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PARKINDALE TRAILRIPPERS ASSO
Everybody's been talking about this supposed 2nd reflash,was it just a rumor or is poo gonna address this issue 1 belt life,2 poor mileage,3 poor top end#'s.I sent poo an email & stated I wasn't overly impressed with these issues (they woulnd't even email me back?) what kind of customer service is that? If they do not even have the guts to reply to my email I doubt very much they'll help with anything at all.(disapointed) And to top it all off U can buy the indentical sled $3000.00 plus dollars cheaper than spring check.WTF :banghead:
fusion900
Polaris won't confirm when it is coming. I sure hope it is soon. I am only getting 6.5 mpg.
PARKINDALE TRAILRIPPERS ASSO
QUOTE(fusion900 @ Feb 13 2005, 08:37 PM)
Polaris won't confirm when it is coming.  I sure hope it is soon.  I am only getting 6.5 mpg.
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I really think this is pathetic,I didn't bitch to poo I just asked for help? It's my first poo & I think it'll be the last one :cn:
pureadrenaline
I realy hope they fix the problems i have been hearing about or we may just get a Doo Rev or Yamaha Apex!
ProPolaris
Get some time on the sled, make sure you have the clutch drag issue cleared up and make sure you run good fuel.

1. Poor top end. See above. These sleds get faster - a lot faster - when they get a few miles on them. 26T top will help.

2. Ditto for mileage. I'm getting 11-14 now and I ride hard and have and SLP pipe on now. Mileage was about the same with stock exhaust.

3. I've yet to blow a belt and everyone I've talked to who has blown one was in very deep snow, slippin and cooking the belt. Make sure your torque stop is solid and tight. If you need a new one, there is a larger one out of an '04 PROX 800 that will fit. Polaris is also working on new, stiffer motor mounts and vents that will help belt life. Why weren't the stock? Then people bitch about vibration and the EPA squawks about noise. Can't have it both ways.

But if you want, buy a Rev or an Apex. The Rev will freeze you to death and many - including me - are not thrilled with the riding position or the ride. The Apex? Not ready for 4-strokes yet; I have a big 4-stroke in my garage but it is in my motorcycle. That's where it belongs.
Mid Range
QUOTE(fusion900 @ Feb 13 2005, 08:37 PM)
Polaris won't confirm when it is coming.  I sure hope it is soon.  I am only getting 6.5 mpg.
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6.5 mpg!!!!!!!! wow!!!

in good conditions my average is 13-14 mpg.We just did a trip over 1,100 miles and there was a 600XC sp 2002 with us and we were pretty equal in gas consumption.

I got mine reflashed once and it was for cold start and leaning the sled at mid-range.I really like that sled so far.....especially the riding position.
kurtz
Mine is working great. I am sure it will get even better with the new primary. I get 12 - 16 mpg depending on the riding style and the weather. I only want a bit more top end!!
900cfi
My gas mileage is also between 12-16mpg depending on riding conditions.I just want some more top end,and quit blowing belts and I would keep it for another year and maybe buy another poo.I put on 54 miles yesterday running hard in deep snow and slush and I only put in 16.5litres of gas.The yammie 600 that was with me put in 27 litres.
ProPolaris
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54 miles yesterday running hard in deep snow and slush


