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Alright guys, there will be ice drags again this year in Lyons Brook. The problem last year was the division of classes and the rules regarding studs. I know alot of guys from Sutherlands only run picks and wedges because they're always on the lake. They wouldn't come last year because those studs would land them in the full open classes with those, COUGH!, CB Stock sleds, ya know the ones, with the cool down boxes and other stock accessories. The main question is what do you guys think should be the stud rule? My personal thoughts are that you need a trail class for stock sleds with carbide tipped trail studs but for stock and improved run what ya brung for studs, maybe a max penetration rule but picks and wedges legal. Wouldn't this make more sense? The recreational trail riders can have some fun and run a trail class while others that are travelling with improved sleds can run the studs they want to provide traction rather than spiining your guts out with carbide trail studs. Maybe even those fast cats from CB could make a trip! Last year it was all Ski-Doo from Cape Breton with some good workin, well set up sleds. I know some of guys were here last year so Speak Up and give me input to take to the powers that be so we can lay something in stone. That way everyone will know before they get here what the rules are.
Thanks in advance and PLEASE respond
Thanks in advance and PLEASE respond
There should be at least 3 classes. Stock - for non studded sleds,
Stock studded and improved.
I know alot of people wont race their sled with studs because they are automatically put in the improved class and only carbide trail studs in stock studded no ice picks or chissels.
Stock studded and improved.
I know alot of people wont race their sled with studs because they are automatically put in the improved class and only carbide trail studs in stock studded no ice picks or chissels.
I`m with Maxxpower on this one....PIcks and Chissels are imp.,these are not
trail freindly studs...so put them where they should be ................
Cape Breton Stock................................
trail freindly studs...so put them where they should be ................
Cape Breton Stock................................
QUOTE(caper711cc @ Nov 17 2004, 05:50 PM)
I`m with Maxxpower on this one....PIcks and Chissels are imp.,these are not
trail freindly studs...so put them where they should be ................
Cape Breton Stock................................
trail freindly studs...so put them where they should be ................
Cape Breton Stock................................
you don't have a say there Caper...you don't even drive anymore
LOL
:beer2: OOH THE SASS. :beer2: GOING UP NEXT SUNDAY.....SLED IS GOING TO BE IN NEXT WEEK THEY ARE LEAVING TOUGH RUBBER BALLS NOV 20TH AT THE LATEST YEE HAA....
Are you talking Real Ice drags (lake) or Snow/Ice (field)
If it is real Ice I think no studs is dangerous, and the ins. company may agree.
My thoughts as a for fun "club racer"
Stock no studs (maybe)
Stock with trail studs
Imp Trail Studs
Imp / pro bring what ya got
After running the grass drags for the Annapols Valley Lake and Ridge Runners I wish you the best of luck determining what STOCK & improved is with out a tear down.
By adding Imp with Trail Studs you are opening up a class where more
"club racers" can compete with a sled that has say pipes but is not cut and bored and is studed for the trail.
You will get more entries that way, as long as the word gets out.
Maybe some day we will have club rules that will quickly determine classes for events. By standardizing them guys would be more likley to move around.
Just my
worth
I'll try and be there either way.
CB Yellow did well at our Grass Drags for sure, see the results that are posted.
If it is real Ice I think no studs is dangerous, and the ins. company may agree.
My thoughts as a for fun "club racer"
Stock no studs (maybe)
Stock with trail studs
Imp Trail Studs
Imp / pro bring what ya got
After running the grass drags for the Annapols Valley Lake and Ridge Runners I wish you the best of luck determining what STOCK & improved is with out a tear down.
By adding Imp with Trail Studs you are opening up a class where more
"club racers" can compete with a sled that has say pipes but is not cut and bored and is studed for the trail.
You will get more entries that way, as long as the word gets out.
Maybe some day we will have club rules that will quickly determine classes for events. By standardizing them guys would be more likley to move around.
Just my
worthI'll try and be there either way.
CB Yellow did well at our Grass Drags for sure, see the results that are posted.
