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Inlet 0 tolerance on modified mufflers.

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#1 ·
I just saw on the town of inlets site that they will be enforcing a 0 tolerance approach on loud mufflers this season. I ride this area quite often and there are a lot of sleds running loud mufflers, the Inlet/Old forge area has been allowing noisy exhaust systems in their trail systems for some years now while others areas of the state have been cracking down on them.

I personally don’t like noisy exhaust systems they tend to piss people off and close trails.
 
#4 ·
Good! Cans are annoying and get trails closed. And very few "cans" even offer acceleration gains, and those that do offer gains often need jetting and clutching changes for any net improvement in performance. Too many mouth breathers think louder equals faster. I love passing these mouth breathers on my well suspended sled with a quite, stock muffer.
 
#5 ·
It’ll be interesting to see how well they enforce it. There are so many sleds running that area with noisy cans, I have wondered for years why they never cracked down on the noise in the Old forge/Inlet area, always figured all of the businesses in that area that depended on snowmobilers to stay afloat had something to do with it. Someone of importance must have had enough of it.
 
#6 ·
The key here is the Inlet/Old Forge trail system is PRIVATE which is why they can charge for permits. The OWN the land their trails are on and the can make/enforce their own rules and penalties.
When you buy one of their trail permits you are in fact agreeing to their rules, regulations and penalties. Anyone who receives a summons has to go to their court where their judges determine and enforce the penalty set forth by the state.

Since they can make loads of money with fines and court costs expect everyone to be found guilty.
 
#7 · (Edited)
Actually I’ve been in that court and they are small town fair and reasonable. Obviously they know tourism Is the lifeblood of the communities i don’t believe they will go hot wild on punishment or huge fines etc maybe just enough to get the point across. I on the other hand will be riding by Scott free as they are distracted dealing with guys yelling pull me over with thier cans
 
#22 ·
It is because most snowmobilers are ignorant as to how the trail system works as well as ignorant to AMA off road sound testing standards which also are more strict than standards for "On Road" bikes.

Most of the bikes that have "LOUD PIPES" would never be allowed to compete in AMA sanctioned events.
I understand and can pass a sound test at a race. I just do not get go how a HD exhaust or now a AMA sound test is having anything to do with snowmobiles.
It's not like the AMA is going to show up trail side. I have lost a few tracks over the years just because of noise so my sleds stay stock so I understand noise kills everything. Now somehow the sled guys need to be awoke to all of that before everything closes.
 
#14 · (Edited)
If you meet the sound level I don’t believe there would be any probable cause for you to have to show them the exhaust for further inspection since it’s most likely not in plain view I would bet if it passes the sound test that’s the end of the debate. I know a bunch of LE in that area and they are not gonna go digging for problems or trouble. If it sounds ok it’s ok. Keep moving. At least that’s what I’m gathering. Now if it’s the lying , sneaky , dirty state troopers all bets are off. Don’t trust them dirty turds to do the right thing, FILTHY and CROOKED. They are so dirty I need a shower after just walking by them.
 
#17 · (Edited)
Somebody somewhere is getting robbed , raped, murdered , selling drugs etc while the bogus troopers act to fill ticket percentages ,lie, steal , fabricate evidence ,lie on reports , lie lie lie and lie some more . Violate citizen rights on a daily basis. (No I’m no snowflake or antifa clown or a criminal ) total fucking shitbags. And it starts with how these pussies are taught in the academy . They look like fucking Batman with all that shit on the duty belts and are still scared (or act like ) there is a boogey man behind every tree. Corrupt department . There are some good ones but troopers ain’t it ......... shit stems. Good news is they keep banging eachothers wives around here so at least they shit on each other as well as the public. Lol. Anyway now that I’m all fired up. Back to mufflers .....
 
#19 ·
In all seriousness if you are running one of those obnoxious cans on your sled you are more than likely going to get a ticket. There are only a handful of aftermarket cans that wouldn’t get a second look from the trail cops, SLP’s can is one of them I ran a full SLP system without any issues in Maine, NY and Quebec. SLP’s can offers lighter weight, a bit more sound and the ability to adjust chain case tension without removing the can.
 
