I have a 2003 pro-x 600 with the stock Team Rapid Reaction clutch. I want to make some improvement on the clutch end but i am not too familiar with them. Does anyone have any good advice for me? Is it worth getting a different secondary (different brand) or is the Team a good clutch. I see them sold as aftermarket for other sleds and was wondering how well they perform.

The team is a very good clutch. The newer ones are lighter now, which nice, but I don't think I would spend the money to upgrade unless you were buiding a race sled.
I would recommend replacing the spring in it every season though. They do sack out pretty quick. We have them in stock if you need them.
:beerchug:

i dumped my team to get the hyperlight, worth every penny... single best upgrade i've made to mine

What did you pay for the hyper-light?

Trouble is, can you get a Hyper Light?, sweet clutch.... but????

Why, are they hard to get a hold of?

I'm deleting this

i got mine on a deal at haydays for 340 for the perc version... prices have gone up i think they are like 425 +/- now...

PEM has been going thru some teething pains lately and are currently trying to relocate to the biz (to st. cloud, mn is what i hear) so they have been tough to get in touch with and their product is horribly behind schedule for production... right now i'd guess lead times to be near 4 months or so... on the up side, it is one fantastic piece of equipment... makes the team look quite pathetic imho

I would like to get one, but until they get the show on the road I will not order one, I think I would go to the TSS 04 right now. Lots of people waiting

what is PEM asking for a deposit on a HL order? full price down and waiting 4 months is a rip, if thats what they do

Full payment

The whole thing about this is if you want to get a hyper-lite before next season you almost have to take that chance and order it now. It's going to take PEM a long time to get this straight. I guess it's just a matter of how bad do you want one. If it works have as well as I have heard, I want one. Plus its better to order one now and wait all summer to get it, instead of ordering one in November and not getting it until the last week in March. :frech32: Or worst yet, wishing all winter that you had one. :doh:

The original Team secondary that comes stock with the polaris sleds works great and the new lighter version is even better.Don't get me wrong,but u guys that want to bye the HL secondary and spend over $400.00 is totally your decision.On the sno-cross circuts all the Polaris teams use the Team Secondary and some Doo race teams also.Team secondaries are also used by Polaris racers on the grass drag circut's.My point is the Team secondaries performs well on grass,ice and sno-cross.If it performes well on all the race circuts,which it does,it will perform well for trail use also.The Team is easily calibrated with a wide variety of springs and a wide variety of angles to get you the performance thats needed for any application.The Team vs the HL is up to the individual that wants a different aftermarket secondary and is willing to spend the money,when the Team has allready been proven on the race circuts. :div20:

polaris has a deal with team, do you really think the polaris teams are gonna run something else?? sponsorship can be a b!tch sometimes... in the 440 class they aren't allowed to run aftermarket clutches... besides, the team isn't a bad clutch for a 3-4 lap heat or an 8-10 lap main... one of it's advantages comes in belt longevity and reduced heat, something the team can not do well... the team does eat belts horribly, mostly due to the outrageous side pressure it uses... that extra pressure helps create more heat which cause premature belt wear... many people blamed the infamous 080 belt as being the problem with short belt life, the 080 i had while i had a team clutch only got about 650 miles before threads were fraying, HL clutch with a new 080 belt has gotten 1200 miles with no visible signs of wear yet, not to mention that my belly pan is much cleaner now with much less belt dust... was it the belt or the clutch, was it coincidental that the team made it to full production the same year these belt problems started creaping up??? don't know... but i do know this, less wear is from less friction on the belt, meaning less slippage, which equates to more power getting to the ground and less heat... the HL's other main it's ability to keep your motor at the proper rpm regardless of condition, i found the team to be much more sensitive to conditions than the HL... seen my HL equipped sled go from loose powder to packed trail to glare ice over less the 2 miles and never did it loose a single rpm, speed of the sled changed, but the engine was always where it needed to be...

take it for what it's worth, but this has been my experience...

Team is mass produced JUNK. Just becuase its used in racing doesnt mean its proven and the best. It might work ok for short runs but once used for a while it will be worthless compared to another secondary.

Heck yeah my bellypan gets full of belt dust really quick with the team. Not to mention the stiff arse springs in the race 440's.

Hey bonz take it easy,you don't have to give me the whole tech report.I'm on the race circut and I think I know how the clutch works.Whatever u guys.Take a fricken pill,thats just my point of veiw and if u don't agree thats fine.

