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Yes, history will show you how money, self interests, lobbying, etc effects both sides of the aisle. I vote republican, but I don’t have my blinders on..... aka I prefer the pork the Republicans push over the Democrats.......


As much as I don't agree with the Dems, both sides do it. I'm sure there is a list of republican BS that made its way in as well.
I seriously doubt that. What demonrats try to sneak in is pure pork-always! What Republicans try to sneak in is generally freedoms and relaxations of controls. Do some searching and you'll find this to be true throughout history.
 

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I seriously doubt that. What demonrats try to sneak in is pure pork-always! What Republicans try to sneak in is generally freedoms and relaxations of controls. Do some searching and you'll find this to be true throughout history.
You should do the research, both sides will disgust you.

In this case the Dems really fucked up. Really, really fucked up
 

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I posted about what gets "attached" to legislation. BOTH, ALL political parties do this. No one more than the other.

I spoke about what I found myself, here in CT, when I reviewed records at the archives in Hartford (our capitol).

I would post it, but because you are unable to do more than copy what you read in the text and it isn't something I can upload unfortunately. I just have my notes.

They all do this. Listen, I understand why I get picked apart here. I say things some don't agree with. I used to defend "my party" until I stopped REALLY being biased.

And I decided to look at everything differently. And then my poor head exploded.

I'm the first one to admit her faults. I have many. One thing I do have though is the ability to see all sides.

In my lifetime I have acted as the "referee" at work, home, with family and friends.

Being a "double Libra" (birth sign, sun and moon sign) my perception is always multi faceted. It can make "taking a side" really hard for me.

I don't like Don because I did work for him, long ago, long before he was a reality star, politician or otherwise. A total of 6 meetings, face to face. At trump tower.

I knew/know HOW he does business. Did any of you work for his organization?

And it really irks me that I get "labeled". Most of you do not know me. And I don't know you.

Someone called Chailleigh "Libby", and she posted a very funny "gun lover" video. See my point?

You and I are all in the same boat. I would rather paddle in sync with you than fight with you.
 

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I'd love to get my hands on those 1400 pages. I could get that read in a week. Maybe sooner. But legislation reads like tax law. It's fucking ridiculous. I'd need other reference material to ascertain "meanings" because case law and other legal crap is referenced in the text.

If anyone here (and I posted this on another huge forum) can get their hands on it pm me. (I'm no brainiac, but I was pre law before I changed my major and I'm a speed reader).
 

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I'd love to get my hands on those 1400 pages. I could get that read in a week. Maybe sooner. But legislation reads like tax law. It's fucking ridiculous. I'd need other reference material to ascertain "meanings" because case law and other legal crap is referenced in the text.

If anyone here (and I posted this on another huge forum) can get their hands on it pm me. (I'm no brainiac, but I was pre law before I changed my major and I'm a speed reader).
I think the time has come for we, the people, to have access to any proposed legislation before the vote.
 

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I'd love to get my hands on those 1400 pages. I could get that read in a week. Maybe sooner. But legislation reads like tax law. It's fucking ridiculous. I'd need other reference material to ascertain "meanings" because case law and other legal crap is referenced in the text.

If anyone here (and I posted this on another huge forum) can get their hands on it pm me. (I'm no brainiac, but I was pre law before I changed my major and I'm a speed reader).
I think the time has come for we, the people, to have access to any proposed legislation before the vote.
Oh ya. Generally the "docs" don't get released (accessible) until years later. All we get is anecdotal bull shit from one side or the other.
 

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It shouldn't surprise anyone with a brain that Pelosi is not holding a vote on the stimulus bill till tomorrow. No urgency. You folks who try to see both sides are kidding yourselves. This is all about them losing the last election and expecting to do it again. So, they'll take the country right down with them out of spite. GMAFB!
 

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It shouldn't surprise anyone with a brain that Pelosi is not holding a vote on the stimulus bill till tomorrow. No urgency. You folks who try to see both sides are kidding yourselves. This is all about them losing the last election and expecting to do it again. So, they'll take the country right down with them out of spite. GMAFB!
That is THEIR WAR. not ours. Both sides have to be involved. And the sooner more folks come to that conclusion the better off you and I will be.

We are all being played.
 

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That is THEIR WAR. not ours. Both sides have to be involved. And the sooner more folks come to that conclusion the better off you and I will be.

We are all being played.
A more lamebrained opinion I've never heard. This ranks right up there with "they're all crooks". If you voted for one of them, what does that make you?

Maybe you need to experience Communism for a change.:rolleyes:
 

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That is THEIR WAR. not ours. Both sides have to be involved. And the sooner more folks come to that conclusion the better off you and I will be.

We are all being played.
A more lamebrained opinion I've never heard. This ranks right up there with "they're all crooks". If you voted for one of them, what does that make you?

Maybe you need to experience Communism for a change.<img src="http://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0" alt="" title=":rolleyes:" class="inlineimg" />
You know, it would serve you well to refrain from calling someone "lamebrain". Especially me.

My brain works well enough that I can discuss sensitive topics without making things personal, especially with someone who responds like you.
 

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I posted about what gets "attached" to legislation. BOTH, ALL political parties do this. No one more than the other.

I spoke about what I found myself, here in CT, when I reviewed records at the archives in Hartford (our capitol).

I would post it, but because you are unable to do more than copy what you read in the text and it isn't something I can upload unfortunately. I just have my notes.

