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Old 09-10-2019, 10:43 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Maybe instead of talking out of your ass you should ride one first, or talk to someone who has.
So you know what I did or did not ride? Blow it out your ass dipshit I know what i rode, you don't
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Snowtrax reviewed a few of the newer sleds and said the new front suspension changes make a nice difference.
Maybe instead of talking out of your ass you should ride one first, or talk to someone who has.
Says the guy who hasn't ridden one, lol.
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So you know what I did or did not ride? Blow it out your ass dipshit I know what i rode, you don't
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The upper a-arm now has a heim joint on the end that's adjustable instead of a pressed in captured rod end thats not, (which I would never adjust anyway) and that is the "camber adjustment. The swaybar "for flatter, more predictable cornering on hard pack " is the same as my sway bar. The 1-1/2 they gave from the ski to the lower arm just increases camber into "bump" quicker. All the chassis pickup points are the same

There's your "completely different" It's not a game changer and in a sense it's really not any different.

You think that raising the mounting point by 1.5" (which will put a lot more pressure on the skis), is "really not any different"? LMAO, OK.

Does anyone have that picture showing the front end view of both old and new suspension, side by side?
I should have take a picture when I went to Princeton. The 2020 sits higher and the front end is raked out more over the 2019. Maybe procross225 snapped a picture while we were there. There is a difference and it is obvious when you have them next to each other
I never got a picture. The lower a arm sits around 2" higher on the 2020 and the top a arm to spindle mount looked further towards rear of sled if i remember correctly. Spindles look very heavy duty as well
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I never got a picture. The lower a arm sits around 2" higher on the 2020 and the top a arm to spindle mount looked further towards rear of sled if i remember correctly. Spindles look very heavy duty as well
My point is this, if you guys think this little change is going to turn this dieing company around and make some sort of miraculous sales magic, I've got some swampland to sell you in Arizona. It's a readjustment in suspension geometry for gods sake (moving a lower a-arm pickup point) Big deal. It's not going to sell 20,000 more sleds this year. What they need is "what's gonna sell 20,000 more sleds this year" Flatter cornering Procross? Oh please I can't take nore more! Give me a 129 inch 600cc sled thats injected, liquid cooled, has reverse and electric start and sell that to me for $5,799 and sell me a family sled with a 144 inch tail skid-sled for $5,999. Sell me a fan cooled for $3,999. No warranty's. You want a warranty or anything extra you pay for it. Those are the only sleds that are ready, anything else is an order out. And no sleds ship with tracks, customer picks that out. Thats what I would try.
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My point is this, if you guys think this little change is going to turn this dieing company around and make some sort of miraculous sales magic, I've got some swampland to sell you in Arizona. It's a readjustment in suspension geometry for gods sake (moving a lower a-arm pickup point) Big deal. It's not going to sell 20,000 more sleds this year.

Nobody said it was going to sell 20,000 more sleds per year. We said it was going to be a large improvement in Procross handling. You said that it was "the same", and everyone here knows you are wrong. Sometimes when you say something stupid, it's best to admit you were wrong and move on, instead of doubling down on the stupidity. But hey, it's your call.
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My point is this, if you guys think this little change is going to turn this dieing company around and make some sort of miraculous sales magic, I've got some swampland to sell you in Arizona. It's a readjustment in suspension geometry for gods sake (moving a lower a-arm pickup point) Big deal. It's not going to sell 20,000 more sleds this year.

Nobody said it was going to sell 20,000 more sleds per year. We said it was going to be a large improvement in Procross handling. You said that it was "the same", and everyone here knows you are wrong. Sometimes when you say something stupid, it's best to admit you were wrong and move on, instead of doubling down on the stupidity. But hey, it's your call. <img src="https://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/images/smilies/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="" title="" class="inlineimg" />
Lmao! I was going to respond but decided to smh and walk away as I just couldn’t believe it.
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Nobody said it was going to sell 20,000 more sleds per year. We said it was going to be a large improvement in Procross handling. You said that it was "the same", and everyone here knows you are wrong. Sometimes when you say something stupid, it's best to admit you were wrong and move on, instead of doubling down on the stupidity. But hey, it's your call.
Ok I'll say it I was wrong, you are all right, now that being said if it's SOOOOOOOOO good it's gonna outsell EVERYONE! Ski doo will be looking for a buyer, Harley will be thinking about Polaris and getting back in the sled business because THIS one very thing the new front suspension is the very holy grail that will rescue the company!

Your not gonna notice much if anything. Day and night difference I wouldn't think so. Like I said what is needed is something that will sell a lot of sleds, this will not. You guys are the ones sayin stupid things, not me. You guys can keep drinkin the koolaid
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My point is this, if you guys think this little change is going to turn this dieing company around and make some sort of miraculous sales magic, I've got some swampland to sell you in Arizona. It's a readjustment in suspension geometry for gods sake (moving a lower a-arm pickup point) Big deal. It's not going to sell 20,000 more sleds this year. What they need is "what's gonna sell 20,000 more sleds this year" Flatter cornering Procross? Oh please I can't take nore more! Give me a 129 inch 600cc sled thats injected, liquid cooled, has reverse and electric start and sell that to me for $5,799 and sell me a family sled with a 144 inch tail skid-sled for $5,999. Sell me a fan cooled for $3,999. No warranty's. You want a warranty or anything extra you pay for it. Those are the only sleds that are ready, anything else is an order out. And no sleds ship with tracks, customer picks that out. Thats what I would try.
This just in.......ITS 2019 not 1999 !!!!!
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I have watched people debate over and over on here about which is better, 129 or 137 and of course you get feedback from both sides saying one is better than the other. I have rode both back to back on the same section of trail and yes the 137 does push more in the corners under acceleration and have never noticed any advantage on a rough trail. With the extra few inches of track on the ground for a flat lander it does not "bridge" the bumps either as everyone who owns a 137 claims...I call B.S.



About the statement above saying "I see no value in the 121/129 lengths unless you are a lazier rider" Because the 137 takes more work in the corners in my eyes if you are a trail rider why would you want a 137 ? Not because it rides better or "bridges the bumps" because it does not. It is because everyone is buying the 137 and saying how great it is when it is really not any different than the 129 except you get push in the corners and takes more effort to trail ride...sounds like fun!


To me a 137 is for a person who likes to go off trail more often or does some drag/lake racing with a slight traction or flotation advantage with the 137. I will guarantee you that if you took 4 people, 2 that own 129's and 2 that own 137's and sat them on each machine not knowing what length track was under them and sent them down a bumpy straight trail they would not know the difference which one was 129 or 137. Now do the same on a winding trail and I will bet they would notice the push in the corners, I know a lot of people could make adjustments, suck up limiter straps etc to try and compensate the push but why.


These rider forward machines take enough body english ripping the trails as it is let alone adding a longer track for the trail riding. The 129 & 137 both have their places but really think they became so popular in the past few years because people buying them brag how good they are in the bumps but is not the case.
B.S!

If you're experiencing more push on a 137 vs a 129, you haven't set the suspension up, plain and simple. If your statement was true, how the hell can people ride a 129" after riding 121's all their lives...they'd all be in the trees, lol.

My Z1 turbo takes less "body english" than my older chassis sleds. That's the whole point of rider forward....the rider is closer to the engine = more centralized gravity = less work from the rider.
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