I will have to admit, I just started posting on this sight and I am excited with what I have seen. There is a great amount of difference in opinion and that is never bad. It makes a guy think outside of the box a bit. It helps me out because I don't really know a tremendous amount about some of the technical stuff and the difference in certain product (team vs HL). So don't get down on each other. :beerchug: :div20:

wasn't getting defensive, just posting my take on it (sometimes my posts get a bit wordy)... what i've seen and etc. as compared to how my team performed... i thought the team was a huge improvement over the old button, just to have experienced that the HL, in my eyes is just as big of an improvment over the team, doesn't mean the team is a POS, i just had better luck with the HL

Thats cool that ur having good luck with an after-market secondary,sometimes it works as a dis-advantage and your limited to the angles and the springs that come with the product.I have to use the Team because of ISR rules and I dont have any problems with using the stock secondary.Everyone that comes on here saying the Team is junk and won't shift out all the way aren't properly educated and probably don't have the resources.The Team works great just as ur HL does for you. :div20:

So even though the hyper-lite sounds good i'm thinkin i just want to get the most out of my team clutch, what are my best options?

In ur 600,put in a stock Pro XR 440 helix which is a 66/44.46 and 70/44.46,part #5133721.

Does anyone have a good set-up for the primary? Again, I am not real knowledgable when it comes to clutching. :help:

In the primary run a 150/310 spring or 165/310. The 165 will engage higher. Also run 60gm weights.

I guess it depends on what you mean by " WORKS GOOD".

The Team clutch does in fact work well as far as shifting and actual performance.
I'm sure it is a very satisfactory tool for the race enviroment.

What it is NOT is an acceptable product for real world trail use for oem quality levels!

After 4000 miles I suffered 6 belt failures, had the Team replaced by POO twice and ultimately suffered a catastrophic belt failure destroying both clutches and parts of my chassis and motor.

The team clutch starts out fine and quickly goes out of spec at the bearing surfaces leading to binding and erratic shifting/high belt temps and ultimately belt failure.
The spring pressure is very high which stresses the bushings to the point of premature wear and then the high spring pressure is intolerant of the sloppy tolerance leading to binding.

Before I get the " You don't know how to setup/tune/clutch/align etc. crap" know that I have over 40000 miles on Polaris sleds in over 20yrs and have never encountered the level of probs associated with the Team clutch in that time. Despite lot's of clutching errors/abuse and poor component choices and subsequently plenty more well executed clutching that followed after having learned the hard way.

Rest assured that my Team Clutch equipped sled was meticulously setup with respect to aligments of motor/clutch/motor mounts/torque stop/belt deflection/primary setup/spider shimming/crank runout/chassis blueprinting and then some!
Despite this level of attention as well as all the appropriate updates and springs/spacers etc. as well as 3 separate team clutches supplied by Polaris with full acknowledgement of the " problem" the inevitable conclusion became apparent.........

The Team clutch, in it's current Polaris oem form, is NOT capable of reliable/consistent performance required by real world trail riding conditions.

This observation is not limited to my personal experience either.
My local dealer saw a steady stream of team failures from touring sleds/trail riders/off trail riders and the Hard chargers alike.
This reputable shop with very competent technicians came to the same conclusions.

I was very dissapointed to see the same team clutch hanging off the end of the jackshaft of the 06 sleds.

What are you running for clutch now? You most likely posted it but I missed it :drunk: I am looking at upgrading some time

Indeed, the race team clutches and belts are inspected cleaned and R&R'ed pretty much every weekend...

Deano, I installed a team on my sled 2 years ago. It worked great until this year. The outside shive bushing wore out . Can,t replace just the bushing(have to buy a complete shive) Installed the orignal clutch for now. I won,t be reaplceing the shive (the wife gets the sled for now on) Bought a new Rage for next year. See you up north next year.

Looks like PEM who makes the hyperlight filed chapter 11. I never heard about this until I read this on another post. Here is a link.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getc...04_1252&invol=1

So who wants to be my business partner and buy the patent for the hyper-lite??!! :band:

Nickels

Didn't you use the newer redesigned version of the Team this past year.
If so how was it?

It was stated to be 1lb lighter, improved bushing material and design. cooler running and tighter tolerances.
??

Thanks

that is not them...

Yes I used the newer team clutch last year. No complaints from me with the clutch. Only problem I had is I used the same shims from the stock team. Well I blew a couple belts,and found out the allignment was off a little bit. After I got that fixed I haven't had any problems. Can't really tell much difference between the two clutches performance wise. The newer one might run a little cooler. Hopefully it will hold up for the long haul.

My bad. Just copied it from another post.

You guys have me nervous now. I'm pretty certain I'll be creeping up on the 4000 mile mark on my '04 X2 this coming season. Is it going to hold up?? Are there things I should be replacing (or have Polaris replace, bought sled new as left over last year)? When did the improved version come out, for the '04 models? Seems as though I have heard of more Team problems with '03 Pro Xs.

My 04 team is still tight.

the improved version is not available for oem use yet... the tss-04 model is only an aftermarket upgrade at this point, the 03-06 polaris' will be using the tss-98 version...