out while riding, because I "reinstalled" the skid myself. I'm going to keep an eye on the skid bolts more before each ride. Just to be sure.

Other than that, I've experienced no other problems with my spring order F7 Standard, except for a snowflap that is getting sucked into the track. The reason for this is probably because the thing has so much freakin' power and accelleration, that the vacuum from the spinning track is pulling the flap under into the track.

When this happens, my heat exchanger is blocked because the snowflap will cover it and my engine will begin to overheat and go into a SES engine fail safe mode. The simple solution is to put a strap (like the sno-pro's have) on the .flap to keep it from getting sucked into the track.

I'm going to do this next, and perhaps gripe to AC about this since both my f7 standard and my friends f7 sno-pro version are sucking snowflaps into the track.

Other than that, the sled is just plain out amazing. (Not that this matters as different riders have different ability and fatigue factors can play a role on trail riding, but. . . the last time I was out a REV owner started to chase me on my Firecat after he saw me go by on the trail. These kind of things happen sometime and I'm not sure what version REV he had or his skill level. He couldn't keep up with the F7, I wasn't really even pushing the sled to it's limits at the time, but I was pushing the sled a bit.) As I metioned, this doesn't mean much. We did have some riders pass us when we were tired on one of our 180 mile rides. After riding on bumpy twisting trails you can get tired and slow down for safety, no matter the sled your riding on. . . even an f7. But the F7 is the best trail sled and is very much like an open mod sno-pro. It totally RIPS and dominates every other sled I've seen on the trails up to this point. I have talked to a number of REV riders on the trails. I have not done any drag races with them and none of them have asked to race, because they know that the f7 is fast and there's no point in having a race after reading all the posts about the speed of the f7.

Because the f7 is performing at such blistering levels of performance in both power and suspension handing, motoring or jumping over moguls, depending on how you want to approach them. . . it's taking a lot more punishment on a bump filled trail, than a ZR or other slower sled. It's simple physics, the f7 is faster and takes more bumps at a higher rate of speed. To be safe, it is a good idea to check those suspension bolts and other bolts in the skid more often, because as a rider your more likely to be punishing the f7 more on the trail than any other sled.

I HAVE BEEN TOTALLY AMAZED at the power and handling of the f7 (set the coupler to 2 last time out, which greatly reduced ski lift and lets it "rail" a lot more than with stock setting.)

The sled is a total animal on the trail, it just flat our rocks. I find it difficult to imagine that anyone could improve the performance of a trail sled beyond the f7, it's that good. My friend remarked that the wild thing about the f7's are they handle better than the older Sno-pro (ZR) on the rough stuff and while in flight, yet they have so MUCH POWER, that it's easy to get a "WARPING EFFECT" from the shear accelleration while riding one.

Interestingly enough, when talking to REV owners in the field while riding, probably 90% of them have told me they are still "dialing in" their suspension/handling and are not happy with the setup yet. Where in my case I just turned two blocks (took under 5 minutes) to set the coupling and I'm happy with it.

F7 . . . it's performance FAR OUTWEIGHTS the minor annoyances.

I smile whenever I think about trail riding. Also, I cannot honestly give a decent trail report anymore, because I love the bumpy trails almost as much as the freshly groomed trails. All the trails are now in "excellent condition" for my riding.

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