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Old 04-02-2018, 04:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Shutting down the productions lines for 2019 in Japan?

Apex, Phazer, Vector and Venture are gone?

4% of the market?

Only (3) new in season full size sleds to be available?

"The entire Yamaha snowmobile lineup is much leaner for 2019, with a total of just 12 models down from 34 just one year ago.

Eight Sidewinder models, along with the Viper L-TX, Viking 540, Snoscoot ES and SRX120."
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Yes they are done.
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love em but they need to keep helping cat get their quality up before they shut down . if they do . cat has gotten better every year since the 2014 start of love fest . need to keep that going .
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I hope not. Not good for the sport and they push the sport in areas that others refuse to go.
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Old 04-02-2018, 09:26 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I agree. I mention this a lot lately - here and real life - As much as I rag on Arctic CaT and Yamaha, I would really like them to stay. Competition is the driver of all companies, and that (competition) is good for the consumer.
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If Yamaha was to quit altogether I guess I'd naturally slide into the Cat camp if they were to continue to use Yamaha motors. Wherever the 998 goes, I go but I do like the new 900 ACE turbo.
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Maybe they are just thinking they will sell what they already have out there....but one has to think once that assembly line in Japan is closed down, it will not be coming back.
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Maybe they are just thinking they will sell what they already have out there....but one has to think once that assembly line in Japan is closed down, it will not be coming back.
Or maybe they will come back with a 100% all Yamaha design that set's the industry on it's arse............. Ya ya I know but a fella can dream can't he?
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Shutting down the productions lines for 2019 in Japan?

Apex, Phazer, Vector and Venture are gone?

4% of the market?

Only (3) new in season full size sleds to be available?

"The entire Yamaha snowmobile lineup is much leaner for 2019, with a total of just 12 models down from 34 just one year ago.

Eight Sidewinder models, along with the Viper L-TX, Viking 540, Snoscoot ES and SRX120."
they started putting the nails in their coffin when they went totally 4 stroke and eliminated a huge percentage of sled buyers as customers. They never had a suspension and the manufacturing agreement with Cat was good move but probably too little too late. now with Textron in control they could dump Yamaha tomorrow. Yamaha probably makes more money on generators than they do on sleds, and definitely more on bikes and outboards so why screw around with sleds.
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I completely agree that we should ALL hope that Yamaha and Arctic Cat continue in the snowmobile business, it is good for the industry and great for us the consumer.
Many things about the Textron purchase of Arctic Cat are not that well known or publisized for instance Textron has already been in the snowmobile business and for 13yrs they owned Polaris Industries 1968 to 1981. That Textron own's Weber Engine Manufacturing in Germany (they made the Polaris 750 Turbo), that Textron has closed down the German motor production and has moved it to St. Cloud MN. Textron has also closed the Augusta, GA UTV Stampede production line and moved it to Thief River Falls, MN. Textron has closed the Arctic Cat head office in Minneapolis and moved it to Providence RI (their HO). There are many other synergies that Textron has done and is actively working on; I know 1st hand that they are consolidating third party suppliers of many, many components as well as raw goods and this is of great value for all recreational aspects of the company and will greatly help the bottom line.
Where does this leave Yamaha? I'm really not sure but I do know that Arctic Cat and now Textron are very happy with the partnership with Yamaha todate. Textron is a major international company in good financial standings, they are valued by both their consumers and their stock share holders, as is Yamaha. The main reason Textron purchased Arctic Cat is it was CHEAP to do so, in fact the very first postive move Textron did when they purchased AC is to buy the company stock at a 41% increase over its previous AC stock price. This was done to minimize the impact of the purchase to their current Textron stock and its holders and to strengthen the value of its acquisition with creditor's. Was this a good idea, well Textron's stock hit a high on Dec 23, 16 at a hair under $50usd/stock, 3 months later their stock was only down by a hair less than 5%, but 1 year to the date of buying AC Textron was trading at just a hair under $61usd per share. This is approx 20% increase in stock value, this rarely happens and show's me the strength of the purchase. Now not 100% of this 20% increase is a direct result of the purchase, but it does show that even investers see the valve behind it.
With the synergies Yamaha and Textron now share, this could be a match made in heaven or a divorce on the horizen. I'm hopeful for a match made in heaven and I think we should all hope for the same. Losing 1 or even 2 manufactures in snowmobiles would hurt us all.
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