[senior]

I have an 05 Saber LX, this thing has the worst bog when started up cold! It won't even engage the clutch till it's warmed up. I know the 06 has the exhaust pipe sensor which with diff ECU is supposed to have cured this, but other than that is there any cures for the 05? Or is this maybe just a specific problem to my sled?
Thanks

 

[todduf7]

No problem with your sled. You solved your own problem. Your sled is still
too cold to take off. The ECU puts the sled in a safe mode until properly warmed up. Let your sled warm-up. :beerchug:

 

[C-notesnopro]

Originally posted by Senior@Sep 28 2005, 09:50 AM
I have an 05 Saber LX,  this thing has the worst bog when started up cold! It won't even engage the clutch till it's warmed up. I know the 06 has the exhaust pipe sensor which with diff ECU  is supposed to have cured this, but other than that is there any cures for the 05? Or is this maybe just a specific problem to my sled?
Thanks
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like i told you via pm last week, yours is the first i've heard of this, based on how many i saw reply in the other topic of yours on this issue, gotta' believe it's an isolated case as i've set up over 30 of those last season and had done 3(?) so far this season with no problems as yours,,, :dunno:

 

[senior]

From the answers on the other posts it seems a few other have this problem!
I should refine my bog statement! It may not be a rich condition as I see no black smoke out the exhaust. It's just a refusal to pick up revs! It may be normal on these EFI Cats to have to sit & wait till it warms up before you can drive away! It's just not something I'm used to, on my old Sxr you could flip it to 1/2 choke drive away, flip to no choke & putt along the trail till it warmed up. :div20:
On the early thread some-one said they added a pipe sensor for 06 to this sled to cure this, I have also read on an earlier sled rag the same thing.

 

[dead1dave]

Mine runs like crap until it warms up . Even if we stop on the trail for 15 min or so sometimes it drives away a litte funny . It's a pipe temp thing .

 

[user2]

Have 2-600 and 900 EFIs and they have too be warmed up. Water in coolers
has to reach 100 before they run. Its normal.

 

[128jetsnake]

Sometimes I'll start my sled to drive it in the garage when it's cold, I'll let it run for a few seconds, spin the track to free it up and then drive in with no problem. It smokes a little more but nothing severe. I'm good at warming up my sled but it's not like I'm pulling max power to the garage.

 

[djsf7]

Never had a bog like that. Can start mine and when still ice cold, drive away without a problem other than the usual spit and sputter (like from trailer to garage). Have to say, though, I have never actually driven on trails like this since I always let it warm up for at least 10 minutes.

As an added note - for other reasons, I've had my 04 ECU reprogrammed twice - first to the revised 04 program and then to the 05 program. Never affected cold run on the sled.

 

[clemons]

Originally posted by dead1dave@Sep 28 2005, 10:48 AM
Mine runs like crap until it warms up . Even if we stop on the trail for 15 min or so sometimes it drives away a litte funny . It's a pipe temp thing .
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mines the same way....

 

[AC-F7]

DJSF7,

How did the 05' reprogram work. I had mine reprogrammed to the revised 04' program and it was better but still not great. It seemed faster on top end but still real fat on the bottom. I would like to not have to go with a Boondocker box because it's pricey but I will if I have to. Let me know how yours worked.

As for the cold bog--mine runs rough until it is warm but I can still drive away right after I start it if I want.

AC-F7

 

[djsf7]

Originally posted by AC-F7@Sep 28 2005, 02:04 PM
DJSF7,

How did the 05' reprogram work. I had mine reprogrammed to the revised 04' program and it was better but still not great. It seemed faster on top end but still real fat on the bottom. I would like to not have to go with a Boondocker box because it's pricey but I will if I have to. Let me know how yours worked.

As for the cold bog--mine runs rough until it is warm but I can still drive away right after I start it if I want.

AC-F7
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Honestly, neither reprogram made a night/day difference but the 05 program seems to run crisper from low-midrange to top end versus the revised 04 but I think the revised 04 was a little cleaner down low. Overall, I'd say you should try to get your dealer to get an 05 program into yours.

 

[mdw800]

My 2002 800 EFI was a pig till it warmed up. Some times it would just run @ 200-300-rpms & I would shut it off & it went right up to the normal idle after that but you push the rpm's up too much & I almost went over the windshield it stalled so bad.
Warming it up is the best thing any way.
Mike

 

[AC-F7]

Originally posted by DJSF7@Sep 28 2005, 02:33 PM
Honestly, neither reprogram made a night/day difference but the 05 program seems to run crisper from low-midrange to top end versus the revised 04 but I think the revised 04 was a little cleaner down low.  Overall, I'd say you should try to get your dealer to get an 05 program into yours.
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Thanks for the input--I'll try the 05' program before I go spending big money on anything else. Thanks again.

AC-F7

 

[DonoBBD]

Originally posted by dead1dave@Sep 28 2005, 09:48 AM
Mine runs like crap until it warms up . Even if we stop on the trail for 15 min or so sometimes it drives away a litte funny . It's a pipe temp thing .
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I could tell when my sled got on the pipe too. Just needed to heat up the 05 a bit more.

 

[wastedwagesracing]

My 05 is the same I can let it idel for 5-10 minutes but it still takes 3-5 minutes of riding to get it out of the cold mode.

if you tried to take off to fast it would like shut down and go into a limp mode or something so i would keep it slow till it came out of it.

 

[djsf7]

Originally posted by wastedwagesracing@Sep 28 2005, 04:57 PM
My 05 is the same I can let it idel for 5-10 minutes but it still takes 3-5 minutes of riding to get it out of the cold mode.

if you tried to take off to fast it would like shut down and  go into a  limp mode or something so i would keep it slow till it came out of it.
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Wow - that's strange. My sled has NEVER acted this way. Even if I shut it down for 10-15 minutes, I can start it up and ride normal.

 

[arctic-cat-kid]

i thought you were supposed to let your sled warm up for like 5 or 10 minutes :dunno: i also thought it was hard on the engine if you didnt every day befor i went to school and its like 10 below i would let it warm up for a good 10 minutes

 

[DonoBBD]

Originally posted by arctic-cat-kid@Sep 28 2005, 11:02 PM
i thought you were supposed to let your sled warm up for like 5 or 10 minutes  :dunno:  i also thought it was hard on the engine if you didnt every day befor i went to school and its like 10 below i would let it warm up for a good 10 minutes
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Old school will call it cold sez. The piston gets realy hot fast......faster than the cylinder. Puts alot of side load on the piston and dinkkk....sez. Now with the hyperutectic pistons it is not as bad but the hyper act like a cast piston. With the liquid cool sled if there is no jiggle valve in the T stat the water in the coolers will be much cooler than the water in the motor. It can flash cool the cylinder and dinkkkk...sez. You want to warm up the motor enuff that the T stat opens up.

It is best to give the flipper and up and down brap brap to keep the extra choke fuel from dropping out of the air in the crank case because the crank case is cold too. It will stop it from loading up when warming up.

 

[built2crash]

I have a problem similar to this, first mine only ever starts on the 1st or 2nd pull when it has been rode for a while, otherwise 3-4 or 5 pullls when cold. not only that i have to let mine warm up for a very long time and it still bogs like crazy when i start off, it does smoke alot, so im thinking maybe turn down oil pump?? oh and I even fouled a set of plugs 150 miles after I got the thing, started back firing everytime I started it, changed plugs and no back fire.

 

[reveater]

warm it up until the heat exchangers start to get warm, that way the thermostat is open and all the coolant is warmed up