#27 ·
So now it looks like not only the town of Inlet, but also Old forge is in on the anti noisy sled rule. That’s a good thing. For years that area has been looking the other way and not enforcing noise laws on sleds. I’m not just talking about the town of Webb cops who are only concerned about whether or not a sled has a town of Webb pass on it but also dec has not enforcing noise laws. I wonder what has prompted the change?:rolleyes:
 
#31 ·
All it takes is a little pro active BS at the right time.
Years ago we were on Penn Mountain trails somewhere in the area of Westernville.
We were headed towards Alder Creek and stopped at a road crossing.
I heard sleds coming the opposite way and they were loud!
We waited until they got to the crossing and I signaled them to stop. They had to shut down their sleds to hear me.
I told them that the DEC was back a few miles from the way we came doing paperwork and loud exhaust checks.
They thanked us and turned around we later saw them in Alder Creek at the gas station loading up their sleds to head home or to another area.
Be both helpful and resourceful tell others there is a DEC stop up the trail and clear the trails of scofflaws with loud pipes and sketchy paperwork.
 
#39 ·
That's right up with flashing your lights so a speeder won't get a ticket, want to run like that pay the price. Had a crew flag me down last year asked about any law around and I told the nope all clear. I had just got the sticker from a trail side inspection one turn before. None of those sleds had trail passes or registration and most had cans. They are the problem and since you cant fix stupid make it expensive.
 
#36 ·
I look at it as a recreational activity. Yea I have low miles cause I go out when I have time. I guess judging from where your from you come to old forge to race to the next beer stop to work on your beer gut and to get your medal they handout ?? by the way I run my stock suite case
 
#42 · (Edited)
I just don't get the appeal of those noise-makers, I ride with my cousin every year and Its just the most annoying thing to hear when you're out riding. Especially when its a common sense fact it bothers the trail owners.

Not to mention that cans are expensive! How stupid do you have to be to spend ~$1,000 on something that doesn't boost performance much or at all, and annoys the shit out of everyone else? And this is coming from a young 20-something, not some bitter middle-aged vet of the sport.
 
#45 ·
http://nysnowmobiler.com/safety/nys-laws-regarding-snowmobiling/oprhp-law-§-25-17-equipment/

(e) Mufflers. An adequate muffler system in good working condition. On and after June first, nineteen seventy-two, no snowmobile manufactured after June first, nineteen seventy-two shall be sold or offered for sale unless it is equipped in such a way as to limit noise produced by the snowmobile to not more than eighty-two decibels as measured on the “A” scale at fifty feet. On and after June first, nineteen seventy-five, no such snowmobile manufactured after June first, nineteen seventy-five shall be sold or offered for sale unless it is equipped in such a way as to limit noise produced by the snowmobile to not more than seventy-eight decibels on such scale. On and after June first, nineteen eighty, no such snowmobile manufactured after June first, nineteen eighty, shall be sold or offered for sale unless it is equipped in such a way as to limit noise produced by the snowmobile to not more than seventy-three decibels on such scale. On or after November first, two thousand thirteen, a person shall not operate a snowmobile unless the snowmobile is equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation from which noise emission does not exceed either seventy-eight decibels at fifty feet at full throttle, as measured using a generally accepted test for a snowmobile manufactured after July first, nineteen hundred seventy-seven and sold or offered for sale in this state, or eighty-eight decibels, as measured at four meters from an inline position from the exhaust and four thousand rpm using a generally accepted test for using a stationary snowmobile manufactured after July first, nineteen hundred eighty and sold or offered for sale in this state. Should the federal government adopt snowmobile noise level standards different from those contained in this paragraph and require that the state conform thereto, the commissioner shall be authorized to adopt rules and regulations superseding the noise level requirements of this paragraph to achieve compliance with federal standards. No snowmobile shall be modified by any person in any manner that shall amplify or otherwise increase total noise emission to a level greater than that emitted by the snowmobile as originally constructed, regardless of date of manufacture.
 