It's an ice race, so a no stud class is not a good idea. the problem is that alot of guys wouldn't come last year because they couldn't run picks unless they ran against some of the big mods. The classes are a problem, where do you draw the line between improved and all out race sled... someone puts a $300 can on his sled and he has to run improved and a 9 second ashphalt race sled shows up and he runs improved as well...
I believe last year only 4 sleds showed up with ice picks, all from CB, and were forced to run against each other even though they were different class sleds. It's an ice race and you can prepare accordingly. you'll never hook a 600cc and up sled on ice with trail studs, stud it with whatever ya want and let motors determine winners
Thanks for the options and keep them coming
I believe last year only 4 sleds showed up with ice picks, all from CB, and were forced to run against each other even though they were different class sleds. It's an ice race and you can prepare accordingly. you'll never hook a 600cc and up sled on ice with trail studs, stud it with whatever ya want and let motors determine winners
Thanks for the options and keep them coming
Thats where I'm coming from a simple "can" and Trail Studs won't cut it. That describes my sled. Even with pipes ( improved ) a sled with trail studs can't be expected to run against picks.
That is why I suggest
Stock trail studs
Imp trail studs
Imp with Picks
In the end you will have more sleds show up and make more money for the club.
Many guys will pay to move up a class, so some of the Imp trail stud guys would also run the Imp with Picks or move up a CC class knowing they will run against other sleds with trail studs.
Keep the imput coming in. Your helping these guys build a super event.
It's OK to have different ideas, share em.
That is why I suggest
Stock trail studs
Imp trail studs
Imp with Picks
In the end you will have more sleds show up and make more money for the club.
Many guys will pay to move up a class, so some of the Imp trail stud guys would also run the Imp with Picks or move up a CC class knowing they will run against other sleds with trail studs.
Keep the imput coming in. Your helping these guys build a super event.
It's OK to have different ideas, share em.
QUOTE(Weiner127 @ Nov 17 2004, 05:21 PM)
Alright guys, the club will be having the ice drags again this year in Lyons Brook. The problem last year was the division of classes and the rules regarding studs. I know alot of guys from Sutherlands only run picks and wedges because they're always on the lake. They wouldn't come last year because those studs would land them in the full open classes with those, COUGH!, CB Stock sleds, ya know the ones, with the cool down boxes and other stock accessories. The main question is what do you guys think should be the stud rule? My personal thoughts are that you need a trail class for stock sleds with carbide tipped trail studs but for stock and improved run what ya brung for studs, maybe a max penetration rule but picks and wedges legal. Wouldn't this make more sense? The recreational trail riders can have some fun and run a trail class while others that are travelling with improved sleds can run the studs they want to provide traction rather than spiining your guts out with carbide trail studs. Maybe even those fast cats from CB could make a trip! Last year it was all Ski-Doo from Cape Breton with some good workin, well set up sleds. I know some of guys were here last year so Speak Up and give me input to take to the powers that be so we can lay something in stone. That way everyone will know before they get here what the rules are.
Thanks in advance and PLEASE respond
Thanks in advance and PLEASE respond
Easy on the CB COUGH sleds big guy :beerchug:
BAY BOYS
RACING
Just pokin fun man, no offense intended. I'm from there. :div20:
If it is a ice race then I think picks should be aloud in stock class as long as the sled is stock. If someone is going to a ice race with trail studs that's there problem.
If I took my sled to an ice race I would run some type of ice studs so I could get maximun traction, and I probably would be upset if someone put me in improved when my sled is stock.
But that is just my opinon, I think everyone will have something different to say.
If I took my sled to an ice race I would run some type of ice studs so I could get maximun traction, and I probably would be upset if someone put me in improved when my sled is stock.
But that is just my opinon, I think everyone will have something different to say.
Lots of notice in advance may solve your problem
I'm with cat#1 one this one..no Mather what you are running you want to get all the traction you can get..if it's a ice drag than get the best studs possible..this is something like single pipe stock and multi pipe stock,if you run those classes together.. what's the difference with running all studded classes the same.
Anyone have a track to fit my 2000 XC ? either with or without holes / studs.
QUOTE(North Star @ Nov 18 2004, 06:43 PM)
Anyone have a track to fit my 2000 XC ? either with or without holes / studs.
hey caper.
when are ya drivin down south to get that motor...LOL
:drunk:
North Star a freind of mine here got a New Polaris track ,0 zero miles
350.00 .....e-mail me............