That's why you're blowing belts. The sled makes enough power and the 1 1/4 - 121 will motor through it but it loads the track and slips the belt. The engine makes so much power and torque, you can't stop - if you were on a 700 or a 800, you wouldn't be blowing belts because you'd be stuck. You'd probably be happier with a Switchback or an RMK.
PARKINDALE TRAILRIPPERS ASSO
QUOTE(ProPolaris @ Feb 14 2005, 02:22 AM)
That's why you're blowing belts. The sled makes enough power and the 1 1/4 - 121 will motor through it but it loads the track and slips the belt. The engine makes so much power and torque, you can't stop - if you were on a 700 or a 800, you wouldn't be blowing belts because you'd be stuck. You'd probably be happier with a Switchback or an RMK.
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why I'm blowing belt's? I dont brake trail(always on groomed) It doesnt seem to matter if I'm wfo or just cruising,I am a very agressive rider which i know is part of the reason I get bad mpg.I went for a cruise and put on 120 miles & drove like someone's grandma and only got 10.5 mpg? top speed so far 102 on digital on ice road(approx 1 mile wfo)Everything has been checked at dealer several times.I know I'm not the only one with these issues.Why doesn't poo help us out? :banghead:
fastrider
QUOTE(PARKINDALE TRAILRIPPERS ASSO @ Feb 13 2005, 08:41 PM)
I really think this is pathetic,I didn't bitch to poo I just asked for help? It's my first poo & I think it'll be the last one :cn:
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how many miles on the sled?
fusion900
I have 800 miles and I never get over 7 mpg. I went on a trail ride with my wife and I got 10 mpg. I wish I could get over 10 all of the time. My sled has also been checked and rechecked. My belts last about 100-200 km. I would rather have stiffer motor mounts and live with the vibration. The torque stop from the 04 800 pro X is the same as the fusion. My dealer ordered me a differant torque stop as recommended by SLP.
GSI11j
In regards to the belt blowing issue this is truley a clutching issue, I just got back yesterday from Valdor Canada, put on 1000 miles. Before I left I changed the clutching. I only had 60 miles on the sled mainly on the lake. I noticed premature belt wear after the 60 miles on just mild lake riding. The driven spring in the secondary clutch is to soft with the stock helix. The heavy 74 gram weights in the front clucth just totally pull on the belt so hard the driven clutch doesn't not have enough resistance to give feed back to the front clutch. This creates excessvie heat because the driven clutch is just slipping the belt up and down the shieves. The fix is to go with a heavier driven spring or less helix angle. Do not gear the sled up with the current clutching this will make it worse. If your running heavy snow I'm sure the belt life is short. I've got a nice clutch set up availible and I'm looking for someone who wants to try it. I will sell you the kit at my cost and I'm looking for feed back. You would need to send your clutch's to me as the primary belt gap needs to be adjusted and I've seen on my primary clutch, the weights are hitting the spider. I have a fix without grinding in the spider. In any event after 1000 miles belt looks new pulled 112 on speedo on hard pack trail accelearation and back shift was improved. If interested leave an email address.
The one thing I noticed is the seat is very hard, my butt is trying to recover today.
Gas mileage was around 12 mpg.
HotROdLincoln
anybody wanting to tighten up backshift and cut belt heat down, you can use the red/blk secondary spring with stock helix. its a 140-240 rate. it cleans it up. only down fall is shift up speed is slower.
900cfi
QUOTE(ProPolaris @ Feb 14 2005, 01:22 AM)
That's why you're blowing belts. The sled makes enough power and the 1 1/4 - 121 will motor through it but it loads the track and slips the belt. The engine makes so much power and torque, you can't stop - if you were on a 700 or a 800, you wouldn't be blowing belts because you'd be stuck. You'd probably be happier with a Switchback or an RMK.
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I am blowing belts when I am riding on hard packed lakes also.Why is my Fusion the only machine blowing belts and I ride with alot of guys.That is a bunch of BS.There are other fusions riding the same conditions as I am and they are on the same belt after 1500miles.Mach z not blowing belts F7 not blowing belts and the list goes on. I ride with 600,700,800 and they don't get stuck.
polaris9500
put in a erlandson clutch kit.accelerates lots better. way less belt slippage. havent blown a belt yet.
Wood
QUOTE(ProPolaris @ Feb 13 2005, 09:51 PM)
Get some time on the sled, make sure you have the clutch drag issue cleared up and make sure you run good fuel.

1. Poor top end. See above. These sleds get faster - a lot faster - when they get a few miles on them. 26T top will help.

2. Ditto for mileage. I'm getting 11-14 now and I ride hard and have and SLP pipe on now. Mileage was about the same with stock exhaust.

3. I've yet to blow a belt and everyone I've talked to who has blown one was in very deep snow, slippin and cooking the belt. Make sure your torque stop is solid and tight. If you need a new one, there is a larger one out of an '04 PROX 800 that will fit. Polaris is also working on new, stiffer motor mounts and vents that will help belt life. Why weren't the stock? Then people bitch about vibration and the EPA squawks about noise. Can't have it both ways.

