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Old 01-14-2020, 12:16 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Just do what they did with skimming...slap a MASSIVE fine on it. The fine for a can is peanuts to most. I think there's been a significant drop in skimming due to the harsh cost of being caught.

You're never going to resolve all of the problems, there's no perfect answer. Short track, long track, doesn't matter...if people want to go off trail they will. It's not just logging roads. People see the massive fields and think it's a great idea to go just play in powder without thinking of the repercussions. Everyone's just beating a dead horse all over again. Ride as much as your can and ride legally...the sport will be diminishing over time. It's not just trail closures, the volunteers do a ton of work and get frustrated over the hard work put in a destroyed by the few that can't obey. People can tolerate minor fines and play dumb, if you want something to have an impact, make it material enough for people to reconsider (monetarily, and give them the opportunity to appeal if it was truly an honest mistake or misunderstanding...I'm not talking impound sleds like I've heard in the past).
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Old 01-14-2020, 12:27 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Offtrail is not going to just go away, I think the clubs are going to be the ones that get stuck with it and will be forced to step up and figure out what to do, even if they don’t want to or keep facing closures.

Increased registration for offtrail type sleds for land management?

Dedicated large tracts of land for offtrail where the extra registration monies would go for “fixing broken tree tops”?

Why is it overlooked in Maine? Do their tree tops not break”

My post wasn’t intended to create banter, but rather questions.
Maine has way more land in the middle of nowhere that no one cares about. For the most part all the complaints you hear about "offtrail riding" are in congested areas where some trail rider blasted off the trail and ripped around someones field in front of their house that might be a tree farm or something. Theres no problems with driving into the middle of nowhere and riding a mountain, you wont hear complaints from anyone about that. Maine has alot more of those areas compared to NH.
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Another issue I was discussing this last weekend is a property owner on the VT side up near Pittsburg had his logging equipment parked. Supposedly a F+G reported it was leaking oil. State came in ans slapped a big fine on him.

He shut down all of his property immediately after.
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Maine has way more land in the middle of nowhere that no one cares about. For the most part all the complaints you hear about "offtrail riding" are in congested areas where some trail rider blasted off the trail and ripped around someones field in front of their house that might be a tree farm or something. Theres no problems with driving into the middle of nowhere and riding a mountain, you wont hear complaints from anyone about that. Maine has alot more of those areas compared to NH.
Not at all true as every inch of America is owned buy someone or something and that someone or something is always watching.
Trails do not appear out of nothing they go in with the permission of the land owner or their agent. That wide open space isn't there for a free for all and people who don't get that get it closed.
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Look up Maine Advocates for Responsible Backcountry and you will see why Maine is way ahead of NH in respect to off trail riding legally
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Anything more than that facebook page, that's what comes up.
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Maine has way more land in the middle of nowhere that no one cares about. For the most part all the complaints you hear about "offtrail riding" are in congested areas where some trail rider blasted off the trail and ripped around someones field in front of their house that might be a tree farm or something. Theres no problems with driving into the middle of nowhere and riding a mountain, you wont hear complaints from anyone about that. Maine has alot more of those areas compared to NH.
Not at all true as every inch of America is owned buy someone or something and that someone or something is always watching.
Trails do not appear out of nothing they go in with the permission of the land owner or their agent. That wide open space isn't there for a free for all and people who don't get that get it closed.
I knew someone on this site would say something like this. Obviously its all owned by someone. I doubt whoever owns a million acres in the middle of nowhere walks the land every winter to make sure no one is on it. Where i ride there arent even snowmobile trails to get to the spots. We unload and ride through woods or unplowed logging roads. No one there to care, no wardens, no other people. Ever. The “offtrail” in this thread is for trail riders that see a big open spot while riding the trail in a congested built up town and rip it all up and the landowner gets pissy because it happens every year. For the most part its a teenager just having fun not caring. And it will never change. What most people on this site dont realize is theres other “offtrail” riders that you will never see when riding your trails. Judging by how many longtracks are in the northeast these days it wont be long til theres more “offtrail” guys than trail guys if it hasnt already happened.
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Anything more than that facebook page, that's what comes up.
I would give you a link to the website but its down for some reason
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[QUOTE=jshiddy112;20352248]I knew someone on this site would say something like this. Obviously its all owned by someone. I doubt whoever owns a million acres in the middle of nowhere walks the land every winter to make sure no one is on it. Where i ride there arent even snowmobile trails to get to the spots. We unload and ride through woods or unplowed logging roads. No one there to care, no wardens, no other people. Ever. The “offtrail” in this thread is for trail riders that see a big open spot while riding the trail in a congested built up town and rip it all up and the landowner gets pissy because it happens every year. For the most part its a teenager just having fun not caring. And it will never change. What most people on this site dont realize is theres other “offtrail” riders that you will never see when riding your trails. Judging by how many longtracks are in the northeast these days it wont be long til theres more “offtrail” guys than trail guys if it hasnt already happened.[/QUOTE

you will never see those “other” off-trail riders posting about off-trail.. long ways before they outnumber trail burners.

Unfortunately it’s both offtrail locations in NH, congested offtrail and in the middle of nowhere offtrail are the issues.
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I knew someone on this site would say something like this. Obviously its all owned by someone. I doubt whoever owns a million acres in the middle of nowhere walks the land every winter to make sure no one is on it. Where i ride there arent even snowmobile trails to get to the spots. We unload and ride through woods or unplowed logging roads. No one there to care, no wardens, no other people. Ever. The “offtrail” in this thread is for trail riders that see a big open spot while riding the trail in a congested built up town and rip it all up and the landowner gets pissy because it happens every year. For the most part its a teenager just having fun not caring. And it will never change. What most people on this site dont realize is theres other “offtrail” riders that you will never see when riding your trails. Judging by how many longtracks are in the northeast these days it wont be long til theres more “offtrail” guys than trail guys if it hasnt already happened.
Gonna need a moment to follow your links and fact check your data.
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