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Well, I finally did it yesterday. I am still pissed that I am forced to support SSA. I guess that is the joy of living in a socialist province. I find it down right assinine that the additional trail pass money nearly doubled the registration of my sleds. All for the 50 miles or so of groomed trail riding we will be doing over newyears with the kids. I even registered my son's sled as it will be driven on public land by an adult. So then if I get let's say on a high side, 100 miles / sled. That will work out to $.47 a mile. Sad part is that all the trail riding will be done in Manitoba. Oh well, I feel better venting now.
 

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Another cry baby about how much a hobby costs????

Suck it up people!!!

WHAT PART OF SLEDDING IS CHEAP???? PLEASE LET ME KNOW????

$100.00 won't even pay for a normal days ride if you account for gas, oil, meals. At least that money goes to what the majority of sledder do..... TRAIL RIDE!!

I'm not big into trail riding but most sledders are and we're all in this sport together!!
 

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See that is where I feel you are wrong. Let the ones who want the trail system pay for it. I never bought plates last year. Probably of wouldn't this year, until the DW wanted to go to the cabin for the weekend. Crybaby? hardly. Tell you what since you don't seem to care how much it costs, maybe you should re-imburse me? I said it before, the next step is 100 a year extra. I sure as hell don't need someone taking my money from me for nothing in return.
 

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And to add to my reply...

Please show me where the majority of sledders wanted this?
Surely you don't mean that laughable survey SSA did last year. Yeah right I guess there are only 1200 sleds in the province.
 

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I'm not big into trail riding but most sledders are and we're all in this sport together!![/b]
Actually that is an incorrect statement,... According to industry market research for North America from a SNOW TECH article:

"rough trail riders make up the largest segment of the market; 35% of riders fall into this category. Trail riders (groomed) make up 29% of the riders, while mountain riders account for 21%. Two-up types are 10% of the total, with a remaining 5% being work and utility and other types."

so the majority do not ride groomed trails!

greezemonkey: enjoy the riding with the family! At least you are honest enough to pay even when you only use the trails once, unlike the majority and even groomed trail supporters (as witnessed by people from Candle Lake last year who wrote lettters supporting the combined pass and then did not buy plates because "we are only going to use the groomed trails a few times this year" hypocrites!)
 

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I competely agree with you Greezmonkey, I haven't been on a groomed trail in 6 years, yet I pay trail fees every year with my plates. This year I haven't plated my 2 sleds, but then when I'm rolling through town to get gas, if the wrong people are there I get stopped and ticketed. Trail fees need to be paid, and trail need to be maintained, but you should have the choice. There isn't a groomer or groomed trail within 60 miles of me, and we don't trailer there just to ride the trail when the snow around home is this good. Trail fees need to be there, but it should be a choice. IMO.
 

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I have always bought plates. I don't want a huge fine for an unregistered sled, if you are in the ditch or on trails you need them it's simple. The only way around it is to ride on your own land. As for money going to SSA it's only $40.00 a year the rest goes to SGI. The rest of the money is cover your ass for liability if you do something stupid.

As for the Candle Lake coment I agree way to many people skip out on plates. the snow drifter's actually did better when the permit's where sold privatly for $ 80.00, many palces only groom their trails a couple times a year and candle has over 500 km of groamed trails that need to be groomed every 2 or 3 weeks.

My plates are $95.00 for 4 months if you can't handle this which is the smallest expense of the year for most people you better sell your sled and buy some cross country ski's.
 

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Deep Freeze:

You and I always seem to be on the same page when it comes to this. Don't get me started on land use..... lol
Will do. I am sure it is going to be a great time. My son is a little peaved b/c he is only 8 and will not be able to drive, but I will let him on the lake and probably a little on the hydroline with me bihind him. I still trust his driving compared to some guys I have seen in the past. We are taking my Mom up with us and she hasn't been on a sled for 20 years, so she will be driving my son's 340.

RMK 600:

If you read back to some of the things DF and I have said in the past, you will realize it is not the money, more so the way it was STOLEN - that's right STOLEN from us. Sure we can sit back and do nothing, and watch our entire sport go the way of the dinosaurs. Plus that $40 is per sled..... For me personally that is $160 for nothing, if I were to register both my son's and daughter's sleds, but why bother, they are 8 and 10. Kind of had to register one this year.