But if you want, buy a Rev or an Apex. The Rev will freeze you to death and many - including me - are not thrilled with the riding position or the ride. The Apex? Not ready for 4-strokes yet; I have a big 4-stroke in my garage but it is in my motorcycle. That's  where it belongs.
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How much time is enough? I've got 700 miles on mine, vibration and gas mileage are atrocious, 3 belts, torque stop is f#cked, brake light doesn't work, primary sounds like it's going to explode, won't idle properly and best top end in the last 650 miles is 101 mph. First 50 miles on this sled were great except for fuel consumption. It's been a downward spiral ever since. Where's the relation between vibration and a quiet exhaust???????? Are you saying they can't design a quiet sled that doesn't vibrate? C'mon now. Happy for you and your Fusion but mine is a piece of $hit. I've left it at the end of my driveway for the last two days/nights and even the thieves know better. :frech32:

Oh yeah, if anyone wants a new Fusion, come to Eastern Canada. Any dealer can help you out with color options as they have many in stock to choose from and some great prices to boot. You can save upwards of $2500.00 plus taxes over what Snowcheckers paid........you know, the people who took a chance and supported Polaris' new ground breaking flagship model, bought into the 'limited availability' crap, paid top dollar and are currently getting screwed. Sorry to rant but I am absolutely pissed and can't afford a shrink to talk to as all my money goes towards belts and fuel.
PARKINDALE TRAILRIPPERS ASSO
I couldn't have said it better myself wood,but as far as belts go they will warranty them for ya.(all this tells me is that poo knows there's a problem) censored.gif
ProPolaris
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Where's the relation between vibration and a quiet exhaust???????? Are you saying they can't design a quiet sled that doesn't vibrate?


I said quiet. I didn't say exhaust. Part of the reason the IQ's are tough on belts is because the hood seals up very tight to contain noise; all noise, not just exhaust but also mechanical and intake noise. If you open up the hood and pan to let out some of the heat, you also let out more noise.

And, yes, Polaris can design a big engine that doesn't vibrate. The only problem is that the way to do this requires a counterbalancer and that adds weight and money.

That's what I meant by having it both ways; if Polaris solved all your concerns, you might not be any happier. Snowmobiles, like a lot of things in life, are all about compromise. I've worked on my Fusion a bit and I can honestly say it is the best Polaris, the best snowmobile I've ever ridden. By quite a margin.
fusion900
I am thinking of removing the foam under the hood just to the outside of the air box. This would allow more air towards the clutches and I don't see the purpose of it. I already have the foam on the side panel removed. I just noticed tonight that my track has white cords showing in a number of places between the lugs on the flat portion of the track. I give up, I am tired of going to my dealer. I just wanted a sled I could fuel and ride. Something new comes up everyday. Thanks for listening. I do like the sled but I think there should have been some more R and D done. How are your tracks?
mshanno
I have had one reflash and changed to a 26 tooth top gear. I was out this past weekend and got 15.7 m.p.g I have never blown a belt but the dealer did when then cut the spider, they were at 120m.p.h when it let go, prior to that it would only got up to 106. With the setup now it will run about 126. Limiter strap pulled up two holes, front a-arm spring is 3/4 in from max to stop role. Keep track at proper tention, redrill rear limit stop back about 1/2 in which will give about a 2" lift on skis. Do not have waker evens at max on rear, 4 or 5 cliks from max.
NOW---HOW DO WE STOP THE VIBRATION, WHICH IS MY ONLY PROBLEM. flag_canada.gif
mnmsnowbeast
QUOTE(ProPolaris @ Feb 14 2005, 08:21 PM)
I said quiet. I didn't say exhaust. Part of the reason the IQ's are tough on belts is because the hood seals up very tight to contain noise; all noise, not just exhaust but also mechanical and intake noise. If you open up the hood and pan to let out some of the heat, you also let out more noise.

And, yes, Polaris can design a big engine that doesn't vibrate. The only problem is that the way to do this requires a counterbalancer and that adds weight and money.

