Full Version: The Fusion Is Redeemed!
I went to Turkey Pond in Concord, NH today with my brother and his 02 Viper with Bender Triple pipes. The pond was glare ice with about 1/2" of snow. As you can see by the attached picture of my GPS the Fusion does go. I actually hit 116mph before this run. I hit 115-116mph consistently and the speedo read 115-116 mph every time, it's dead accurate. I had the ECU reflash done and tried running the sled with air box gutted but lost almost 10mph, you have to run the airbox stock, you guys that have gutted it may be giving up top end. I would crush the Viper out of the hole, and when we did roll-ons at 75mph we would stay dead even all the way, his sled was not one bit faster. As far as the tach, my analog gauge read about 7300 rpm all the way, even though the digital locked in at 7500rpm, I don't think it's accurate. Anyway for you naysayers watch out, The Fusion does go good. These runs were about 1/3 mile.
QUOTE(69redmach1 @ Dec 26 2004, 04:49 PM)
I went to Turkey Pond in Concord, NH today with my brother and his 02 Viper with Bender Triple pipes. The pond was glare ice with about 1/2" of snow. As you can see by the attached picture of my GPS the Fusion does go. I actually hit 116mph before this run. I hit 115-116mph consistently and the speedo read 115-116 mph every time, it's dead accurate. I had the ECU reflash done and tried running the sled with air box gutted but lost almost 10mph, you have to run the airbox stock, you guys that have gutted it may be giving up top end. I would crush the Viper out of the hole, and when we did roll-ons at 75mph we would stay dead even all the way, his sled was not one bit faster. As far as the tach, my analog gauge read about 7300 rpm all the way, even though the digital locked in at 7500rpm, I don't think it's accurate. Anyway for you naysayers watch out, The Fusion does go good. These runs were about 1/3 mile.
hey redmach is your sled 100% stock,mine only showed 98mph although it only had about 50 miles on it(maybe low top end due to mixed fuel in tank)any ideas why I'm not getting top end?whats your average mpg?
144 studs, nothing more. Have you had the re-flash?
I still think they're running a little rich even with the re-flash, my plugs were still a little dark.
I still think they're running a little rich even with the re-flash, my plugs were still a little dark.
Hey man I have that same GPS just got it yesterday I'm having a problem getting it to stay on I tried all different batteries. I tried charging some rechargables that were supposed to be ready to go, it stayed on I put it in the window to get a signal came back 5 mins later and it shut off It powers up then shuts off, What kind of batteries do you use and have you had any problems? :beerchug:
It powers up then shuts off, What kind of batteries do you use and have you had any problems? :beerchug:
I'm glad to see the speedo is dead nuts accurate. How much ice is out there?
QUOTE(FusionMan @ Dec 26 2004, 05:51 PM)
Hey man I have that same GPS just got it yesterday I'm having a problem getting it to stay on I tried all different batteries. I tried charging some rechargables that were supposed to be ready to go, it stayed on I put it in the window to get a signal came back 5 mins later and it shut off It powers up then shuts off, What kind of batteries do you use and have you had any problems? :beerchug:
It powers up then shuts off, What kind of batteries do you use and have you had any problems? :beerchug:Give Garmin cust service a call they are top notch, should be to get you fixed up.
69 mach, were there alot of sleds there? did you race other sleds, or keep to urselfs? were people parking on the ice? I enjoy going and watching, have no studs to play on that track, just trail studs, it's fun to watch from my truck though.
QUOTE(graynfast @ Dec 26 2004, 08:10 PM)
69 mach, were there alot of sleds there? did you race other sleds, or keep to urselfs? were people parking on the ice? I enjoy going and watching, have no studs to play on that track, just trail studs, it's fun to watch from my truck though.
amazingly enough, no one was there. There were tracks, though, other sleds were there Sat. I just wanted to put this no top end b.s. to rest about the Fusion. If your sled's not hitting this speed on ice, you've got problems. I think most of the guys spreading this crap on the internet don't even own one. As far as the Shootout, that was on dirt, launching from a trench, means nothing.
