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Old 02-14-2017, 08:05 PM   #21 (permalink)
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You felt the SW is heavy to steer? I have seen them but never had the chance to ride a SW. I have a 2015 Apex w/ EPS and am really wondering do I want to trade a sled I can ride 250+ miles a day with NO arm fatigue to something I'm going to battle all day long? I'm pushing 60 years old and is the extra HP worth it?

I like to do long rides, saddlebag trips, in Quebec and the UP, but, don't want to feel like my arms are shot after a day.

Anyone else's thoughts on this would be great.
My local dealer had about 20 2017 SW's left over.
I wonder is they'll put EPS on the 2018 models which is Yamaha's 50 year anniversary for sleds.

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DO NOT make the switch. I have an 11 Apex, and just rode my buddies SW for about 40 miles. The steering is noticeably heavier than my Apex with EPS. When I got back on the Apex is when I really noticed that the EPS is so easy to steer. Also we ran side by side with a rolling 40 mph start. My Apex pulled the SW by a full sled length for I would guess 50 yards then then the SW caught up and pulled away. I had ideas of selling my Apex for a SW but not anymore. I just like the EPS too much.
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Old 02-14-2017, 08:14 PM   #22 (permalink)
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So Lid 2,
You felt the SW is heavy to steer? I have seen them but never had the chance to ride a SW. I have a 2015 Apex w/ EPS and am really wondering do I want to trade a sled I can ride 250+ miles a day with NO arm fatigue to something I'm going to battle all day long? I'm pushing 60 years old and is the extra HP worth it?

I like to do long rides, saddlebag trips, in Quebec and the UP, but, don't want to feel like my arms are shot after a day.

Anyone else's thoughts on this would be great.
My local dealer had about 20 2017 SW's left over.

I wonder is they'll put EPS on the 2018 models which is Yamaha's 50 year anniversary for sleds.

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What's the name of your local dealer? It may be worth a drive if he's sitting a bunch of them. I'm looking at getting rid of my Skidoo Renegade 800 I don't really care for it.
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a sidewinder broke in and set up right will destroy a apex and will out handle , take huge junk the apex never could ...period...I have owned both...
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Old 02-14-2017, 09:02 PM   #24 (permalink)
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a sidewinder broke in and set up right will destroy a apex and will out handle , take huge junk the apex never could ...period...I have owned both...
You're comparing apples and oranges. As they sit right now, I would take an apex any day over a sidewinder.
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Our local dealers is Ebensberg Yamaha.

Google their web site and you can see the inventory they have left.

Prices still seem higher then some dealers in Michigan that I looked at, but, with the absolutely crap winter we have had in PA, they may be willing to negotiate.

So, if I'm reading correctly, if you set a SW up properly, you can decrease the steering effort? I love the Apex, but, some extra HP of those railroad beds would be sweet.
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So, if I'm reading correctly, if you set a SW up properly, you can decrease the steering effort? I love the Apex, but, some extra HP of those railroad beds would be sweet.

yes...the skis IMHO other than perfect trails suck....I personally added 16 procross (cat) skis...and the suspension with minor adjustments and you can have easy steering...a ski like the doo 5.7's or 6.9's or slp slts would be a perfect compliment...jumping back on an apex after a well setup procross sled is like driving an 80's car...
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Old 02-15-2017, 12:36 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Our local dealers is Ebensberg Yamaha.

Google their web site and you can see the inventory they have left.

Prices still seem higher then some dealers in Michigan that I looked at, but, with the absolutely crap winter we have had in PA, they may be willing to negotiate.

So, if I'm reading correctly, if you set a SW up properly, you can decrease the steering effort? I love the Apex, but, some extra HP of those railroad beds would be sweet.
If you're looking at steering effort, and worried about fatigue, the SW will be a mistake. Trust me on this, I have ridden both. If you want a sled with more power and it will handle better than an Apex, then get the SW. I am sticking with my Apex because I go on a 16 day trip to Quebec each year and we do anywhere from 100 to 250 miles a day, every day, and I don't want to think about whether I'm gonna get tired. And IMO, a properly set up SW will not decrease steering effort, it will just make it handle better.
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And IMO, a properly set up SW will not decrease steering effort, it will just make it handle better.
wrong....I just did over 200 miles of rough trails saturday...im 185 lbs and 56 years old...if it was tough...Id be on something else..like a 800 etec....
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So Lid 2,
You felt the SW is heavy to steer? I have seen them but never had the chance to ride a SW. I have a 2015 Apex w/ EPS and am really wondering do I want to trade a sled I can ride 250+ miles a day with NO arm fatigue to something I'm going to battle all day long? I'm pushing 60 years old and is the extra HP worth it?

I like to do long rides, saddlebag trips, in Quebec and the UP, but, don't want to feel like my arms are shot after a day.

Anyone else's thoughts on this would be great.
My local dealer had about 20 2017 SW's left over.
I wonder is they'll put EPS on the 2018 models which is Yamaha's 50 year anniversary for sleds.

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Yes the steering was a lil heavy (which I expected ) in direct comparrasion to my 2 stroke. Keep in. Ind I made no suspension changes just hopped on and rode it . It was def. more work to ride it in the woods with lots of turns. BUT a I personally feel it's light years ahead of an apex (we have an 06 in the fleet that I've rode lots of times ) for me I'd take a lil more steering effort of the non power steering SW Than an apex any day. The chassis is just better in a wider range of conditions imo. You should try one if you get a chance. I liked it. It's probably not the number one choice for me in the conditions I ride and my style but it's a nice sled for sure.
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DO NOT make the switch. I have an 11 Apex, and just rode my buddies SW for about 40 miles. The steering is noticeably heavier than my Apex with EPS. When I got back on the Apex is when I really noticed that the EPS is so easy to steer. Also we ran side by side with a rolling 40 mph start. My Apex pulled the SW by a full sled length for I would guess 50 yards then then the SW caught up and pulled away. I had ideas of selling my Apex for a SW but not anymore. I just like the EPS too much.
You forgot the part where it came to hitting bumps....
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