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Holy shit. What dont guys understand. The damn weapons are not for hunting they are for defense foreign and domestic and a fail safe to oppressive rule. If you dont have the weapon of the day what good is it. Ask Poland how that worked. Muskets are not a defense to ak47s ,AR s etc. the founding fathers knew this. This why they didn’t try fending off the British with bows and arrows. Again ask the Indians how that works. You have to have basically the same tools to be able to further the intent of the 2nd amendment. It’s tye liberal dumb shit fucktards that keep muddying up the water. By saying the authors didn’t know we would hav AR 15s bullshit they didn’t. They may not have know exactly what it would be but they no different than us watched technology advance over the years. It’s was not then nor is it now. Mystery to think all things will evolve. They may have been ignorant of things we know today but that didn’t make them stupid, blind or oblivious to natural progression. That is just another liberal falsehood. That thier sheep eat up because they are mentally incapable of foresight themselves. Or just liars pick your poison. Wolves , polar bears , f7 end of rant. Lol
 

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keep killing school kids with guns, that'll learn 'em. lol Oh, better yet, ARM the teachers with guns to protect the kids from other kids that come in with AR.


yeah, that'll do it. LMFAO! Vicious circle that will never end in America.


when you think you're neighbor is your enemy, you'll always live in fear. The 2nd is outdated
Reminds me why I haven't set foot in Canada for the last 14 years. They've got nothing I want!

Think I hear True-dough calling you. Must be time for his back-rub.
 

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Well, just a little info for you friends in Canada. The firearms manufacture i worked for made a hand gun and the barrel length HAD to be 4.200 inches to be LEGAL in Canada. So every week we would produce hundreds to be sent to your fine country. Now this was just one line of firearms so guess someone up there has a few.
 

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Well, just a little info for you friends in Canada. The firearms manufacture i worked for made a hand gun and the barrel length HAD to be 4.200 inches to be LEGAL in Canada. So every week we would produce hundreds to be sent to your fine country. Now this was just one line of firearms so guess someone up there has a few.
The point?? I have a friends who's brother owns numerous handguns. You know what he had to do through to own them? It was not just a 2 day process with a background check. It was training, and courses. Months of time. And does that mean that they can carry them on their person? Only in limited situations. Very limited situations.
 

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What a thread .
Well I carry on a daily basis normally. Never when riding sleds, only because I like to ride hard and don't want the extra bulk.
But If my riding partner wants to carry, I am all for it.
God bless America. :flag_usa:
 

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IMO, the US is more gun oriented than many other countries because we have had to defend many of these countries when they were attacked by evildoers like Hitler, Mussolini, etc. Remember the term "Arsenal of Democracy"? Face it, we were once fed up with the never ending European wars and refused to enter WWII until the Japs forced our hand. This almost resulted in the loss of Democracy for the World. Lesson learned.

We've also become the weathiest country in the world.
This has generated/attracted lots more bad guys than other countries.
Many countries we've had to defend are Socialist leaning. This includes Canada, England, Mexico, and many others. They heavily regulate their citizens and apparently, these citizens have come to rely on "big brother" rather than themselves for all manner of things including healthcare, minimum wage levels, unions, etc. I lived in Canada for several years and graduated from High School there. My first wife came from Canada. I hear it all the time how Canadians are regulated and taxed to the hilt. They bitch about it all the time, yet can't seem to change it. This is why Canadians are dealing with high costs for nearly everything and lower living standards. The government doesn't dare allow citizens to have too many guns as they might revolt. BTW, this leads to illegal black marketing like in Russia, Cuba, China, Korea, Mexico, etc. We don't have much of that.
In this country, we are much more self-reliant and probably always will be.
Just be happy that you live near the best defender of Liberty in the entire World.:bc:

Lower living standards in Canada??? I think you've been away too long.
Not taking anything away from Americans but survey after survey says differently.
And on a side note, Canadians living to an average of 79.9 years and Americans 77.5 years.
 

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The point?? I have a friends who's brother owns numerous handguns. You know what he had to do through to own them? It was not just a 2 day process with a background check. It was training, and courses. Months of time. And does that mean that they can carry them on their person? Only in limited situations. Very limited situations. Point was, seems like someone up there wants them or we would not have had to hold to a certain tolerance just to export into another country.
 

