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It seems used Boost or even carryover Boost are way down on resale value. Why is it that they lose value so quickly? Usually in the past when a sled model doesn’t hold value it’s because it has issues or something but the Boost doesn’t really seem to have any? I don’t like the p22 it comes with but that’s not the reason they lose half there value in one or two seasons.
 
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I think some are scared of the first year model.(23) and I think others are stand off ish because of the perceived complexity. I was kinda skeptical at first but I’ve been keeping a close eye on them and from what I see local dealers gave seen very few engine failures with the boost less than the 650 or solid 840s. Even with guys running them turned up on the trail. I personally belive the introduction of fuel into the base is a contributing factor to the reliability . I have a left over 25 boost assault set aside for myself now that I’m sure they hold up.
 
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holding there value over this way ok i think ? i haven't seen one for sale for under 15 granted not the time of year to sell sleds , yea ive seen a few in the past for cheap but i think payment or mama or both force that upon them .

On a positive note my dealer has 2 24 leftovers that were bought this summer at polaris online auction no 23s or 25s
 
#5 ·
In MY22 the Boost was only available in Mountain sleds. MY23 introduced flatland versions.
 
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Higher the msrp, the quicker they lose value. Its usually true with anything except real estate and especially true with high end/luxury vehicles. An excellent similar example to the boost would be a cadillac escalade. Look how cheap they become in just a few years
 
#16 ·
Well they do seem to come apart.
My buddy had a 23 and 24 and they both went down.Im pretty sure the 23 had some type of detonation issue for whatever reason.The clutch broke and a plug came loose in one weekend and then it was found to also have a hurt engine.
He loves the sled but has a backup 9r for this year since the boosts like to visit the dealer often.I will say his sleds get ridden pretty hard but as far as Im concerned it should be able to run wot every time its pointed straight otherwise it isnt good for shit.
 
#8 ·
I've seen some 24's over 7K off MSRP. in New England.
Not much different in the Midwest, dealers are trying to give them away. There are some new 24 Boost private sellers have had listed from $14,000-15,500 that have been sitting since last season. Some 23's in the area $10,000-12,500 and they are not selling. At this point it seems a VR1 850 24 older has more value than a Boost.
Higher the msrp, the quicker they lose value. Its usually true with anything except real estate and especially true with high end/luxury vehicles. An excellent similar example to the boost would be a cadillac escalade. Look how cheap they become in just a few years
I agree with that, I figured Boost would take a larger loss initially, but the market has dropped out on them. There seemed to be a big craze with 23 Boost when they came out but I wonder if that's tapered off so much because the average joe trail rider realized the Boost does very little for them on the trail and isn't worth the extra coin?
I think people still have the perception that a boosted 2 stroke won’t last long.
That could be it too. When I had mine listed last December, I had a lot of interest and what guys wanted was warranty with it because they seemed unsure. Even though mine still had a year of warranty left I couldn't get anyone to take it with only 100 miles on it and it was priced very reasonable at the time.
 
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Not much different in the Midwest, dealers are trying to give them away. There are some new 24 Boost private sellers have had listed from $14,000-15,500 that have been sitting since last season. Some 23's in the area $10,000-12,500 and they are not selling. At this point it seems a VR1 850 24 older has more value than a Boost.

I agree with that, I figured Boost would take a larger loss initially, but the market has dropped out on them. There seemed to be a big craze with 23 Boost when they came out but I wonder if that's tapered off so much because the average joe trail rider realized the Boost does very little for them on the trail and isn't worth the extra coin?

That could be it too. When I had mine listed last December, I had a lot of interest and what guys wanted was warranty with it because they seemed unsure. Even though mine still had a year of warranty left I couldn't get anyone to take it with only 100 miles on it and it was priced very reasonable at the time.
Internet works in weird ways ! Maybe they seen your constant bashing of the boost on HCS ?
 