QUOTE(69redmach1 @ Dec 26 2004, 09:44 PM)
amazingly enough, no one was there. There were tracks, though, other sleds were there Sat. I just wanted to put this no top end b.s. to rest about the Fusion. If your sled's not hitting this speed on ice, you've got problems. I think most of the guys spreading this crap on the internet don't even own one. As far as the Shootout, that was on dirt, launching from a trench, means nothing.
Are you happy with take-off and what gas octane?
you did it right, let polaris figure them out before modding things, to bad there weren't more there, I didn't wan't to drive all the way to find out, that place is like a magnet for hot sleds, seen guys come from vt. ny.
QUOTE(sledaholic @ Dec 26 2004, 08:47 PM)
Are you happy with take-off and what octane?
This thing is absolutley mental off the line. I also own an 03.5 BM RevX 800 and an 03 XC800SP. My Rev flies but I never got better than 109mph on this pond, 112 mph with the XC. The Fusion will crush them both. These other guys that are getting spanked by 600 and 700's have driving issues or they don't even own Fusions :frech32: This thing is the hardest accelrating sled I've owned. My advice is to keep it stock, just studs, and you won't be dissappointed. I would hit 110-113 mph at 1/4 mi mark and then keep going from there. I think in a longer run like 1/2 -3/4 mile it will even hit higher speeds. Mine never stopped accelerating until I lifted. There were bystanders there in awe watching me hit 116 mph, they've heard the b.s. on the internet about the Fusion being a total clam. I figure it will be fun this winter as we're considered the underdog, We've got nothing to lose, everyone thinks Fusions don't go. My hat's off to Polaris also for getting that ecu reflash out so fast! Remember in '03? That took like a month and a half for the CDI update and it didn't help anyway.
what kind of studs were you using?
Woody's 1.45" Gold diggers carbide, trail studs. I'm not setup for lake racing, just wanted to put this issue to rest. Also, this sled is much more stable than my Rev 800 at high speed, not as twitchy. My studs already have 300 miles of hard trail riding on low snow conditions so they arent't exactly sharp.
QUOTE(69redmach1 @ Dec 26 2004, 10:20 PM)
Woody's 1.45" Gold diggers carbide, trail studs. I'm not setup for lake racing, just wanted to put this issue to rest. Also, this sled is much more stable than my Rev 800 at high speed, not as twitchy. My studs already have 300 miles of hard trail riding on low snow conditions so they arent't exactly sharp.
I went with 144 of the Woody's Sig. Ser. 1.375". My cousin has the same set up and went to Caribou Maine. He loved the sled other than turning ability. The suspension was adjusted for take-off. Dealer said to tighten track strap one notch and turn block to middle position until 8" carbides are in. :div20:
QUOTE(69redmach1 @ Dec 26 2004, 09:20 PM)
Woody's 1.45" Gold diggers carbide, trail studs. I'm not setup for lake racing, just wanted to put this issue to rest. Also, this sled is much more stable than my Rev 800 at high speed, not as twitchy. My studs already have 300 miles of hard trail riding on low snow conditions so they arent't exactly sharp.
Are you running the stock gears?
QUOTE(69redmach1 @ Dec 26 2004, 04:49 PM)
I went to Turkey Pond in Concord, NH today with my brother and his 02 Viper with Bender Triple pipes. The pond was glare ice with about 1/2" of snow. As you can see by the attached picture of my GPS the Fusion does go. I actually hit 116mph before this run. I hit 115-116mph consistently and the speedo read 115-116 mph every time, it's dead accurate. I had the ECU reflash done and tried running the sled with air box gutted but lost almost 10mph, you have to run the airbox stock, you guys that have gutted it may be giving up top end. I would crush the Viper out of the hole, and when we did roll-ons at 75mph we would stay dead even all the way, his sled was not one bit faster. As far as the tach, my analog gauge read about 7300 rpm all the way, even though the digital locked in at 7500rpm, I don't think it's accurate. Anyway for you naysayers watch out, The Fusion does go good. These runs were about 1/3 mile.
