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Old 09-09-2019, 02:31 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Constaint full shift out. Depending on condition the team 2ndary does not always shift out. With a team clutch you have adjustments only in spring rate and ramp angle. With a button you have spring rate, ramp angle and torsional spring rate. The team clutch is better for the backshift. Like you posted earlier a team clutch with a torsional spring conversion would be the ticket. I work with a guy that use to work at Team and still has an in there.
X2 I can get good top end from a team roller by changing to a lower spring final rate but it sucks for any trail riding. With a button you can achieve a far better compromise just that it will be never as good on the trails as a team clutch. Tied so far has been the best of both worlds although not perfect.
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Another subtle thing that happens with a Tied secondary using 14 deg bigger helix angles, is that the rotation of the sheaves on the helix is reduced by a corresponding amount over the full shift range. This would seem to cause reduced friction and belt wear versus a TSS-04 or a button.

With the button, and it's much lower angled helix, you don't need a very strong spring. This is because the helix is the dominate belt clamping mechanism and is more sensitive to engine torque. The TSS-04 and Tied rely more on the spring.

Therefore, the button may actually reduce the belt grip slightly at full shift due to the engine torque transferred into the helix being gradually reduced at higher shift ratios. This also happens when using less throttle at cruising speeds.
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I had several of those black Ice's. I believe they recommended less helix angles due to their coatings?
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I had several of those black Ice's. I believe they recommended less helix angles due to their coatings?
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Old 09-10-2019, 01:52 PM   #55 (permalink)
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I had several of those black Ice's. I believe they recommended less helix angles due to their coatings?
Back in the day i had a 42/34 black ice helix with an slp black spring in my 95 xcr 600. Best button setup i ever ran. That sled running with the stock single exhaust would grab 3 sleds out of the hole on triple piped xlt 580's and hold them off in 660'
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One of the subtle things never mentioned about the secondary is the role the diameter of the helix plays. The button has a fairly small diameter helix.

This little factor affects the squeeze on the belt.

Super Torquer developed a pretty interesting variable radius helix to optimize this factor. it used a Cat like steel helix riding on wide steel rollers. He used computer modeling to help develop it. His article about this was printed in Snow Tech magazine several years ago. He discovered that you could better match belt squeeze (efficiency) by using a large diameter helix at launch and a small one at full shift. I used one with good results for quite a while until the Paragon secondary came along. I used it on a Cat secondary. At that time, he didn't have a setup for a Polaris secondary. He eventually built his own secondary.

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Did you ever run the old AAEN roller in either the Polaris or Cat form?.The Polaris used a steel helix and metal rollers. It worked awesome but the rollers didn't last very long.In 01 Polaris had a similar driven in just the 01 xcsp 800 that was similar but used plastic rollers.That clutch also worked great.
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Did you ever run the old AAEN roller in either the Polaris or Cat form?.The Polaris used a steel helix and metal rollers. It worked awesome but the rollers didn't last very long.In 01 Polaris had a similar driven in just the 01 xcsp 800 that was similar but used plastic rollers.That clutch also worked great.
Never used either one. But, I do run the Paragon secondary on my XCR 800 in my Avatar. As well as the older Heel Clicker fixed shoulder weights in the primary.

The Paragon is an expensive secondary, but works better than anything else I've ever tried. The drive belt can be removed with one hand. And, it comes as a torsional or a compression setup. I prefer the torsional. Infinite adjustment for spring twist and belt deflection all externally. Excellent top end and great belt life. No need for hard belts either.
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Did you ever run the old AAEN roller in either the Polaris or Cat form?.The Polaris used a steel helix and metal rollers. It worked awesome but the rollers didn't last very long.In 01 Polaris had a similar driven in just the 01 xcsp 800 that was similar but used plastic rollers.That clutch also worked great.
Polaris didn't offer much in the way of tuning components for that clutch for reversing. With the standard p-85 helix's it worked well though, just no reverse.
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I had one of aaen's roller rooster driven clutches for my indy 500 back in the day. I think it was a very early version. Remember it never worked well, it constantly ate those rollers. I think aaen never had them aligned 100%.
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