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Only 100 miles and nobody wanted it? That's nuts, with normal miles I'd assume people think the sleds been ridden hard, I don't think mild riders are buying a boost, and with 100 miles if it was priced close to new then most would just say I'll buy new and have the backing of a dealer that I bought from, but you said your's was reasonably priced so I'd think somebody would want a "new" sled still with a warranty for a good deal, maybe the market for the trail boost really isnt there after the first year or two buzz. I wonder how long the trail boost will be in the line up? or even the 850? I'd think a 900 tuned and clutched properly for the trail would be a perfect medium.
 
#10 ·
I’m not seeing the price drops in this area wish I was. Maybe a location thing ? I’m not saying they set they set the world on fire but I know a couple guys that were getting 900s but after seeing good 850s giving them a hard time. They as myself shifted to boost. I guess there is something to be said for being able to ride all day at 185 - 205 and then turn it up for that grudge day. Personally I don’t think they run as fast as the power would indicate BUT….. with that being said it’s hard to beat the versatility of being able to change the power in moments proper fuel obviously must be on tap.
 
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I’m not seeing the price drops in this area wish I was. Maybe a location thing ? I’m not saying they set they set the world on fire but I know a couple guys that were getting 900s but after seeing good 850s giving them a hard time. They as myself shifted to boost. I guess there is something to be said for being able to ride all day at 185 - 205 and then turn it up for that grudge day. Personally I don’t think they run as fast as the power would indicate BUT….. with that being said it’s hard to beat the versatility of being able to change the power in moments proper fuel obviously must be on tap.
The 900 in stock tune form makes the same about hp as an 850...
I think at factory and lower hp tunes the Boost is making what they say. For pure top speed they definitely are not as fast as they should be for indicated hp but with a tiny turbine wheel and no intercooler it is what it is.
Take notice with your Boost when you go out and ride at the beginning of the day what the rpms are vs after you ride hard for 20-30min. Its gets much worse with a tune and or warmer day.
Internet works in weird ways ! Maybe they seen your constant bashing of the boost on HCS ?
I did enjoy it towards the end of the season. The p85 was working really well and the sled was running good with the 25 flash. Then I bought another NA 850, took it for a spin and decided the Boost is going back up for sale.
I was expecting that someone else besides me would bring this up. Many novices rely heavily on the so-called experts on HCS.
Don't forget the BS spouted by the expert BPRick that the OEM intake valve looses 27 hp due to air leakage. And the P-22 clutch is junk. And the statement that excess forward engine twist isn't a problem. And that the 2325 belt is too narrow when measured with a caliper. And on and on.

The biggest issue is the switch by Polaris to a shorter and narrower 2348 drivebelt on the 9-R and 2024 and newer Boost while retaining the proper width and length 1215 belt on the P-85 equipped sleds. This gives the clutching advantage to the NA 850. The proof of this is how using a P-85 and proper 1215 belt works better on those P-22 equipped sleds. Or using the proper 2325 belt with P-22 clutch works just as well, as it does on my 23 Boost.
Yeah, probably not why resale on Boost is horrible.
 
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In my opinion the trail boost is seen as either too complicated/ worried about warranty or ego inflation to most. Majority of trail market is perfectly happy on 650s and 850s. Simple economics no demand, decent supply equals lower price. The initial price tag scares most away so they sit and get discounted. Personally I like them, especially at elevation out west, which is where they shine. If I had more room and money lol I'd have a nice VR1 or Assault Boost sitting.
 
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Mike hopefully next year we get a 900 boost then when you say a 850n/a is just as fast we will all know you lost your marbles !
Hopefully they do and it comes with higher flowing turbo so it can take advantage of the extra cc and then I'll buy one of those.
My buddy bought a brand new “24 boost at a dealer last fall for $16,500.
Thats a big drop from msrp so I knew at that point the prices were really going to drop on those things by mid winter.
I paid a bit less then that for my 24 new and I thought I had a great deal at the time.
Well they do seem to come apart.
My buddy had a 23 and 24 and they both went down.Im pretty sure the 23 had some type of detonation issue for whatever reason.The clutch broke and a plug came loose in one weekend and then it was found to also have a hurt engine.
He loves the sled but has a backup 9r for this year since the boosts like to visit the dealer often.I will say his sleds get ridden pretty hard but as far as Im concerned it should be able to run wot every time its pointed straight otherwise it isnt good for shit.
Not saying none of them break but the Boost sleds I'm around have been very reliable other than the p22 clutches.
In my opinion the trail boost is seen as either too complicated/ worried about warranty or ego inflation to most. Majority of trail market is perfectly happy on 650s and 850s. Simple economics no demand, decent supply equals lower price. The initial price tag scares most away so they sit and get discounted. Personally I like them, especially at elevation out west, which is where they shine. If I had more room and money lol I'd have a nice VR1 or Assault Boost sitting.
I'll make you a deal on mine, runs better than most...