Well you and pol900 should hook up,he is just around the corner from you 69red and his is now running good too,his name is chris,he and myself went up to eustis a couple week back,chris is a great guy,i hope to hook up with him in a few days,and i am going out to a local lake tomorrow,after we do the reflash in the morning,i hope it helps,i also have the front end lowered some,we put a .800 thousands stop in bottom of both front ski shocks to lower the front end,for better handling,and increased top end,and i have my etrex legend pluged in to my 12 volt plug now,so keeping batteries up should not be a problem,and i have seen 157 mph on my gps so i know its close,because the sled running it ran 160 thru the speed traps,at New England... :banana:
Hey 69redmach,
Glad your sled goes good for you. :div20: Hope you have good luck with it :beer2:
Ride Safe-----WIND.
Glad your sled goes good for you. :div20: Hope you have good luck with it :beer2:
Ride Safe-----WIND.
QUOTE(wind @ Dec 27 2004, 12:40 AM)
Hey 69redmach,
Glad your sled goes good for you. :div20: Hope you have good luck with it :beer2:
Ride Safe-----WIND.
Glad your sled goes good for you. :div20: Hope you have good luck with it :beer2:
Ride Safe-----WIND.
My dealer says POO says it should run at 7500 after the reflash. He wants me to go to 72 weights & 26 top gear. I'd rather keep the 74's & go with more spring like a black white or almond. Anybody ?
QUOTE(16 lake lodge @ Dec 27 2004, 01:34 AM)
My dealer says POO says it should run at 7500 after the reflash. He wants me to go to 72 weights & 26 top gear. I'd rather keep the 74's & go with more spring like a black white or almond. Anybody ?
Try both set-ups, your on the right track more weight will load you down on start, more spring will help your engagement to pull that load. More weight you can carry on the far end and hit your target rpm the faster the ET or speeds. Try every combo you can think of. Those are good numbers, that 69redmach,is showing :div20: but you guys want to understand them are top notch conditions. There is not much resistance on ice conditions. It is a good idea to carry a camara with your GPS. Stops a lot of the BS loud mouths.
QUOTE(69redmach1 @ Dec 26 2004, 09:02 PM)
This thing is absolutley mental off the line. I also own an 03.5 BM RevX 800 and an 03 XC800SP. My Rev flies but I never got better than 109mph on this pond, 112 mph with the XC. The Fusion will crush them both. These other guys that are getting spanked by 600 and 700's have driving issues or they don't even own Fusions :frech32: This thing is the hardest accelrating sled I've owned. My advice is to keep it stock, just studs, and you won't be dissappointed. I would hit 110-113 mph at 1/4 mi mark and then keep going from there. I think in a longer run like 1/2 -3/4 mile it will even hit higher speeds. Mine never stopped accelerating until I lifted. There were bystanders there in awe watching me hit 116 mph, they've heard the b.s. on the internet about the Fusion being a total clam. I figure it will be fun this winter as we're considered the underdog, We've got nothing to lose, everyone thinks Fusions don't go. My hat's off to Polaris also for getting that ecu reflash out so fast! Remember in '03? That took like a month and a half for the CDI update and it didn't help anyway.
I was asked by a couple of Excellent Polaris tuners to tell you that you have some nerve calling them poor drivers and not owning sleds......We have photographed and documented 4 different Fusions that struggle getting over 105mph.....these guys are throwing money and time into tuning and resent your statements!
Just the messenger!
And yes I have driven and raced several Fusions
QUOTE(69redmach1 @ Dec 26 2004, 08:44 PM)
amazingly enough, no one was there. There were tracks, though, other sleds were there Sat. I just wanted to put this no top end b.s. to rest about the Fusion. If your sled's not hitting this speed on ice, you've got problems. I think most of the guys spreading this crap on the internet don't even own one. As far as the Shootout, that was on dirt, launching from a trench, means nothing.
