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Old 12-24-2018, 07:30 AM   #431 (permalink)
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Are you really. Take a look at the weather the last few years and particularly this year. In most areas there has been or is very little snow. I'm worried for all 4 mfr's. I don't give a shite what they produce, no snow = poor sales.
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Don't buy into the hype. Polaris used a different honing process to help with break-in. Single ring pistons = requires new honing technique. Crank bearing failure was due to case sealant in the oil line port, not allowing enough oil to the bearing. All of these failed within 100 miles. (4 failures) Very isolated issue. Polaris is aware. Ride it!
so then , the lack of oil makes the bearing move in the case until it welds itself to the crank? ..?
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Yeah. I'm thinking like a blue 81 Camaro, air shocks in the back along with helper springs, craigar ss wheels or maybe keystones. CB antenna on the trunk lid. 305 with your hand ported and polished double hump heads, 850 double pumper that drowns the motor....




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So, just to give you a little carb lesson, by itself, an 850 won't drown the "engine". It's an internal combustion "engine" and then there is an electric "motor". Now that we got that lesson out of the way, back to the carb. It would actually run lean. A carb works on a pressure differential at the booster/venturi. When you put a carb with a big venturi and throttle blade, such as an 850 on a 305, it doesn't pull a strong signal at the booster/venturi, it actually runs lean, because it can't pull fuel thru the jet and main well, working exactly opposite of what most think, including you. So, then you get a lean stumble. So, then you need to add main jet to band aid it, and get the proper air fuel ratio. By itself, it won't drown the "engine" as you say. If one was to improve the booster signal, with say an effective annular booster design,vs the typical down leg booster holley typically puts in an 850, that is much more sensitive to the weaker signal from the smaller "engine", it works quite well, obviously the low and high speed air bleeds need to be tuned accordingly, along with the primary and secondary squirters, and with the proper power valve and power valve channel restrictions, you could actually get better mileage and a lot more power vs a smaller carb, because there is less manifold vaccum in the intake at part throttle cruise, which reduces the pumping losses the engine sees and will there for improve mileage, as long as all the circuits are tuned accordingly.

Also, I have made some serious steam with double hump heads over the years, and you shouldn't discount them.
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my thought on the 850 patriot. the whole fucking motor is junk. 18 miles on mine and the coating is stuck in the rings, it's in the crank, etc. pistons are complete garbage. Kelsey is right he had one of these apart and told me the motor was junk, now Indy Dan says it is. i never should have taken it. i'am more than pissed. I see a huge class action lawsuit coming. the very last Polaris i will ever buy. I guess it'a over to the yellow team.

They hand built a few for testing. And they apparently were good? Then comes production and probably cut corners went with the lowest bidder on parts etc. and this abortion is the result.
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So, just to give you a little carb lesson, by itself, an 850 won't drown the "engine". It's an internal combustion "engine" and then there is an electric "motor". Now that we got that lesson out of the way, back to the carb. It would actually run lean. A carb works on a pressure differential at the booster/venturi. When you put a carb with a big venturi and throttle blade, such as an 850 on a 305, it doesn't pull a strong signal at the booster/venturi, it actually runs lean, because it can't pull fuel thru the jet and main well, working exactly opposite of what most think, including you. So, then you get a lean stumble. So, then you need to add main jet to band aid it, and get the proper air fuel ratio. By itself, it won't drown the "engine" as you say. If one was to improve the booster signal, with say an effective annular booster design,vs the typical down leg booster holley typically puts in an 850, that is much more sensitive to the weaker signal from the smaller "engine", it works quite well, obviously the low and high speed air bleeds need to be tuned accordingly, along with the primary and secondary squirters, and with the proper power valve and power valve channel restrictions, you could actually get better mileage and a lot more power vs a smaller carb, because there is less manifold vaccum in the intake at part throttle cruise, which reduces the pumping losses the engine sees and will there for improve mileage, as long as all the circuits are tuned accordingly.



Also, I have made some serious steam with double hump heads over the years, and you shouldn't discount them.
You and CJ make a good couple
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With all talk of engines blowing up and cat going down the tubes and the daffy duck bombi`s, (Yes I`m Santa today) I think I will just go for a ride on these and hope for snow and take the sled out after.
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my thought on the 850 patriot. the whole fucking motor is junk. 18 miles on mine and the coating is stuck in the rings, it's in the crank, etc. pistons are complete garbage. Kelsey is right he had one of these apart and told me the motor was junk, now Indy Dan says it is. i never should have taken it. i'am more than pissed. I see a huge class action lawsuit coming. the very last Polaris i will ever buy. I guess it'a over to the yellow team.

They hand built a few for testing. And they apparently were good? Then comes production and probably cut corners went with the lowest bidder on parts etc. and this abortion is the result.
Dam Doo has sucked for so many years and Doo 850’s cant beat Poo 800’s . Welcome to DooTalk! See ya over there.

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So, just to give you a little carb lesson, by itself, an 850 won't drown the "engine". It's an internal combustion "engine" and then there is an electric "motor". Now that we got that lesson out of the way, back to the carb. It would actually run lean. A carb works on a pressure differential at the booster/venturi. When you put a carb with a big venturi and throttle blade, such as an 850 on a 305, it doesn't pull a strong signal at the booster/venturi, it actually runs lean, because it can't pull fuel thru the jet and main well, working exactly opposite of what most think, including you. So, then you get a lean stumble. So, then you need to add main jet to band aid it, and get the proper air fuel ratio. By itself, it won't drown the "engine" as you say. If one was to improve the booster signal, with say an effective annular booster design,vs the typical down leg booster holley typically puts in an 850, that is much more sensitive to the weaker signal from the smaller "engine", it works quite well, obviously the low and high speed air bleeds need to be tuned accordingly, along with the primary and secondary squirters, and with the proper power valve and power valve channel restrictions, you could actually get better mileage and a lot more power vs a smaller carb, because there is less manifold vaccum in the intake at part throttle cruise, which reduces the pumping losses the engine sees and will there for improve mileage, as long as all the circuits are tuned accordingly.

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my thought on the 850 patriot. the whole fucking motor is junk. 18 miles on mine and the coating is stuck in the rings, it's in the crank, etc. pistons are complete garbage. Kelsey is right he had one of these apart and told me the motor was junk, now Indy Dan says it is. i never should have taken it. i'am more than pissed. I see a huge class action lawsuit coming. the very last Polaris i will ever buy. I guess it'a over to the yellow team.

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