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I also heard people already complaining about people riding on trails with mountain sleds. How long till they don't let them on the trails? Then what? Do I get $40 back for my Summit........ Sorry, I highly doubt it. The next step is limiting what sled can ride the trails, then size, etc, etc.
 

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RMK 600:

If you read back to some of the things DF and I have said in the past, you will realize it is not the money, more so the way it was STOLEN - that's right STOLEN from us. Sure we can sit back and do nothing, and watch our entire sport go the way of the dinosaurs. Plus that $40 is per sled..... For me personally that is $160 for nothing, if I were to register both my son's and daughter's sleds, but why bother, they are 8 and 10. Kind of had to register one this year.

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I also heard people already complaining about people riding on trails with mountain sleds. How long till they don't let them on the trails? Then what? Do I get $40 back for my Summit........ Sorry, I highly doubt it. The next step is limiting what sled can ride the trails, then size, etc, etc.
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I hear ya we plate 4 sleds a year seems crazy because two of only get ridden a couple times a year. I would rather ride fields, ditches and lakes than trails any day. if they don't let mountain sleds on trails who would enforce it. It's the same as not plating your sled, i've only been stopped by the cops once and that was in the ditch by P.A. alot of people have 2" tracks and thats all they ride. I put on a few trail miles but just to get where I'm goin. I've seen alot of 1.25" tracks that do more damge than a mountain sled, maybe because the track ona mountain sled is longer so it does less damage. your absolutly right though where do they draw line no studs, OEM tracks only who knows. I just wish sled insurance didn't cost so much!
 

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10-4 on the insurance. We only have ourselves to thank. If snowmobilers wouldn't have abused the system so much years ago, it would still be reasonable. I still carry some extra insurance, but it doesn't cover collision. I quit that back when I bought my 98 in 00. I was looking at a new FST switchback this year, and I would not insure that either, but decided to wait till next year and try and get a ride on one this year to see what they are like.
 

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I disagree with you that its a waste of money, but on the other hand if we payed the fee to support the SSA, where are the groomed trails? i heard rosevalley area is groomed already and Humboldt has just the signs and markers up.(no groomer) I just hope it gets groomed before end of january so that we can use the trail atleast for 3 weeks or so.Then it will be worth the money.
 

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10-4 on the insurance. We only have ourselves to thank. If snowmobilers wouldn't have abused the system so much years ago, it would still be reasonable. I still carry some extra insurance, but it doesn't cover collision. I quit that back when I bought my 98 in 00. I was looking at a new FST switchback this year, and I would not insure that either, but decided to wait till next year and try and get a ride on one this year to see what they are like.[/b]
Yep that's the problem people would just total their sled at the end of winter and get paid out for it and do it all over again the next year. It's one way to keep buying new sleds and never cost you anything i guess.
 

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I think people are ridiculous. We pay hundreds of dollars in meaningless tax a DAY for whatever you buy, groceries, alcohol, smokes, gas, EVERYTHING, please show me where I am getting something for all that tax money. Not to mention the 45% off my paycheck.

Now I'm going to start worrying about $40 going to the SSA ?????

I DON'T FU**ING THINK SO!!!!!

Don't sled if you can't pay the $40 !!!! Who cares if they roll up the $40 and smoke it, I could give a FU** less, the government wastes way more of my tax in a day then the SSA will in my lifetime!!
 

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I think people are ridiculous. We pay hundreds of dollars in meaningless tax a DAY for whatever you buy, groceries, alcohol, smokes, gas, EVERYTHING, please show me where I am getting something for all that tax money. Not to mention the 45% off my paycheck.

Now I'm going to start worrying about $40 going to the SSA ?????

I DON'T FU**ING THINK SO!!!!!