I agree, I had 104 in less than 1/2 mile with 10 miles on mine and 112 the next day with 200 miles same distance, it was still pulling like a banshee at that speed just ran out of real estate
I agree, I had 104 in less than 1/2 mile with 10 miles on mine and 112 the next day with 200 miles same distance, it was still pulling like a banshee at that speed just ran out of real estate
QUOTE(69redmach1 @ Dec 26 2004, 09:02 PM)
This thing is absolutley mental off the line. I also own an 03.5 BM RevX 800 and an 03 XC800SP. My Rev flies but I never got better than 109mph on this pond, 112 mph with the XC. The Fusion will crush them both. These other guys that are getting spanked by 600 and 700's have driving issues or they don't even own Fusions :frech32: This thing is the hardest accelrating sled I've owned. My advice is to keep it stock, just studs, and you won't be dissappointed. I would hit 110-113 mph at 1/4 mi mark and then keep going from there. I think in a longer run like 1/2 -3/4 mile it will even hit higher speeds. Mine never stopped accelerating until I lifted. There were bystanders there in awe watching me hit 116 mph, they've heard the b.s. on the internet about the Fusion being a total clam. I figure it will be fun this winter as we're considered the underdog, We've got nothing to lose, everyone thinks Fusions don't go. My hat's off to Polaris also for getting that ecu reflash out so fast! Remember in '03? That took like a month and a half for the CDI update and it didn't help anyway.
Keep us posted. Sounds good.
QUOTE(tracksidedown @ Dec 27 2004, 12:22 PM)
I was asked by a couple of Excellent Polaris tuners to tell you that you have some nerve calling them poor drivers and not owning sleds......We have photographed and documented 4 different Fusions that struggle getting over 105mph.....these guys are throwing money and time into tuning and resent your statements!
Just the messenger!
And yes I have driven and raced several Fusions
Just the messenger!
And yes I have driven and raced several Fusions
I have to agree with Track,,,,We are getting the same results here,,,, can anyone back this guy up?
Take a close look at that speedo..what do you think.. :cn:
How about we keep this thread to only Fusion owners? I'm not really interested in what F7 or other sled owners are observing. This info is for Fusion guys only, if you don't own one and have an opinion, I don't really want to hear it. You other sled guys have it out for the Fusion and don't want to hear anything but how bad 1 or 2 sleds run. That's not typical of how they will run. There's 4 guys in our group that have Fusions and they all perform the same.
Both guys are correct, one mostly ice snow conditions testing, the other hard pack with icy conditions. The Fusion is geared 25:37--1:48 Ratio 108.9 @7500. Ok 115 ice conditions not much resistance yes possible. Now 105 that day and maybe 109 with re-flash of ECU is that fair to say 3 to 4 mph gain with up-date on hard pack snow ice conditions. Running what it should run on those conditions. A lot of guys will be happy just the way the sled runs out of the box. The top speed MPH means nothing to me unless you are doing speed runs and shooting for big numbers playing around on the lake. ET wins races what I have seen so far the Fusion will hold her own in 660ft in class and out of class and good tuners shooting for top end just need to find the right combo with gears & clutching and will be as fast as the rest or faster. (Later)
Glad to hear that it is running good ,mine is going in on thurs.My dealer also told me polaris will be deciding next week if they will be making clutchig changes due to the problems they were having with some..
track's post is about fusions. they have 2 or 3 fusions with guys who know what they are at struggling to get 105. makes you wonder....maybe he had his gps on in the truck on the way to the sledding site then lodged it on the dash.....ha ha...just kiddin bud. good job. as for beating and staying with a viper...not very hard imo...i beat them all the time. they are not fast.
QUOTE(zrnewf @ Dec 27 2004, 05:16 PM)
track's post is about fusions. they have 2 or 3 fusions with guys who know what they are at struggling to get 105. makes you wonder....maybe he had his gps on in the truck on the way to the sledding site then lodged it on the dash.....ha ha...just kiddin bud. good job. as for beating and staying with a viper...not very hard imo...i beat them all the time. they are not fast.
If I could get my '05 Duramax to go past 96 mph, I would. Damn speed limiter shuts me down. :doh:
QUOTE(zrnewf @ Dec 27 2004, 05:16 PM)
track's post is about fusions. they have 2 or 3 fusions with guys who know what they are at struggling to get 105. makes you wonder....maybe he had his gps on in the truck on the way to the sledding site then lodged it on the dash.....ha ha...just kiddin bud. good job. as for beating and staying with a viper...not very hard imo...i beat them all the time. they are not fast.
