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2023 Info/Updates from Polaris

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#1 · (Edited)
Edited 3/3/2022
I had my Ambassador call this past Tuesday night. One of the Polaris engineers hosted the call. We had a good Q&A session. They learned a lot over the last year.
The Covid related shortages were a bigger challenge than anticipated. They are making changes so this will never happen again. This is why you are seeing limited numbers of models available. Here's the info from my call.

1. Polaris manufacturers both off road, snow, and military vehicles @ the Roseau manufacturing plant. Because they are now producing more snow vehicles than in years past, they are moving off-road manufacturing to another plant. This is to make more assembly lines available for sled production. In the past, sled production began after SnowCheck orders were in. Snowmobile production will now be year round. 2 shifts per production day. They are already starting production of 2023's. Dealer stocking units will be produced before SnowChecked sleds. This way dealers will have inventory coming in during the summer for fall sales. This is a big change from the past. Dealer allocation is also changing.
Polaris is determined to have ALL Snow Checks delivered by Dec 31st 2022.

2. Because there is still a microchip shortage, because of this, next season's 7S Display will not be Wi-Fi enabled. Updates can still be done via USB sticks.

3. Patriot Boost 850 Trail Turbo's: The ECU does not speed limit the sled. Go as fast as you dare!
These sleds will also have the same clutching as the Boosted Mountain sleds. No more belt deflection adjustments needs. There will be different springs and weights.
All the tracks for both Assault and VR1, are speed rated (R) from Camso. This is why the Assault only has 2 track choices.
Engine internals for both the Patriot Boost 850 and the NA 850/900 are the same except for the pistons. Boost uses a different piston as well as the 900 being larger. Same cranks, connecting rods, etc.. The Patriot engine was designed from day one to be boosted as well as accept larger bore cylinders, pistons, etc... This gives Polaris the flexibility with an engine design they didn't have in the past.
The VR1 Patriot Boost will be sharing the same coupling block design improvements as the XCR. They are updating the transfer blocks on both XCR and VR1 Boost to have a rubber block instead of all aluminum. This was done for durability and more adjustability. This will help dial in weight transfer do to the increased HP to the track/rear skid.

4. Jackshaft bearings. They are aware of the failures and are working on a solution which should make it to production models for 2023. No more info available on this.

5. Polaris is working on getting demo units out to dealers for late March/early April. There's not going to be many due to limited parts availability to manufacture these units. I'll let you know when I know.

That's about it. I might have missed a few things so feel free to ask questions. Hopefully you will find this information useful. Please be respectful when making comments. Thanks!
Lenn Johnson
 
#18 ·
I ordered a 137" Boost VR1. You're saying it has the same reinforced rear skid, tipped up rails and 2" Velocity shock body as the XCR?

Little disappointed they would put floor models ahead of snowchecks. I would guess the exact opposite since it could be a recipe for disaster...
Same reinforced rear skid. VR1 shocks, not XCR, and not sure about the tipped rails.
 
#4 ·
I had my Ambassador call this past Tuesday night. One of the Polaris engineers hosted the call. We had a good Q&A session. They learned a lot over the last year.
The Covid related shortages were a bigger challenge than anticipated. They are making changes so this will never happen again. This is why you are seeing limited numbers of models available. Here's the info from my call.

1. Polaris manufacturers both off road, snow, and military vehicles @ the Roseau manufacturing plant. Because they are now producing more snow vehicles than in years past, they are moving off-road manufacturing to another plant. This is to make more assembly lines available for sled production. In the past, sled production began after SnowCheck orders were in. Snowmobile production will now be year round. They are already starting production of 2023's. Dealer stocking units will be produced before SnowChecked sleds. This way dealers will have inventory coming in during the summer for fall sales. This is a big change from the past. Dealer allocation is also changing.
Polaris is determined to have ALL Snow Checks delivered by Dec 31st 2023.

2. Because there is still a microchip shortage, because of this, next season's 7S Display will not be Wi-Fi enabled. Updates can still be done via USB sticks.

3. Patriot Boost 850 Trail Turbo's: The ECU does not speed limit the sled. Go as fast as you dare!
All the tracks for both Assault and VR1, are speed rated (R) from Camso. This is why the Assault only has 2 track choices.
Engine internals for both the Patriot Boost 850 and the NA 850/900 are the same except for the pistons. Boost uses a different piston as well as the 900 being larger. Same cranks, connecting rods, etc.. The Patriot engine was designed from day one to be boosted as well as accept larger bore cylinders, pistons, etc... This gives Polaris the flexibility with an engine design they didn't have in the past.
The VR1 Patriot Boost will have the same rear skid as the XCR. They are updating the transfer blocks on both XCR and VR1 Boost to have a rubber block instead of all aluminum. This was done for durability and more adjustability. This will help dial in weight transfer do to the increased HP to the track/rear skid.

4. Jackshaft bearings. They are aware of the failures and are working on a solution which should make it to production models for 2023. No more info available on this.

5. Polaris is working on getting demo units out to dealers for late March/early April. There's not going to be many due to limited parts availability to manufacture these units. I'll let you know when I know.

That's about it. I might have missed a few things so feel free to ask questions. Hopefully you will find this information useful. Please be respectful when making comments. Thanks!
Lenn Johnson
With all due respect, double-check your Assault Boost track information. Unless it is a VERY RECENT change, no R-rated tacks were listed for the Assault, just the VR1
 
#14 ·
A sleds top speed has been limited to its gears for 20 years, NOT it’s ECU.

