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Old 12-06-2011, 07:29 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I've owned several sleds (Polaris & Yamaha) and haven't had to replace any parts in the clutches. Just clean, inspect, re-install & ride!

In looking at new sleds, the 1200 is on the list, but I am surprised at the clutch maintenance I'm reading about.
Beleive me,,ive owned em all.
Dont let it scare you,,,its honestly about my only complaint with this sled and im going on my 3rd year with it.
If i changed to a different sled now,,,i have no clue what it would be except to say,,id buy another 1200.
If you want a walk through to rebuild a clutch,,ask me and ill get you though it.
Buy a puller,,metric sockets,and a torque meter or wrench.
i use a meter because they are cheap and i can see the torque im applying.

This will be the best sled you have ever owned or possibly will own.
Ive even rode in the mountains,,boondocked basically all the time,,,try that with a polaris 4 or yamaha
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:59 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I've owned several sleds (Polaris & Yamaha) and haven't had to replace any parts in the clutches. Just clean, inspect, re-install & ride!

In looking at new sleds, the 1200 is on the list, but I am surprised at the clutch maintenance I'm reading about.
I don't understand this either , I'v owned 6 new gade's 800 and 600 and have never needed to repair one. My current one is the 1200 with headers and my clutch looks like new . guess I'm just lucky ?
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I don't understand this either , I'v owned 6 new gade's 800 and 600 and have never needed to repair one. My current one is the 1200 with headers and my clutch looks like new . guess I'm just lucky ?
Is it noisy? if so it needs new orings.
If not,,youre a lucky guy!
tra3 is a 600
tra7 is an 800
tra 4 is a 1200.

TRA-3
Larger roll pin design
2 tra lever hold down bolts
Larger 8mm fasteners for spring cup cover
30mm diameter shaft for 70% more rigidity
Spline governor cup assembly.
Thinner outer rim material where starter ring gear is mounted.
Ring gear mounts farther radius from crankshaft.
Ring gear cannot be interchanged from TRA-3 to TRA-2


TRA-7
Cross between TRA-3 and TRA-5
Uses TRA-3 curved aluminum arms
Forged sliding sheave.
Spring cup bolt holes are deeper and have longer 8mm screws
Fixed half taper/governor cup fit.
Cushion drive
Most parts are not interchangeable with older TRA versions.
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Old 12-07-2011, 08:45 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I don't understand this either , I'v owned 6 new gade's 800 and 600 and have never needed to repair one. My current one is the 1200 with headers and my clutch looks like new . guess I'm just lucky ?
We have 3-800s. And 2-600
No problems at all 2- 1200 mine which I have rebuilt 2 times and the other one bought the pb80 cudney set up. I think I'm going to try the fett brothers kit ?
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I have three 1200's, one 09 with 8 thousand miles, a 2011 with 3 thousand miles and a 2012 with three miles. I just replaced the ramps and rollers on the 09 and the O rings on the 09 and 2011. The O rings cost 99 cents each and you need 6 per clutch. I know thats alot of money but you have to pay to play. The ramps and rollers cost me 80 dollars and a hour of my time. I find that very acceptable for that kind of mileage. Maybe I don't think its too bad because I owned 16 Cats from 1991-2004. Now those clutches were junk and needed rebuilding every 1000-1500 miles.
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I have three 1200's, one 09 with 8 thousand miles, a 2011 with 3 thousand miles and a 2012 with three miles. I just replaced the ramps and rollers on the 09 and the O rings on the 09 and 2011. The O rings cost 99 cents each and you need 6 per clutch. I know thats alot of money but you have to pay to play. The ramps and rollers cost me 80 dollars and a hour of my time. I find that very acceptable for that kind of mileage. Maybe I don't think its too bad because I owned 16 Cats from 1991-2004. Now those clutches were junk and needed rebuilding every 1000-1500 miles.
Ahh what the hell Just called Bill today and got the PB80 comming as I have been kicking it around, once it come's in and I make the change out I will inspect the stock clutch and do a report on it's condition and the miles @ around 2500.
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sure ,take pictures for us.
So why are you going to the pb80?
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Old 12-09-2011, 09:13 PM   #28 (permalink)
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sure ,take pictures for us.
So why are you going to the pb80?
Looks like there should be a performance gain to go with the MBRP headers, -- getting some snow about 2-3 inches on the ground but the PB 80 will not be here till Monday or so. and yes I will up-date on my stock TRA good or not so good ,thats what this form is about
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The P80 primary & Cudney Racing seem to be very highly regarded. Looks like there are a couple of options listed on www.cudneyracing.com for the P80.

I'm planning on keeping the TRA knowing that rollers & shoes should be replaced every year, hate to spend $600 for a P80 after spending $10K for the sled. Some dealers are recommending roller & shoe replacement every 1,500mi.
Wait a second...I just bought a Gade 4tec...are you telling me I'm going to have to rebuild the clutch every 1500 miles for real? I mean, I'm with you...10k for the sled, I never had those issues with my AC's.
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Old 12-16-2011, 10:27 AM   #30 (permalink)
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You dont need to,,but the rattling buttons will drive you nuts.
By 500 miles Id already replaced the rollers after the bushings broke apart and fell out.
And loctited all the ramp retainers after a bolt backed out and hooked the arm.
And if you have a new one you likely wont have to worry about the leaking oil cooler,,though they dont all seem to do it,and i had mine repaired under warranty.
Also the valve cover gasket on my 09 and many others doesnt seat properly due to the brass spacers and has a habit of seeping.
Other than that,,Great sled!
Replacing the orings behind the buttons on a regular basis keeps them quiet.

If you have tools,and a basic amount of ability,none of this is difficult by any means.
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