Dude, the Viper has bender pipes on it...it's not the same pig you usually beat on...you and everyone else for that matter. Just a side note.
69redmach1, I am only posting here b/c you linked me here...Couple of thoughts for ya:
Every sled is different. If TSD says his buddy's sleds aren't cracking 105 I am sure he is being honest, other than that, he's just saying don't lump in all the 13 year olds with screen names that claim they own Fusions with the poor bastards who's sleds aren't running different. My 04 F7 is a toilet seat and I will be the first one to admit it...on the top end that is...but if you take 10 other F7s they may all kill me...I am sure the same goes for the Fusion so not everyone will have a kick ass top end like yours...
Also, as mentioned, and I know you know this, you were on perfect conditions. My 03 ZR 900 went 109 last week on Back Lake and then 116 yesterday...conditions mean a lot, and like I said, every sled is different.
Glad your's is one of the strong ones, but we still need to hook up and see who gets to that top speed first cuz that's where it's at! :div20:
Oh, and my buddy, Chris in Hookset, NH (Blacksaber7) has a Fusion and it only ran right for about 10-20 miles...it had all sorts of trouble codes and clutch issues. I can't remember if his dealer did the reflash for him already, but I hope so, and I know he was waiting for back ordered clutch parts. I hope his runs like yours after! :beerchug:
Sounds to me liked "supposed" Tuners tried the fusion in poor conditions and with no breakin time and then to top it off threw mods/adjustments at it to really slow it down. All these Cat guys claiming Poo dropped the ball is quite curious. Any "tuner" aint worth sh!t IMO without first getting some time/miles down in stock form under various different conditions before "experimenting" with an all-new sled. "All-new" are the key words, there is no precedent. Reminds me of SLP with their silencer thats already been out for some time...minimal testing and now many seem to be much slower with it installed. Past few years Poo has made damn good sleds right out of the box. I doubt this one is any different. Hey red69, thanks for answering me about the ice thickness.
QUOTE(HotROdLincoln @ Dec 27 2004, 06:25 PM)
Sounds to me liked "supposed" Tuners tried the fusion in poor conditions and with no breakin time and then to top it off threw mods/adjustments at it to really slow it down. All these Cat guys claiming Poo dropped the ball is quite curious. Any "tuner" aint worth sh!t IMO without first getting some time/miles down in stock form under various different conditions before "experimenting" with an all-new sled. "All-new" are the key words, there is no precedent. Reminds me of SLP with their silencer thats already been out for some time...minimal testing and now many seem to be much slower with it installed. Past few years Poo has made damn good sleds right out of the box. I doubt this one is any different. Hey red69, thanks for answering me about the ice thickness.
Hotrod,
I agree with you on most of that, but the Cat guy, at least TSD, was just passing on his Fusion budy's thoughts. I don't remember it as him $hitting on Poo, and you do have to admit that the last couple of 800s Poo put out were not anywhere near the REVS, F7s, or ZRs when racing. The dynos on them were hanis too, but enough of that...The Fusion, when reflashed and clutched right with Picks will rock and roll I'm sure. :beer2:
QUOTE(69redmach1 @ Dec 27 2004, 05:46 PM)
How about we keep this thread to only Fusion owners? I'm not really interested in what F7 or other sled owners are observing. This info is for Fusion guys only, if you don't own one and have an opinion, I don't really want to hear it. You other sled guys have it out for the Fusion and don't want to hear anything but how bad 1 or 2 sleds run. That's not typical of how they will run. There's 4 guys in our group that have Fusions and they all perform the same.
hey red i see in your picture there that there's a mach z .how does he run?compared to the fusion?
cool he should have stated that the viper was bender'ized. ha ha...as for the duramax going only 96, I got one phraze for ya, the juice! nice.....good to see the fusion gettin some speed....i was only joking about the gps on the dash!