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Hopefully they do and it comes with higher flowing turbo so it can take advantage of the extra cc and then I'll buy one of those.

I paid a bit less then that for my 24 new and I thought I had a great deal at the time.

Not saying none of them break but the Boost sleds I'm around have been very reliable other than the p22 clutches.

I'll make you a deal on mine, runs better than most...

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Love the color!
 
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Mike , I wasn’t aware they play that rpm Game also. Wasnt there something about them loosening up protections at least on 25 tunes ? I think you ran a 25 stock tune also. Is the 25 more stable ?
Oh they do and funny no one talks about it. I never ran the 24 tune on the trail, only did lake testing with it at that time. I like the 25 flash better. It has timing and fuel changes, less of each. The 25 flash seems more forgiving with rpms and hits harder off the line. The rpm drop with the Boost isn't quite the same as NA. For the Boost its from heat soak, the turbo/intake temps get hot and it loses hp. The ECU is not cutting power down (as long as engine temps are not high). With an NA sled you slow down, let it idle and it recovers right away, or as fast as the egt's come down. The Boost needs a full cool down to recover. The first time I trail rode it I thought wtf is this going on. Called my buddy and he laughed, he said a warmer day are even worse and we always under clutch ours for trail and the pump gas tuned ones are more affected. A different friend and me had our Boost on the lake, it was 40+F out. His sled had a pump gas tune in it and was noticeably slowing down as we made passes. Eventually after making runs his 210+hp trail tuned Boost ran the same exact numbers mine was running with the 25 flash.
Love the color!
Thanks! That color is actually painted on too, unlike the rest with colored plastic that scratches if you look at it wrong lol.
 
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Oh they do and funny no one talks about it. I never ran the 24 tune on the trail, only did lake testing with it at that time. I like the 25 flash better. It has timing and fuel changes, less of each. The 25 flash seems more forgiving with rpms and hits harder off the line. The rpm drop with the Boost isn't quite the same as NA. For the Boost its from heat soak, the turbo/intake temps get hot and it loses hp. The ECU is not cutting power down (as long as engine temps are not high). With an NA sled you slow down, let it idle and it recovers right away, or as fast as the egt's come down. The Boost needs a full cool down to recover. The first time I trail rode it I thought wtf is this going on. Called my buddy and he laughed, he said a warmer day are even worse and we always under clutch ours for trail and the pump gas tuned ones are more affected. A different friend and me had our Boost on the lake, it was 40+F out. His sled had a pump gas tune in it and was noticeably slowing down as we made passes. Eventually after making runs his 210+hp trail tuned Boost ran the same exact numbers mine was running with the 25 flash.

Thanks! That color is actually painted on too, unlike the rest with colored plastic that scratches if you look at it wrong lol.
Would an aftermarket water/meth system be viable on one of these? Not sure if anyone has tried or mentioned that before? Maybe. It works for skidoo.
 
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Guys in my group with “upgraded” after market turbos and partial and or full race gas tunes, have learned they need to run with their scratchers down on the trail pretty much all the time (even in good snow conditions it seems) to keep the power from falling off

yes we burn/waste Pails of fuel just trail riding hot around here sometimes
 
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I think this is a situation where Polaris felt the market needed a Boost, so they made, then realized people didn't actually want to buy it. The fact that the first version didn't run all that well didn't help and then throw in the standard "low snow years" comment. I feel Polaris muddied the waters with the 9R. A stock N/A 850 isn't exaclty a slouch. When there isn't a night a day difference between an 850 compared to a Boost and 9R, it's a tough sell to get thousands of dollars more, and also get less warranty.