The transfer blocks are actually an 1/8 inch thicker for less transfer due to the added power of the Boost. They are also now spring loaded.
Excellent info. I forgot the spring. :)
 
#26 ·
talked to a dealer yesterday. got a brand new 850 sno-check. running it yester day. was a bit louder then others? then they noticed oil leak from ex. valve area? pulled valves no o-ring gaskets in it? how in the hell does this shit happen. this dealer said 95% of the sleds he sold been back in for warranty. for one thing or another. covid a side this shit should be happening. our own sleds would have blown up if we didn't go over them. my 650 made it 37 miles. water pump housing gasket rolled in it. coolant leak. i will fix it myself. Polaris should pay me for the 6-7 new sled i've fixed already. dealer couldn't do it. guys got them late and wanted to ride them. how does things like clutch bolts, flex starter shafts, all kinds of springs, nuts, bolt's, etc. end up under the motor and clutch? who is putting these together? warranty is going to kill them. most don't have many miles. i bet this is why the limited number of sleds for 23. there going to be fixing fuck ups all of next three years. not to be a Debbie downer but i have never seen this this bad. and i worked for three different sled dealers back when they sold way more sleds then now.
 
#31 · (Edited by Moderator)
talked to a dealer yesterday. Got a brand new 850 sno-check. running it yester day. was a bit louder then others? Then they noticed oil leak from ex. valve area? Pulled valves, no o-ring gaskets in it? how in the hell does this shit happen. This dealer said 95% of the sleds he sold been back in for warranty. for one thing or another. Covid a side this shit should not be happening. our own sleds would have blown up if we didn't go over them. my 650 made it 37 miles. water pump housing gasket rolled in it. coolant leak. i will fix it myself. Polaris should pay me for the 6-7 new sled I've fixed already. dealer couldn't do it. guys got them late and wanted to ride them. how does things like clutch bolts, flex starter shafts, all kinds of springs, nuts, bolt's, etc. end up under the motor and clutch? who is putting these together? warranty is going to kill them. most don't have many miles. i bet this is why the limited number of sleds for 23. there going to be fixing fuck ups all of next three years. not to be a Debbie downer but i have never seen this this bad. and i worked for three different sled dealers back when they sold way more sleds then now.
Rick, you are correct. Too much stuff got through final inspection and dealers before delivery to the consumers. I was also one of them also. My oil cap issue could have resulted in a destroyed engine.
I do have some insight as to why this was happening:
Polaris assembly lines are manned by seasoned Polaris employees. Many these seasoned people ended up with Covid during this year's production. Covid protocol says this person must quarantine for 5 days. So when a seasoned employee in let's say, position 7 got Covid, someone else needed to fill that position. This is where and when things happened. Lack of experience, not effort, is the culprit here. Also, lack of employees, because they were paid to stay home, is also part of the nationwide workforce shortage, which still continues. GM, Ford, Chrysler, and America's manufacturing in general, are all dealing with the same issues. Just talk to any mechanic who works on autos....they are seeing the same shit get through final inspection.
I'm like you Rick, I go over my sled looking for any issues. Heck, I even pulled my rear skid and found some issues there. This year was worst than others. Let's hope next season's sleds are assembled properly. :)
 
#40 ·
My wife is a 35 year veteran of the Fast Food industry. She got out 4 years ago and bought her own restaurant then opened a second one. She struggles with trying to find employees. She has friends still in the fast food industry. McDonalds/Burger King/etc are investing heavily in robotic equipment. It's coming. Don't want to work? No problem. Machinery will take your place. Watch the LEFT come out crying when this happens.
 
#54 ·
Nothing was said other that they are still struggling to get parts from suppliers to finish the MY2022 Builds. This is exactly why I don't think there will be any 2023 demos for us to try and film. They only had a handful available for the press to try in West Yellowstone. Only 6 Ambassadors were invited to attend any of the rides. They rode them in northern Maine at some undisclosed location.
 
#53 ·
Someone here mentioned that for 2023 Snowcheck orders that there was a $500 Golden Ticket that could be used if you Snowchecked a sled in 2021.
I called the know little Poo Hotline to find out if this was factual because I did Snowcheck a 2021 and did just Snowcheck a 2023.
The answer was "NO".... There is No Soup for You!!

Being shot down and given the fact I hadn't asked for a few weeks where my 2022 Snowcheck Assault was I figured I might as well ask seems I had a lady on the line here with no good news for me.
I figured maybe a long shot but asked if she had any info for me. Again.... "No Soup for You!!" Supposably still set to ship between 3/16 & 3/31.
By my own interpretation I think this means, hopefully by Memorial Day.
 
#56 ·
Someone here mentioned that for 2023 Snowcheck orders that there was a $500 Golden Ticket that could be used if you Snowchecked a sled in 2021.
I called the know little Poo Hotline to find out if this was factual because I did Snowcheck a 2021 and did just Snowcheck a 2023.
The answer was "NO".... There is No Soup for You!!

Being shot down and given the fact I hadn't asked for a few weeks where my 2022 Snowcheck Assault was I figured I might as well ask seems I had a lady on the line here with no good news for me.
I figured maybe a long shot but asked if she had any info for me. Again.... "No Soup for You!!" Supposably still set to ship between 3/16 & 3/31.
By my own interpretation I think this means, hopefully by Memorial Day.
No soup in 365 days , plus or minus a couple, is really eye opening. I am sure you would sleep better if they told you facts, not conjecture. But a dead horse is just that....
 
#62 ·
it's the track there waiting on. tell them muther f----ers you have one. ship the f---ing thing and tell them to ship the 2" track when they get it. the dealer not going to P.D.I. anything anyway. we will do it. i still have 10 tracks ordered on the dating order from WPS in September. not here yet? was told march 3-6 ? sound familiar? just what i want $4-5000 worth of tracks i have to carry all summer? great.