QUOTE(HotROdLincoln @ Dec 27 2004, 06:25 PM)
Sounds to me liked "supposed" Tuners tried the fusion in poor conditions and with no breakin time and then to top it off threw mods/adjustments at it to really slow it down. All these Cat guys claiming Poo dropped the ball is quite curious. Any "tuner" aint worth sh!t IMO without first getting some time/miles down in stock form under various different conditions before "experimenting" with an all-new sled. "All-new" are the key words, there is no precedent. Reminds me of SLP with their silencer thats already been out for some time...minimal testing and now many seem to be much slower with it installed. Past few years Poo has made damn good sleds right out of the box. I doubt this one is any different. Hey red69, thanks for answering me about the ice thickness.
HCS is pretty much a F7 and Rev site. More F7. If you're a Polaris rider expect to be at the bottom of the food chain. Just the way it is. Since Rob created the no bash zones it has improved. There's still a few good sources of information here. Pockets is very good. I wonder what he's been doing with the Fusions? Pockets?
I'm 69redmach's brother. I was the one who had the piped viper at Turkey Pond. His Fusion does go! :div20: Granted, the conditions were perfect for top speed runs(new virgin ice with just enough snow to lube the sliders), but it really did 115. We had 2 GPS units with us. Mine read 114 the same run his read 115. These are the honest true speeds we reached. Because my studs were a couple seasons old, I didn't have the hook his new Fusion did. But during roll on's above 40 mph we were side by side. His sled has a little more mid range punch than mine, but top end they are extremely close. We'll see what happens after I dial in my clutching...the Heel Clickers are on the way, Pete!! Temp was about 20 and Baro pressure was on the low side. Had the temp been colder and pressure higher, we would have gone faster. My sled was over reving by 700 rpm. Should be even faster after I re-clutch. This pond is notorious for its fast speeds. (almost at sea level) 
QUOTE(HotROdLincoln @ Dec 27 2004, 06:25 PM)
Sounds to me liked "supposed" Tuners tried the fusion in poor conditions and with no breakin time and then to top it off threw mods/adjustments at it to really slow it down. All these Cat guys claiming Poo dropped the ball is quite curious. Any "tuner" aint worth sh!t IMO without first getting some time/miles down in stock form under various different conditions before "experimenting" with an all-new sled. "All-new" are the key words, there is no precedent. Reminds me of SLP with their silencer thats already been out for some time...minimal testing and now many seem to be much slower with it installed. Past few years Poo has made damn good sleds right out of the box. I doubt this one is any different. Hey red69, thanks for answering me about the ice thickness.
Didn't have a way to measure the ice but looking at various air pockets it looked like 6"+. We're going back tomorrow or Wed. to measure
I can justify the performance of the Fusion. Yesterday I took my Fusion to a nearby pond and ran it on about a 1000-1200 foot run on the ice,perfect conditions. I have a radar gun and it would consistently run 112-113 mph on radar and about 114-115 on speedo. It is completely stock except for the reflash and a .75 inch speed track with 192 ice picks in it. The thing is an animal out of the hole, absolute strongest pulling stock sled I have been on. There was a ZR 900 there also and the Fusion would consistently beat it from either dead start or roll on runs. On radar the ZR would do about 109-110 but it didnt have the pull that the Fusion has. I dont know what the problem is with some of your Fusions but these damn things go like hell. 
QUOTE(wfo440 @ Dec 27 2004, 08:16 PM)
I can justify the performance of the Fusion. Yesterday I took my Fusion to a nearby pond and ran it on about a 1000-1200 foot run on the ice,perfect conditions. I have a radar gun and it would consistently run 112-113 mph on radar and about 114-115 on speedo. It is completely stock except for the reflash and a .75 inch speed track with 192 ice picks in it. The thing is an animal out of the hole, absolute strongest pulling stock sled I have been on. There was a ZR 900 there also and the Fusion would consistently beat it from either dead start or roll on runs. On radar the ZR would do about 109-110 but it didnt have the pull that the Fusion has. I dont know what the problem is with some of your Fusions but these damn things go like hell.
The more some "tuners" play with these sleds the worse they get. Kinda makes a guy scratch his head and go.....Hmmm.
QUOTE(rt1000mach-z @ Dec 27 2004, 06:46 PM)
hey red i see in your picture there that there's a mach z .how does he run?compared to the fusion?