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Doesn't take months to get your papers up here for papers, they put in a 30 day wait on processing just because they can.

We live a couple years longer so we can get all our taxes paid up!
 

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Lower living standards in Canada??? I think you've been away too long.
Not taking anything away from Americans but survey after survey says differently.
And on a side note, Canadians living to an average of 79.9 years and Americans 77.5 years.
Be careful of these kind of statistics.

A lot of the reason we have lower lifespans in this country is due to our Liberal ran cities and states. These cities have huge crime and drug problems caused mainly by failure of their own political politicians to teach them how to be responsible people. Lots of single mothers, deadbeat fathers, and on and on.

Take those people out of the statistics and we look pretty good.:bc:
 

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Be careful of these kind of statistics.

A lot of the reason we have lower lifespans in this country is due to our Liberal ran cities and states. These cities have huge crime and drug problems caused mainly by failure of their own political politicians to teach them how to be responsible people. Lots of single mothers, deadbeat fathers, and on and on.

Take those people out of the statistics and we look pretty good.:bc:
Yep, even in our state, all the larger cities run by liberals for years are a failure, higher crime rates, drugs, shootings, not to mention high poverty rates, and blight. Funny thing though, they keep electing these liberal losers every term, just to repeat the same cycle.
 

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Automatic weapons are not all banned. Holders of a Curio and Relic collectors license can own fully automatic weapons that are on the Curio and Relic list here in Minnesota as well as several other states. Dozens and dozens of automatic weapons on the list. You can own a perfectly serviceable and functioning M2 Browning 50 cal, Thompson, BAR, Sten, German MP40, or MG34. Any non-felon law abiding citizen can get a Curio and Relic license from the ATF. To buy the qualifying weapon the buyer purchases the weapon from a legal dealer, pays a $200 tax stamp, a six week background and waiting period and the weapon is yours. The weapon can only be sold to another Curio and Weapons license holder or licensed automatic weapons dealer by legal transfer. By the way. I do believe that the statistics show that no known recorded crime has ever been committed with a legally owned curio and relic automatic weapon in Minnesota history. So whats the problem. The chances of getting struck by lightening are far greater than getting shot with an automatic weapon. Probably the chances are about on par with being killed by a meteor as an automatic weapon.
the C&R license is simply the first step towards obtaining an automatic weapon and the 200 dollar, non refundable tax stamp application is not even a drop in the bucket of the cost of actually purchasing one.
and while i dont know how your state laws work in this regard, i can assure you that this state will not give out the license to anyone other than law enforcement.
 

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well guy, several states in the USA , you can legally BUY fully automatic weapons WITHOUT any LIC, its NOT needed
IN most all states where they ARE legal, if you qualify to OWN ANY legally classified firearm, you can OWN a Machine gun(AKA< class 3 weapon, )
I WAS a Class 3 dealer
I sold to general public and also law enforcement
the general public can ONLY buy guns from a certain pull of weapons, made in a certain period
they CANNOT buy brand new made, ONLY a class 3 dealer or law enforcement can buy NEW one's and they can ONLY be sold to like licensed party's!

TO BUY a class 3 weapon in the USA in states that they are legal, there is special paperwork that must be filled out and approved by the BATF< along with a 200 tax that is applied to that item each and every time it is sold

there has also only been a handful of crime EVER committed with a LEGALLY owned full auto weapon in the USA(last I recall I think the number was 2 , where one was used)
since they started selling this way, back in the 80's

if you asked anyone WHY they would BUY a Class 3/full auto weapon, its real simple, there an INVESTMENT! they increasde in value EVERY YR< unling most any other used gun out there an example
in the early 90's when I bought first M 16, full auto rifle, I paid $1200 bucks for it, the last one I sold in 2000 I sold for $26,000.00
NOT many things in life you can BUY< shoot enjoy, have fun with, and sell for a HUGE profit!, they increase in value if you use them or if you DON"T
Most all full auto's can be shot in semi auto mode, many even in single shot form as well.
they are collectible's to MOST due to how well they increase in value, the average buyer is NOT a POOR person, or uneducated person, or likely at all to commit ANY crime, they work hard to have the means to BUY and own them' they are NOT GUN nuts out to shot massive amounts of people, the FACTS PROVE THIS, due to so few LEGAL full auto's ever used in a crime!
 
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