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Ya it was a knock against cat or f7s it was a joke about all the stuff an old member used to say. I had 2 f7s. 03 05. Still have 03. It is pretty fast and reliable but that is all it does. The 05 was reliable and that’s all.
 

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Meanwhile out on the pond ,running through the slew ,racing myself , setting world records in a class of one, bone stock sled (not counting pipe mod , race ecu, cut head etc ) ...................F7
You forgot "Running the number" 👍
 

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The 2014 Sled of the Year was a ProCross 600, or El Tigre. Not exactly yesterday, but it shows how well rounded that setup was and is. It's also responsible for countless podium wins in the 600 class, winning historic percentages just a few years ago.
Nice. A lester's award from six years ago somehow makes the cat 600 the best engine in it's class. It won that award because those nitwit's made ridiculous comments like the "Poo was a colder ride." I wouldn't trust the lester's to decide which can of pork and beans tastes best let alone decide which sled to buy based on one of their reviews. I gotta say you and dumstad do keep fighting the fight for cat.

To your comments about being brand biased. I used to be a die hard cat coolaid drinking superfan like you two but left when they decided to drop the ball on product quality and innovation. The only way they will be getting any more of my money is to earn it. So far, year in and year out they are consistent at one thing - continually losing ground to the competition in all areas of new sled technology that is significant to everyday riders - not racers.

When I ordered my new 2020 I gave them an actual shot. I test rode a Sidewinder at my dealer. I priced out a new one along with a tcat (even though my go to cat dealer dropped them two years ago). After comparing everything I went with the sled that offered the most of what I am looking for in a modern sled. IF I had been looking at a new two stroke I would have test ridden a Polaris right along with Doo (my dealer sells both along with Yamaha) and again laid my money down for the sled that checked the most boxes.

In the end it makes zero sense to defend your brand to the death. They are not paying for your toys.
 

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Nice. A lester's award from six years ago somehow makes the cat 600 the best engine in it's class.
The point was that, the motor is solid, the overall machine is well rounded and performs well.
No one said it was the best engine, just a well executed one.

To your comments about being brand biased. I used to be a die hard cat coolaid drinking superfan like you two but left when they decided to drop the ball on product quality and innovation
I don't defend Cat's execution, or try to change what is.
A good amount of the riff raff they receive is warranted, they haven't handled some things well, for sure.
The last brand new sled I bought was a Yamaha in 2015 (Viper XTX 141 w/ Turbo option).

But I am being completely honest to myself and others when I say, I think their innovation has been pretty good.
The Alpha skid being a good example.
I also think the quality/reliability of the 2020/21's is on par with the competition.
I really do, I would give Doo and Poo the edge, for sure, but IMO its just not a night and day difference.
In all honestly I really like the Renegade X, it would be between that and a 998 with a 137" track if I was sno-checking.
I really like the new Doo's look, and how you can ride lazy as alot of the weight is on the front ski's.

What about Stinki?
Something you would like?
 

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You can F the right off, ya putz. If you're making that statement based on my response to the word you used ... I'd love to introduce you to my best friend and his awesome daughter who's got Down's. I used that word on a regular basis for years, and now it hits a little closer to home so I cringe a bit when I hear it. Lumping me in as some sort of liberal / socialist just affirms my belief that you are an idiot. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt early on, considering you a troll ... but no, you're an idiot. You are what gives good Cat riders a bad name.
I sure can, but it is just a word and I am tired of words being twisted and bent to fit an agenda. Close neighbor of mine also has a son with down's. Not talking about them. I am talking the liberal left telling us what we ca and can't use as words anymore. Washington Redskins! I live on a res and have yet to meet one person offended by it but a few white assholes! Fighting Sioux! My favorite hockey college team. They changed the name, but once they announce it on the PA, the Boos are so loud and everyone is wearing Sioux garb that they just call them the University of North Dakota. Words do not matter! They are just words. Actions are what counts.
 

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I sure can, but it is just a word and I am tired of words being twisted and bent to fit an agenda. Close neighbor of mine also has a son with down's. Not talking about them. I am talking the liberal left telling us what we ca and can't use as words anymore. Washington Redskins! I live on a res and have yet to meet one person offended by it but a few white assholes! Fighting Sioux! My favorite hockey college team. They changed the name, but once they announce it on the PA, the Boos are so loud and everyone is wearing Sioux garb that they just call them the University of North Dakota. Words do not matter! They are just words. Actions are what counts.
If words don't matter ... bring your ass down here and say that word in front of my buddy and his daughter. I'll gladly pay whatever legal bills he'll end up with for teaching you a lesson you'll never forget. Back to the ignore option you go - you're a waste of bandwidth on this site.
 

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If words don't matter ... bring your ass down here and say that word in front of my buddy and his daughter. I'll gladly pay whatever legal bills he'll end up with for teaching you a lesson you'll never forget. Back to the ignore option you go - you're a waste of bandwidth on this site.
forgot about the "ignore" function....thanks!!
 

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i know you are but what am i ?'

that where were at fellas?

listen , cats clearly going out of business.we can discuss the much better yamaha sleds of similar ilk but in all reality, even those are are niche market well behind in sales of the top 2 manufacturers, and thats a well made cat, let alone the presidents choice' no name knock off brand yammie that is cat these days.

must be all the dominance ....i guess...
 

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i ride a dinosaur polaris, things 13 years old, but thats like 3 years old in cat years.
 

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i know you are but what am i ?'

that where were at fellas?

listen , cats clearly going out of business.we can discuss the much better yamaha sleds of similar ilk but in all reality, even those are are niche market well behind in sales of the top 2 manufacturers, and thats a well made cat, let alone the presidents choice' no name knock off brand yammie that is cat these days.

must be all the dominance ....i guess...
Must be why they went all in back in to racing. You truly are a dipshit, but if there is a God, there is probably a reason for your existence. The world needs shit movers.
 

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