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Old 12-02-2019, 10:26 PM   #11 (permalink)
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like old fashioned tbi injection? bigger injector? were they doing something similar last year or is that something completely new for this year? interesting

completely new for 2020 , uses the oem injector for 2019 (the 2018 uses a different ecu/coding)
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2019 jugs, they block off the injector spot on the jugs , then put on new throttle bodies and move the injector to the TB
How is that considered stock?
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How is that considered stock?
I was thinking the same thing.
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2019 jugs, they block off the injector spot on the jugs , then put on new throttle bodies and move the injector to the TB
How is that considered stock?
When they file it as an update it is consider stock. Polaris has done this few for other things. Isoc reviews it
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When they file it as an update it is consider stock. Polaris has done this few for other things. Isoc reviews it
Unless things have changed updates were only allowed for safety not performance gains.

Edit: C2C the drive sucked, then once I got north of Thief River the snow had stopped so no new snow here.
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Unless things have changed updates were only allowed for safety not performance gains.

Edit: C2C the drive sucked, then once I got north of Thief River the snow had stopped so no new snow here.

It gets passed to ISR , ISR approves it or turns it down.



The problem with the 2019 was an intermittent bog that they couldn't get rid of It wasn't consistent so what would happen is on a jump face the racer would pin the throttle the sled would bog and they were committed to a double/triple whatever then lost speed up the face when it bogged. That was part of the reason and TBH if I had to guess and exception was made to allow the change of throttle bodies since there was not a 2020 sled made (the 2020 sled was supposed to have a a new pipe, updated injectors and a few other minor changes)
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The problem with the 2019 was an intermittent bog that they couldn't get rid of It wasn't consistent so what would happen is on a jump face the racer would pin the throttle the sled would bog and they were committed to a double/triple whatever then lost speed up the face when it bogged. That was part of the reason and TBH if I had to guess and exception was made to allow the change of throttle bodies since there was not a 2020 sled made (the 2020 sled was supposed to have a a new pipe, updated injectors and a few other minor changes)
I'd buy the Bog story but barely if it was carbs, fuel injection nope. And it shouldn't matter if they didn't build a 2020, and what they would have done for 2020 is irrelevant, if ISR allows this mod, then they should just go back to mod sleds.
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I'd buy the Bog story but barely if it was carbs, fuel injection nope. And it shouldn't matter if they didn't build a 2020, and what they would have done for 2020 is irrelevant, if ISR allows this mod, then they should just go back to mod sleds.
If it truly was do to a bog when landing from a jump it could totally be for a safety reason. If the bog was bad enough it could potentially throw the rider off the front of the sled when they were bracing their body to go forwads from a landing, but the sled bogged bad enough to propel them over the bars.

Imagine expecting to land on the gas and ripping forward, but the sled bogs bad enough that it is like slamming on the brakes. Your head is over the bars and you are leaning forward. It wouldn't take much to throw you for a loop.

If there is no performance gain, besides removing this bog. I can see it being passed. I haven't heard much of this issue, so I don't really know how bad it was.

My sled does this once in a blue moon and it is scary as all hell. I can't figure out the issue and it really bothers me.

EDIT: My bad, I see fortune46x said it was on a face of a jump. That could be dangerous as well. Not only coming up short sucks, but if if a sled is following you and is matching your speed and your sled bogs down at the face of a jump. That rider comes up short and the rider behind him lands on top of him because of the sudden decrease of speed that was very unexpected.

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If it truly was do to a bog when landing from a jump it could totally be for a safety reason. If the bog was bad enough it could potentially throw the rider off the front of the sled when they were bracing their body to go forwads from a landing, but the sled bogged bad enough to propel them over the bars.

Imagine expecting to land on the gas and ripping forward, but the sled bogs bad enough that it is like slamming on the brakes. Your head is over the bars and you are leaning forward. It wouldn't take much to throw you for a loop.

If there is no performance gain, besides removing this bog. I can see it being passed. I haven't heard much of this issue, so I don't really know how bad it was.

My sled does this once in a blue moon and it is scary as all hell. I can't figure out the issue and it really bothers me.
It shouldn't matter where the injectors are, with injection you should be able to program out a bog, Manufactures always sell it as a safety issue, wether ISR buys it or not is a different issue. I do have a knee that was destroyed from an old CR250 bogging in a rhythm section, and I'm still not buying the Bog issue.
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