We did a couple of races up in P'bur on the trail, no lakes. My sled would get him by a couple sled lengths off the line but we did no top end runs and my buddy weighs 350lbs so he's got a "slight" disadvantage. He and I are going back to Turkey Pond tomorrow or Wed. and we're running the MachZ and mine. I'm going to run his sled for him to see what we get for top speed without the weight penalty. I bet it does 120+ mph.
QUOTE(actionfigurejoe @ Dec 27 2004, 08:19 PM)
The more some "tuners" play with these sleds the worse they get. Kinda makes a guy scratch his head and go.....Hmmm.
AFJ, I was out in the field across from your place on Sunday. Jim and I ran our sleds, my 05' f7 sno pro and his fusion. He also showed 115-116 on speedo this season. I will say this is the best sled pullyourass has put out. period. We traded wins all day. My sled needs a few more miles and studs to see true results, but the fusion is very strong. :beerchug: I will say that right now my 03' is faster.
QUOTE(wfo440 @ Dec 27 2004, 08:16 PM)
I can justify the performance of the Fusion. Yesterday I took my Fusion to a nearby pond and ran it on about a 1000-1200 foot run on the ice,perfect conditions. I have a radar gun and it would consistently run 112-113 mph on radar and about 114-115 on speedo. It is completely stock except for the reflash and a .75 inch speed track with 192 ice picks in it. The thing is an animal out of the hole, absolute strongest pulling stock sled I have been on. There was a ZR 900 there also and the Fusion would consistently beat it from either dead start or roll on runs. On radar the ZR would do about 109-110 but it didnt have the pull that the Fusion has. I dont know what the problem is with some of your Fusions but these damn things go like hell.
Which ZR 900?
QUOTE(HotROdLincoln @ Dec 27 2004, 06:25 PM)
Sounds to me liked "supposed" Tuners tried the fusion in poor conditions and with no breakin time and then to top it off threw mods/adjustments at it to really slow it down. All these Cat guys claiming Poo dropped the ball is quite curious. Any "tuner" aint worth sh!t IMO without first getting some time/miles down in stock form under various different conditions before "experimenting" with an all-new sled. "All-new" are the key words, there is no precedent. Reminds me of SLP with their silencer thats already been out for some time...minimal testing and now many seem to be much slower with it installed. Past few years Poo has made damn good sleds right out of the box. I doubt this one is any different. Hey red69, thanks for answering me about the ice thickness.
A friggin men AJ. I've noticed alot of that around here....... :beer2: I'll repeat what a buddy said years ago, in regard to all these guys who spend more time wrenching than riding....."Polaris has a whole team of engineers designing this sled, what am I, a friggin' expert?" I think that captures the sentiment pretty good. Sure, there's always gains to be had, often times compromises, the smart guys at least wait until everything is broken in, before they start tearing apart a setup, that alot of professionals took alot of time to develop.
QUOTE(69redmach1 @ Dec 27 2004, 08:20 PM)
We did a couple of races up in P'bur on the trail, no lakes. My sled would get him by a couple sled lengths off the line but we did no top end runs and my buddy weighs 350lbs so he's got a "slight" disadvantage. He and I are going back to Turkey Pond tomorrow or Wed. and we're running the MachZ and mine. I'm going to run his sled for him to see what we get for top speed without the weight penalty. I bet it does 120+ mph.
When are you guys going? I might hed up for some fun runs! :banana:
QUOTE(bosssho @ Dec 27 2004, 08:45 PM)
Which ZR 900?
What do you mean?
QUOTE(wolfie @ Dec 27 2004, 08:52 PM)
A friggin men AJ. I've noticed alot of that around here....... :beer2: I'll repeat what a buddy said years ago, in regard to all these guys who spend more time wrenching than riding....."Polaris has a whole team of engineers designing this sled, what am I, a friggin' expert?" I think that captures the sentiment pretty good. Sure, there's always gains to be had, often times compromises, the smart guys at least wait until everything is broken in, before they start tearing apart a setup, that alot of professionals took alot of time to develop.