If I'm Polaris I'd make the Snowcheck deposit $2,500 on premium sleds. It's too easy to walk away from $500 on a $25,000 sled and it leaves the dealer stranded. They need to drastically reduce the price, well beyond $500 to move that sled. And that's not been easy the past two years.
 
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Damn I wish. Around me the 22's are cheap cause they had lots of issues but the 23's, 24's, 25's seem to be holding their value better than the Doo turbos. Which sucks cause I'm looking for a 24 165 khaos.
 
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I think this is a situation where Polaris felt the market needed a Boost, so they made, then realized people didn't actually want to buy it. The fact that the first version didn't run all that well didn't help and then throw in the standard "low snow years" comment. I feel Polaris muddied the waters with the 9R. A stock N/A 850 isn't exaclty a slouch. When there isn't a night a day difference between an 850 compared to a Boost and 9R, it's a tough sell to get thousands of dollars more, and also get less warranty.

If I'm Polaris I'd make the Snowcheck deposit $2,500 on premium sleds. It's too easy to walk away from $500 on a $25,000 sled and it leaves the dealer stranded. They need to drastically reduce the price, well beyond $500 to move that sled. And that's not been easy the past two years.
Exactly, there isn’t a night and day difference between a NA 850, Boost and a 9r in stock form and for the prices, there should be. The 9r and 850 make about the same and the Boost is up 15 but it’s heavier. The Boost shines in more open areas and upper midrange speeds.
I think reliability is about the same with those three sleds if you don’t consider the p22 clutch. I wonder if the real reason the Boost and 9r come with less warranty is to entice buyers to purchase more warranty.
Damn I wish. Around me the 22's are cheap cause they had lots of issues but the 23's, 24's, 25's seem to be holding their value better than the Doo turbos. Which sucks cause I'm looking for a 24 165 khaos.
The Doo turbos are complete turds
 
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Exactly, there isn’t a night and day difference between a NA 850, Boost and a 9r in stock form and for the prices, there should be. The 9r and 850 make about the same and the Boost is up 15 but it’s heavier. The Boost shines in more open areas and upper midrange speeds.
I think reliability is about the same with those three sleds if you don’t consider the p22 clutch. I wonder if the real reason the Boost and 9r come with less warranty is to entice buyers to purchase more warranty.

The Doo turbos are complete turds
I'm out west near Revelstoke. The Doo turbo owns the mountain marketshare out here and they work well. I had a good working Alpha (tune, pipe) and my bone stock G4T eats it for breakfast. The Polaris has a way better chassis for tree riding though.
 
#39 ·
There will always be a market for cutting edge performance trail sleds. I just feel the market is getting smaller and smaller every year. Far more guys seem to want to put money in their sleds that ride back country. I've never been to Tug Hill and can't speak for what goes on around St. Germain, but most guys would rather have a reliable sled that can handle 2,000 to 4,000 trouble free miles than an extra 15-20HP and having thier clutch explode.

I ride a lowly little 650 SBA. That thing makes about 135-138HP. It used to be back in the day to do that with a 650 you needed a set of Decker pipes, porting, probably some carb work, and milled head. Your left pocket was filled with main jets and your right was filled with spark plugs. It tried to kill you at every corner.

I do not think sled development will end, but we may be reaching the pinnacle.
 
#42 ·
my big race tune friends haven’t seen any internal issues. Plenty of external stuff though. Clutch bolts, motor mounts and bolts, that plastic chain adjuster thing that you guys say has been around a while with no problems (I’ve seen three of those let go), waste gate actuators and linkage parts. Going fast isn’t ever cheap anyway. Still cheaper than what I use to spend on big bites/porting/pipes 20 years ago. And 2x the gain. Or more
 
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Ya the 24s or 25 I forget which got a bad run of exhaust valve actuators. My dealer has change more on that specific year than all the others put together. I switch mine to an aluminum block that holds the tensioner puck. The pitch holder is crap and the bots literally can screw right through them if the slider doesn’t move in the cover side we’ll