#53 ·
OPRHP Law § 25.17, Equipment. | New York State Snowmobile Association

(e) Mufflers. An adequate muffler system in good working condition. On and after June first, nineteen seventy-two, no snowmobile manufactured after June first, nineteen seventy-two shall be sold or offered for sale unless it is equipped in such a way as to limit noise produced by the snowmobile to not more than eighty-two decibels as measured on the “A” scale at fifty feet. On and after June first, nineteen seventy-five, no such snowmobile manufactured after June first, nineteen seventy-five shall be sold or offered for sale unless it is equipped in such a way as to limit noise produced by the snowmobile to not more than seventy-eight decibels on such scale. On and after June first, nineteen eighty, no such snowmobile manufactured after June first, nineteen eighty, shall be sold or offered for sale unless it is equipped in such a way as to limit noise produced by the snowmobile to not more than seventy-three decibels on such scale. On or after November first, two thousand thirteen, a person shall not operate a snowmobile unless the snowmobile is equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation from which noise emission does not exceed either seventy-eight decibels at fifty feet at full throttle, as measured using a generally accepted test for a snowmobile manufactured after July first, nineteen hundred seventy-seven and sold or offered for sale in this state, or eighty-eight decibels, as measured at four meters from an inline position from the exhaust and four thousand rpm using a generally accepted test for using a stationary snowmobile manufactured after July first, nineteen hundred eighty and sold or offered for sale in this state. Should the federal government adopt snowmobile noise level standards different from those contained in this paragraph and require that the state conform thereto, the commissioner shall be authorized to adopt rules and regulations superseding the noise level requirements of this paragraph to achieve compliance with federal standards. No snowmobile shall be modified by any person in any manner that shall amplify or otherwise increase total noise emission to a level greater than that emitted by the snowmobile as originally constructed, regardless of date of manufacture.
In red: un-enforceable in the field and would never stand up in court if given a ticket.

In Blue: An SLP muffler on my 18' 800 SKS is well under that limit. Well under.

In green: This is where the problem lies....hard to get around this part of the equation, lol

Strangely enough my son's old 2000 Z370 was the loudest sled we've ever owned. For a stock sled that thing was loud
 
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#48 ·
I can say that as a judge it bothers me how rampant the misinterpretation of the law is.GoneSnowmobiling is correct,The law states the legal decibel levels and what year they had to meat that level. A modified exhaust ticket without a proper decibel check is an extremely easy ticket to fight.
 
#60 ·
Replacement isnt considered modifying . Welding cutting remember of material etc. would be. What’s important in this arguement is does Webb take state money for Tarik system or is it all self funded. If they take money for the system it’s my understanding they have to go by state law. Since they do a pass and much of it is on town land and if they are not state subsidized then they can make rules as they see fit. It maybe both. At which point it’s my opinion while on state lands the state law would rule the day and only when on Webb lands thier laws would rule. Again only if not subsidized. That would be my legal arguement .But my common sence arguement is that they are good to sledders up there so if they want sleds to be quiet I’m ok with that. But that doesn’t mean they are on solid legal ground for the entire system.
 
#61 ·
Replacement isnt considered modifying . Welding cutting remember of material etc. would be.
While I agree with your entire statement, I would have to say that what I quoted above is probably an argument you’d lose in court. I understand what you are trying to say in context but in reality any time you “replace” a part that deviates from the original design (ie: louder noise emissions, higher compression, different clutching etc) it technically has been “modified” from its original state. Even though you have simply replaced parts without any cutting, welding etc. As you stated tho, that’s not really what’s important here. Besides, If everyone Just leaves there sled exhaust stock, the law won’t affect anyone, state land, private land, trail passes or otherwise
 
#71 · (Edited)
Back in the late 2000's you could order an SLP muffler from Polaris with a Polaris part number. Remember that! Bottom line is decibels. If it is below the approved sound rating allowed by the state of NY, it should be allowed. If NY wants to enforce a sound ordinance, then they need to buy the equipment to test the decibels a snowmobile is producing out on the trail. You can't hand out a speeding ticket without a radar gun to prove how fast you were going. It should be the same with noise. I am not an advocate of loud fart cans, but a lightweight SLP muffler that is below the allowed rating should not be against the law.
 
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