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Old 10-02-2011, 09:25 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Mine ran 103 on gps can't remember what the speedo said,my brothers 600 e-tech will hole shot me but I will run him down and pass him. Both arte renegades mines a 2010 his is a 2011.
you are spinning more and thats why the etec is going by out of the hole...

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Old 10-05-2011, 01:54 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I'm on a 800 etec for this season. I really wish I was back on a 1200 this season.. There fun sleds.. a lot of people knock on them but there usually people who have never driven them.
Aint that the truth.
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Old 10-05-2011, 09:07 PM   #23 (permalink)
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1200 Gade 115??? You must have pushed it out the back of an airplane.
The non H-J 125 MPH Z1T must fall out of the same plane...
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Old 10-07-2011, 11:51 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I have been thinking about a 1200 renegade, but I am getting mixed answers on how fast these are. I only know 1 person besides a salesman with seat time on one. He said lots of power but he was in trails were he could not go over 60 mph. A sales guy today said there a tourqey 600 and that a stock 800 will kill them in a race. Others say there as fast as a 800 until top end. I know HP is down compared to 800s, but does the tourqe make up for it?
I just purchased a leftover2011 1200 4 tec.Salesman rides one and say 109-113 mph.Lots of torque and gets there quick.I'm moving up from a 2001 600 ZRT which is fast,I went to the newer sled for the ride.
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Old 10-11-2011, 11:42 AM   #25 (permalink)
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my guess is that it will be 2-3 sled lengths ahead of your 700. 30- 40 feet between the 2 sleds.
the 1200 is a fast 700 or a slow 800. thats it.
someone on here said that it feels as fast as his apex... no way, my apex would have walked all over my 1200. when i bought my 1200 my buddies didn't, so i know how my apex raced their sleds. and how my 1200 compares. dont let all of the keyboard racers tell you different
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Old 10-11-2011, 03:00 PM   #26 (permalink)
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my guess is that it will be 2-3 sled lengths ahead of your 700. 30- 40 feet between the 2 sleds.
the 1200 is a fast 700 or a slow 800. thats it.
someone on here said that it feels as fast as his apex... no way, my apex would have walked all over my 1200. when i bought my 1200 my buddies didn't, so i know how my apex raced their sleds. and how my 1200 compares. dont let all of the keyboard racers tell you different
In stock configuration, you are right... But a header, clutched, fuel controller... 1200...., will run with or beat an Apex all the way to top end... In a 1/4 miles drag race, the 1200 will win...

Tailight, I have owned a slightly modded 2006 Apex tuned by Ulmer and a Nytro xtx also tuned by Ulmer, so I know what I am talking about.

I have also heard of cases where a slightly modded 1200 (bolt ons, headers, clutching etc....) will beat a 2011 Apex... Confirmed by more than 2 different sources.

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Old 10-11-2011, 10:40 PM   #27 (permalink)
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In stock configuration, you are right... But a header, clutched, fuel controller... 1200...., will run with or beat an Apex all the way to top end... In a 1/4 miles drag race, the 1200 will win...

Tailight, I have owned a slightly modded 2006 Apex tuned by Ulmer and a Nytro xtx also tuned by Ulmer, so I know what I am talking about.

I have also heard of cases where a slightly modded 1200 (bolt ons, headers, clutching etc....) will beat a 2011 Apex... Confirmed by more than 2 different sources.
Makes perfect sense. With the mods mentioned the 1200 is in the 150 hp range, same as an Apex, but 150 lbs lighter. Mike Knapp (Knappattack) over on Dootalk has a good writeup on how well Cudney Racing full setup works with header, RB3, and PB80 clutch. Claims his neighbor's 2011 Apex never got by from start all the way to top end. Impressive! Plus, the Doo 1200 actually has a suspension that works.
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Old 10-11-2011, 10:51 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I have a 2012 GSX SE 1200 on order for the wife. I plan on adding the header, RB3, and PB80 clutch from Cudney (she likes to go fast too!). There is also a 2012 Apex XTX on the way (her father) so I'm sure they will get a chance to run them, and I'll post the results. BTW, her CF 800 smoked him in appx 1000 ft run on his old 06 Apex. He would have eventually gone by with the CF's gearing, but she's light and get's out of the hole fast.
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Old 10-11-2011, 11:22 PM   #29 (permalink)
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greenrider1 put a bigger lug track on that sled or you wont see the benefit of the bolton's. heck in stock form you need more lug.
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Old 10-12-2011, 04:47 PM   #30 (permalink)
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greenrider1 put a bigger lug track on that sled or you wont see the benefit of the bolton's. heck in stock form you need more lug.
Already have an Ice Attack 1.375" on order that I plan on swapping out the 1.25" ripsaw before it ever sees snow. Hopefully this will be a good compromise. We're not serious racers, but like to play around for bragging rights. I may still add some studs to it if it doesn't hook.
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