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Old 08-13-2019, 12:40 PM   #51 (permalink)
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just telling you what the word is on the street. people not going to register in this state for the doubling of fines and upping the registration fee's. a lot of people.

land owner complaints? loud ex. and riding off trial i can see. but going to fast? not buying that sorry. i'am pretty sure most bigger land owners aren't anywhere near the trials.( the timber/paper company's) i think these large land owners are more concerned with off trail riding period. and isn't the 19 corridor railroad bed owned by the state? bear notch road? cherry mountain road? mt. Shaw. so what land owners here are complaining?

when the state registrations are half what they were last. you will know why. because apparently who ever is making the rules doesn't get it.
Sounds like you don't know who the landowners are... which is why you don't get it. In the State of NH, 90% of the residents do not own motorized trail vehicles. When the rules are being made... there are a lot of non-motorized representation to landowners in the room. Even when you go to something not owned by the State... such as Forest Society owned/managed land... the trail speed even for snowmobiles drops to 25 mph and OHRV are completely restricted.
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I understand the sentiment but I can assure you that business owners are NOT going to be happy when their Winter businesses are not pulling in as much $$$ from the lower volume of snowmobile traffic.
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I understand the sentiment but I can assure you that business owners are NOT going to be happy when their Winter businesses are not pulling in as much $$$ from the lower volume of snowmobile traffic.
Granted nh isn't quebec, but when quebec raised its sled registration fee's tenfold over the years, it didn't hurt them from what i could tell. As long as the snow is on the ground i'd not worry.
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I understand the sentiment but I can assure you that business owners are NOT going to be happy when their Winter businesses are not pulling in as much $$$ from the lower volume of snowmobile traffic.
Valid point, on the surface, but a better way for any business to view their business is by what value and differentiators they offer that separates them from their competition for the TAM they are chasing and what is that business doing to capture that TAM?
What's your fair share of the business? The correct answer is all of it. Not 10%, 25%, 50% - the answer is all of it.
I never want to see businesses close but the excuse that my base left the geography is just that, an excuse. Would I like to see my registration fees go down by $10/sled? Sure. Is it more likely over time they will go up by $10/sled? Yes, where can I place my bet on that wager? That's easy money and an expectation.
We all have to follow "the rules of the game" as they are laid out in front of us and change/evolve over time. Business plans are made and business plans are changed. "Business plans are jagged lines" was great advice given to me once and it is still sound advice. No business owner weeps when their direct competition closes, they just take their customers or more likely already took them and hastened their competitors closure.

Go get 'em tiger and let your competition be unhappy if they aren't happy with the winter revenue they get. Let them blame it on the state (and you can tell them they are right even though you took their base right out from under them) instead of the business owner taking any responsibility for their business.

Yes it sounds cold and no I don't want my neighbors business to close, no I don't want my favorite restaurant/store/shop to close but everyone has to deal with the cards they are dealt and then make plans based on those cards.

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Lets look at it this way. Boston to Lebanon Maine, where i see some state trails starting is 90 miles. Now, Boston to Rochester NH, 80 miles. But, and i don't know, is it further to ride trails like Groveton, Twin Mt, Pittsburg and the such? Is it closer to jump across the border if you live in Worcester than going to Maine? Also, everytime there is a "corner cutter" it's a Masshole, is what i read. If it's off trail, it's a flat lander. If they don't register here, who ya going to blame? Guess time will tell
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Lets look at it this way. Boston to Lebanon Maine, where i see some state trails starting is 90 miles. Now, Boston to Rochester NH, 80 miles. But, and i don't know, is it further to ride trails like Groveton, Twin Mt, Pittsburg and the such? Is it closer to jump across the border if you live in Worcester than going to Maine? Also, everytime there is a "corner cutter" it's a Masshole, is what i read. If it's off trail, it's a flat lander. If they don't register here, who ya going to blame? Guess time will tell
When I first read your quote I wasn't sure how to feel about it and the terms "Masshole" and "Flatlander" to me anyway, isn't offensive but harmless. My family comes from VT. and is one of the most recognizable families in the state but, because I was born in CT. my own family considers me a Flatlander, and now due to a work transfer I am a Masshole. Thats fine, I just hope we are not all painted with such a broad brush. I have been riding for almost 50 years and my first machine was a 69 Moto Ski that seemed to always run better in August than Feb. And riding ten miles was an all day affair. My point is I ride because I love it, I dont use it as an excuse to get away from the wife and kids , get drunk and tear up the trails every weekend. Nor am I part of the never ending caravan of rigs heading north every weekend. I dont ride as much as I like and I am happy with my fifteen year old Cat's. I would probably try to ride no matter how high the cost was. I just wish that you could register your machine in your state of residence like a car and pay a fee to the state you wanted to ride in without each state having there own reg. laws. A flat fee for Reg and a flat fee for the privilege to ride in the state of your choice, no more reciprocity nonsense. I think that would definitely increase rider ship. I have also been actively looking for land in NH or Vt that would allow for trail access or a continuation of a trail that hasn't been allowed due to current owner restrictions, but no luck as of yet.
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rmo I started riding in 74 on A 69 Moto Ski an it's been my passion to this day.
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Mine was a capri, then graduated to a 66 Ski Daddler!!
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RMO, what about a mobile home park? Town water and sewer, ride from the house summer and winter. Those terms i don't use. People are people, besides, i'm from the deserts of Calif so you can start the name calling there.

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RMO, what about a mobile home park? Town water and sewer, ride from the house summer and winter. Those terms i don't use. People are people, besides, i'm from the deserts of Calif so you can start the name calling there.
I thought about that but really looking for 30 - 40 acres open space, dont want an estate just a little camp and a couple lots for my Daughters in the future , NO subdivision. You are right, there are bad people everywhere, desert in CA. ? I was in 29 palms for a couple years.
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