I couldn't agree more. This IS a fuel injected sled and the exhaust, clutching, intake, gearing is precisely matched to this motor. The mfg's don't leave much on the table anymore. People like to bash Polaris but they were the KIng of sales for how many years? Remember the '98XC700? I had one, nothing stock could touch it. What about the '02 XC800? go back to your old Amsnow mags, that thing was strong. I will admit Polaris dropped the ball in '03 and '04 but they can build a good sled. All the mfg's have had ruts, just the way it is with this super stiff competition.
QUOTE(bosssho @ Dec 27 2004, 08:52 PM)
When are you guys going? I might hed up for some fun runs! :banana:
I'll keep you posted.
These guys have alot of Trophies between them on Polaris's...Cmon guys ever hear of mule sleds, lights, timing equipment ??? Of course you are going to be able to tell if you are making gains! Some of these sleds have 600 miles on them already!
The guy who won both 700 classes in Shoal Lake Manitoba last winter had less than 300 miles on his sled!
I do NOT have it in for the Fusion, Jeepers there are pics on here of me racing on one...but your comments were insulting to my friends who have been working on making this sled go fast! Some of the best rider/tuners in this province are on Poo's....
Wasn't so much the speed you reported it was the shot about riding ability and honesty from Cat Riders.....my 05F7SP 1.375 only gets 105mph (GPS) in boxstock form
Furthermore I put up a post with AWESOME fusion pics and results, do a search
I like to "report" what I see in the field as well as documenting through Digital Pictures...maybe I should have been a Journalist ??, rest assured if one of my buds hits 115mph, with clutching, gearing and suspension adjustments, I WILL report it!
The guy who won both 700 classes in Shoal Lake Manitoba last winter had less than 300 miles on his sled!
I do NOT have it in for the Fusion, Jeepers there are pics on here of me racing on one...but your comments were insulting to my friends who have been working on making this sled go fast! Some of the best rider/tuners in this province are on Poo's....
Wasn't so much the speed you reported it was the shot about riding ability and honesty from Cat Riders.....my 05F7SP 1.375 only gets 105mph (GPS) in boxstock form
Furthermore I put up a post with AWESOME fusion pics and results, do a search
I like to "report" what I see in the field as well as documenting through Digital Pictures...maybe I should have been a Journalist ??, rest assured if one of my buds hits 115mph, with clutching, gearing and suspension adjustments, I WILL report it!
Get a grip trackside. It is pretty obvious you are a cat man so people are going to take your posts with a grain of salt. These sleds run right out of the box and as of now alot of tuning isnt going to get very far. :argue:
Woody's 1.45" Gold diggers carbide, trail studs. I'm not setup for lake racing, just wanted to put this issue to rest. Also, this sled is much more stable than my Rev 800 at high speed, not as twitchy. My studs already have 300 miles of hard trail riding on low snow conditions so they arent't exactly sharp.
Woody's 1.45" Gold diggers carbide, trail studs. I'm assuming you are running 1.25" track,,,,,,, 69 red mach, the speeds you are claiming sound way off for what your running. Here is a guy who is setup for speed and getting more realistic speeds. Choice of track, traction products determine the final top speed.
QUOTE(wfo440 @ Dec 27 2004, 08:16 PM)
I can justify the performance of the Fusion. Yesterday I took my Fusion to a nearby pond and ran it on about a 1000-1200 foot run on the ice,perfect conditions. I have a radar gun and it would consistently run 112-113 mph on radar and about 114-115 on speedo. It is completely stock except for the reflash and a .75 inch speed track with 192 ice picks in it. The thing is an animal out of the hole, absolute strongest pulling stock sled I have been on. There was a ZR 900 there also and the Fusion would consistently beat it from either dead start or roll on runs. On radar the ZR would do about 109-110 but it didnt have the pull that the Fusion has. I dont know what the problem is with some of your Fusions but these damn things go like hell.
Woody's 1.45" Gold diggers carbide, trail studs. I'm assuming you are running 1.25" track,,,,,,, 69 red mach, the speeds you are claiming sound way off for what your running. Here is a guy who is setup for speed and getting more realistic speeds. Choice of track, traction products determine the final top speed.
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