They all do this. Listen, I understand why I get picked apart here. I say things some don't agree with. I used to defend "my party" until I stopped REALLY being biased.

And I decided to look at everything differently. And then my poor head exploded.

I'm the first one to admit her faults. I have many. One thing I do have though is the ability to see all sides.

In my lifetime I have acted as the "referee" at work, home, with family and friends.

Being a "double Libra" (birth sign, sun and moon sign) my perception is always multi faceted. It can make "taking a side" really hard for me.

I don't like Don because I did work for him, long ago, long before he was a reality star, politician or otherwise. A total of 6 meetings, face to face. At trump tower.

I knew/know HOW he does business. Did any of you work for his organization?

And it really irks me that I get "labeled". Most of you do not know me. And I don't know you.

Someone called Chailleigh "Libby", and she posted a very funny "gun lover" video. See my point?

You and I are all in the same boat. I would rather paddle in sync with you than fight with you.
Hartford is full of scumbags, and weasels looking out only for their self interests. I've attended meetings in the past representing our company with those people. At that time they were not business friendly. Discussing anything with them is like talking to idiots.
 

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That is THEIR WAR. not ours. Both sides have to be involved. And the sooner more folks come to that conclusion the better off you and I will be.

We are all being played.
A more lamebrained opinion I've never heard. This ranks right up there with "they're all crooks". If you voted for one of them, what does that make you?

Maybe you need to experience Communism for a change.<img src="http://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0" alt="" title=":rolleyes:" class="inlineimg" />
Patriotic Innovations I know how strongly you feel about the Potus. Understand that many do not agree with you.

And it's easy to retort something stupid and ridiculous, and much harder to actually get down to the heart of a matter and intelligently "debate" an idea.

That's hard. But posting memes and jokes I will chuckle at. But I find those that can't make their argument without those things, well I can't take what they say seriously.

You obviously can't/won't listen (or care) what someone else believes or wants.
That is a real shortcoming.

I was taught I had 2 ears and one mouth for a reason.

We need to listen more to each other. And care about each other. As much as we care about ourselves.
 

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That is THEIR WAR. not ours. Both sides have to be involved. And the sooner more folks come to that conclusion the better off you and I will be.

We are all being played.
A more lamebrained opinion I've never heard. This ranks right up there with "they're all crooks". If you voted for one of them, what does that make you?

Maybe you need to experience Communism for a change.<img src="http://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0" alt="" title=":rolleyes:" class="inlineimg" />
Patriotic Innovations I know how strongly you feel about the Potus. Understand that many do not agree with you.

And it's easy to retort something stupid and ridiculous, and much harder to actually get down to the heart of a matter and intelligently "debate" an idea.

That's hard. But posting memes and jokes I will chuckle at. But I find those that can't make their argument without those things, well I can't take what they say seriously.

You obviously can't/won't listen (or care) what someone else believes or wants.
That is a real shortcoming.

I was taught I had 2 ears and one mouth for a reason.

We need to listen more to each other. And care about each other. As much as we care about ourselves.
How about just go away? It's clear you are the minority here.
 

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Patriotic Innovations I know how strongly you feel about the Potus. Understand that many do not agree with you.

And it's easy to retort something stupid and ridiculous, and much harder to actually get down to the heart of a matter and intelligently "debate" an idea.

That's hard. But posting memes and jokes I will chuckle at. But I find those that can't make their argument without those things, well I can't take what they say seriously.

You obviously can't/won't listen (or care) what someone else believes or wants.
That is a real shortcoming.

I was taught I had 2 ears and one mouth for a reason.

We need to listen more to each other. And care about each other. As much as we care about ourselves.
I absolutely don't take advice from folks who have obvious inability to think clearly. And I have a very acute sense of this.

I do my homework on things and form strong opinions on those things for good reason. They are almost always correct.

I certainly don't need lectured by someone like you. If everyone thought like you, we'd be hugging and kissing everyone who is obviously out to hurt us.

And that is a REAL shortcoming. :rolleyes:
 

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Patriotic Innovations I know how strongly you feel about the Potus. Understand that many do not agree with you.

And it's easy to retort something stupid and ridiculous, and much harder to actually get down to the heart of a matter and intelligently "debate" an idea.

That's hard. But posting memes and jokes I will chuckle at. But I find those that can't make their argument without those things, well I can't take what they say seriously.

You obviously can't/won't listen (or care) what someone else believes or wants.
That is a real shortcoming.

I was taught I had 2 ears and one mouth for a reason.

We need to listen more to each other. And care about each other. As much as we care about ourselves.
I absolutely don't take advice from folks who have obvious inability to think clearly. And I have a very acute sense of this.

I do my homework on things and form strong opinions on those things for good reason. They are almost always correct.

I certainly don't need lectured by someone like you. If everyone thought like you, we'd be hugging and kissing everyone who is obviously out to hurt us.

And that is a REAL shortcoming. <img src="http://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0" alt="" title=":rolleyes:" class="inlineimg" />
How about just be blunt and direct like I am?
 

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How about just go away? It's clear you are the minority here.
Cause it’s America. Should never squash (remove) people for talking in a conversation.

I wasn’t listened to (politically) and scolded if I said something, and made quiet until I ,and many others, like me voted for Trump. The world finally heard us. :)
 

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Thank you, all of you for making my point FOR ME. If you can't learn to work/debate/listen/learn/care about others, WHY SHOULD WE LISTEN TO YOU? Answer that for me.

This is America, the great MELTING POT. Founded on MANY VOICES.
 
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