That's what I meant by having it both ways; if Polaris solved all your concerns, you might not be any happier. Snowmobiles, like a lot of things in life, are all about compromise. I've worked on my Fusion a bit and I can honestly say it is the best Polaris, the best snowmobile I've ever ridden. By quite a margin.
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Not trying to rain on your polaris,and the way you have had such great luck with all of them in the past and the fusion you now have,but have you spent any serious time on some of the other top machines,like doo's rev 800 or mach z,or the rx1 or cats f-7 or zr9 i mean they all have short comings,but until i left poo and tried some of the other offerings i was so poo faithful,that now i have a more open mind,toward what the competion has to offer,now i was hoping this would be all it was suppose to be,and for some i guess it is,but mine is just not there yet,but it is getting better,all except the gas milage,just did 600 miles and milage was a huge concern,had to plan carefully.
mnmsnowbeast
QUOTE(PARKINDALE TRAILRIPPERS ASSO @ Feb 14 2005, 07:59 AM)
why I'm blowing belt's?  I dont brake trail(always on groomed) It doesnt seem to matter if I'm wfo or just cruising,I am a very agressive rider which i know is part of the reason I get bad mpg.I went for a cruise and put on 120 miles & drove like someone's grandma and only got 10.5 mpg? top speed so far 102 on digital on ice road(approx 1 mile wfo)Everything has been checked at dealer several times.I know I'm not the only one with these issues.Why doesn't poo help us out? :banghead:
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Very good question park,mine is not much faster and i still blow belts on hard pack,and milage about 6-9 mpg too all updates done.
killerrf
my '05 f7 EXT gets 8 mpg at WOT cuttin' trail all day if that makes you poo guys feel any better. 70 miles of that and im suckin' slough water.
twitch54
QUOTE(ProPolaris @ Feb 13 2005, 09:51 PM)
Get some time on the sled, make sure you have the clutch drag issue cleared up and make sure you run good fuel.

1. Poor top end. See above. These sleds get faster - a lot faster - when they get a few miles on them. 26T top will help.

2. Ditto for mileage. I'm getting 11-14 now and I ride hard and have and SLP pipe on now. Mileage was about the same with stock exhaust.

3. I've yet to blow a belt and everyone I've talked to who has blown one was in very deep snow, slippin and cooking the belt. Make sure your torque stop is solid and tight. If you need a new one, there is a larger one out of an '04 PROX 800 that will fit. Polaris is also working on new, stiffer motor mounts and vents that will help belt life. Why weren't the stock? Then people bitch about vibration and the EPA squawks about noise. Can't have it both ways.

But if you want, buy a Rev or an Apex. The Rev will freeze you to death and many - including me - are not thrilled with the riding position or the ride. The Apex? Not ready for 4-strokes yet; I have a big 4-stroke in my garage but it is in my motorcycle. That's  where it belongs.
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in response to #3 you couldn't be farther from the truth, take a hard look at the Mach Z ... No noise and No Vibration and other than a few fouled plugs I've heard of no other major complaints from the dozen or so owners I have had discussion with.
Wood
QUOTE(mshanno @ Feb 14 2005, 08:46 PM)
I have had one reflash and changed to a 26 tooth top gear. I was out this past weekend and got 15.7 m.p.g  I have never blown a belt but the dealer did when then cut the spider, they were at 120m.p.h when it let go, prior to that it would only got up to 106. With the setup now it will run about 126. Limiter strap pulled up two holes, front a-arm spring is 3/4 in from max to stop role. Keep track at proper tention, redrill rear limit stop back about 1/2 in which will give about a 2" lift on skis.  Do not have waker evens at max on rear, 4 or 5 cliks from max.
NOW---HOW DO WE STOP THE VIBRATION, WHICH IS MY ONLY PROBLEM. flag_canada.gif
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126 mph and 15.7 mpg......from going up 1 tooth on top? I've seen guys dump thousands into big bore kits and pipes and not get those kinds of gains. Mshanno, are you fibbing?
Straightliner
QUOTE(Wood @ Feb 14 2005, 11:41 PM)
126 mph and 15.7 mpg......from going up 1 tooth on top? I've seen guys dump thousands into big bore kits and pipes and not get those kinds of gains. Mshanno, are you fibbing?
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I have tested every combo with the 92in chain best speed is GPS 113 MPH with 26/35 geared for 1.35@117mph Your setup 26/37 is 1.42@111mph. (Later)
coldsmoke1
bull shit i got over 3000miles in it and it still is a pig on gas and it very slow worst sled i ever had thanks polaris u lost me i will b selling this sled to get a mach z
HotROdLincoln
QUOTE(coldsmoke1 @ Feb 15 2005, 11:33 AM)
bull shit i got over 3000miles in it and it still is a pig on gas and it very slow worst sled i ever had thanks polaris u lost me i will b selling this sled to get a mach z
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have you researched the mach z? i have'nt heard much about it. saw on on trailside this past weekend changing out a plug. what about that mach 1 800 in the rt chassis?
kurtz
To bad for all you guys having trouble. My biggest problem is getting my new primary.
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