Don't sled if you can't pay the $40 !!!! Who cares if they roll up the $40 and smoke it, I could give a FU** less, the government wastes way more of my tax in a day then the SSA will in my lifetime!![/b]
Ahem... roads, hospitals, if you are paying 45% income tax I am assuming you have at least grade 12 so, education (you should really talk to someone about tax shelters though, no reason to give away 45% but I digress) groceries (ya' really think $1.29 is what it costs to produce a loaf of bread? this is why I rent my farmland out and don't work it) police, etc... these are all paid by your tax dollars. Also some really fine meals, monogramed golf balls, and mansions in Ottawa and Quebec but those are different topics for a different forum.

The SSA is a private association so if you choose to build a little bonfire in the SSA parking lot with a couple fivers (dam loonies and toonies that won't burn!) hey...that's your choice, donate it to the KKK or UNICEF for all I care, but don't expect everyone to who is forced to donate to a private association they have no link to (and especially one who takes the money and won't return it to an area) so that they qualify for insurance from a public agency, to do so with no objection! Do you relish donating to SIR or Bridgecity Speedway so that you can plate you car every year? How about donating to the Horticultural Society so that you can insure your house? Now make those donations every year and not have any inkling as to what the amount next year could be, or have any control of your funds being spent in La Loche while the trees on your street wither ... but you have to pay or else no house insurance for you. It seems that you are hung up on the dollar figure and not the precendent that has been set.

I also do care as to how my money is spent, take a look at what is happening in BC right now: competeing provincial snowmobile associations because some people and clubs had enough of the smoke and mirrors and old boy's club favoritism in the old association and splintered to form a new one.
 

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Ahem... roads, hospitals, if you are paying 45% income tax I am assuming you have at least grade 12 so, education (you should really talk to someone about tax shelters though, no reason to give away 45% but I digress) groceries (ya' really think $1.29 is what it costs to produce a loaf of bread? this is why I rent my farmland out and don't work it) police, etc... these are all paid by your tax dollars. Also some really fine meals, monogramed golf balls, and mansions in Ottawa and Quebec but those are different topics for a different forum.

The SSA is a private association so if you choose to build a little bonfire in the SSA parking lot with a couple fivers (dam loonies and toonies that won't burn!) hey...that's your choice, donate it to the KKK or UNICEF for all I care, but don't expect everyone to who is forced to donate to a private association they have no link to (and especially one who takes the money and won't return it to an area) so that they qualify for insurance from a public agency, to do so with no objection! Do you relish donating to SIR or Bridgecity Speedway so that you can plate you car every year? How about donating to the Horticultural Society so that you can insure your house? Now make those donations every year and not have any inkling as to what the amount next year could be, or have any control of your funds being spent in La Loche while the trees on your street wither ... but you have to pay or else no house insurance for you. It seems that you are hung up on the dollar figure and not the precendent that has been set.

I also do care as to how my money is spent, take a look at what is happening in BC right now: competeing provincial snowmobile associations because some people and clubs had enough of the smoke and mirrors and old boy's club favoritism in the old association and splintered to form a new one.[/b]

To be honest with you I have no idea how the SSA is ran and I frankly don't give a shit. But if it costs me $40.00 a year, in case I want to go for a rip on a trail, or even if I don't touch a trail such as last year, who gives a shit!

PS. When you can show me where each and every dollar of your hard earned tax dollar goes and how it helps you personally and not others in different areas of the country & province, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!

I don't really know what the SSA did to you and I really don't care, all I'm getting at is we as a taxpaying public get fu**ed daily, so is $40 going to get me worried..... I DON'T THINK SO!!
 

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You seem to be missing the point. The $40 has nothing to do with taxes. Zip, nada, zilch. It has everything to do with screwing us over for a private association. You don't care, great, that's fine and your right. I and many other landowners do.
 

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You seem to be missing the point. The $40 has nothing to do with taxes. Zip, nada, zilch. It has everything to do with screwing us over for a private association. You don't care, great, that's fine and your right. I and many other landowners do.[/b]

I think you are missing the point, because it's private it's wrong to get screwed??? How is that worse then Government???

It's $40, if you can't find a way to pay it............ DON'T SLED!!! :div20:
 

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Whatever..... been said before not a money issue. Apparently you don't seem to care when you get screwed over or stole from. good luck with that and good sledding.
 
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