Cape Breton Stock..............
350.00 .....e-mail me............
Cape Breton Stock..............
Keep with the carbide studs in the stock class , the guys running picks and chisels are improved.Why lose the average guy who just wants to run his sled for fun to accomadate 1 or 2 oddly fast sleds. We all know who they are especially the ones who are whinning.We are planning to come up this year with our improver the has chisels I might add and our stocker that runs mega bytes.We ran alot of races and the ones that complain are usually the ones that are cheating. :augen41:
Great input! Give me your opinion on this, if someone shows up in stock with a different track, is it legal, like a 1/2" lug grass drag track? Or should stock maintain the stock track?
In my opinion you should have the stock studded class only run trail friendly studs.
Improved is another story, run what ya brung. Here in CAPE BRETON when the EASTERN TRAIL BLAZERS hold a hillclimb there are no studs alowed. So we lose out on alot of mainlanders and others who use studs all year on their trail sleds. And you lose out on us because most dont run studs at all... Mostly the only sleds here that run studs are the improvers so no worries on that part. And by the way not EVERYONE from CAPE BRETON is a cheater, there are 2 old mercs in a barn in reserve mines that have never been touched.. SEE YOU in the highlands. (no studs necessary)
Improved is another story, run what ya brung. Here in CAPE BRETON when the EASTERN TRAIL BLAZERS hold a hillclimb there are no studs alowed. So we lose out on alot of mainlanders and others who use studs all year on their trail sleds. And you lose out on us because most dont run studs at all... Mostly the only sleds here that run studs are the improvers so no worries on that part. And by the way not EVERYONE from CAPE BRETON is a cheater, there are 2 old mercs in a barn in reserve mines that have never been touched.. SEE YOU in the highlands. (no studs necessary)
I never called anyone a cheater. And if any of those Mercs is a 76 440 Liquid Sno-Twister I may be interested. I remember watching Gord race a 250 Merc Sno-Twister against a Honda CR250 at Buds on ice one year in a 5 lap grudge match, Gord took the lead at Lap 3 and went on to win. My brother also had a 440 Twister like the one Gord had only not quite so modded, they were fast.
Are the Eastern Trailblazers having that hill climb again this year and any chance they're goin to take studded sleds. We were dyin to go down last year but not if we have to rip all the studs out. :div20:
Are the Eastern Trailblazers having that hill climb again this year and any chance they're goin to take studded sleds. We were dyin to go down last year but not if we have to rip all the studs out. :div20:
At our grass drags we had enough stock sleds to run both studed and unstuded classes. Improved all had studs.
As far as the rules we used the basic ISR rules and took things like weight out. I can send them to you guys by fax if you want them. We did not run any prostock, so some of the improved seemed real improved!
What I plan to do in the future for the AVLRR races is post simple rules like this 2 weeks prior to the race. Our posters will tell everyone to look here.
Stock classes
May have different airboxes or filters but not a modified OEM air box.
Gears / clutches (internal only) changes, OEM carbs but jetting etc ok. Stock Exst. and muffler. Have to have OEM Track or similar lug size. Must be running pump gas. Regular length skis. Stock heads with no internal engine work. OEM track length for the model, All lights / gauges must be in place, no extra holes in hood. OEM seat. Stock Studed must be trail studs no Chisles or picks.
That way you know what you are heading into. In the end I bet you would get more racers, particularly new guys. Get them hooked and then they will decide to move up into Improved etc.
If the rules start to get standardized with out becoming complicated everyone will win. I think this post was a great idea. It is a starting point. I'll try and use your rules for our snowdrags.
As far as the rules we used the basic ISR rules and took things like weight out. I can send them to you guys by fax if you want them. We did not run any prostock, so some of the improved seemed real improved!
What I plan to do in the future for the AVLRR races is post simple rules like this 2 weeks prior to the race. Our posters will tell everyone to look here.
Stock classes
May have different airboxes or filters but not a modified OEM air box.
Gears / clutches (internal only) changes, OEM carbs but jetting etc ok. Stock Exst. and muffler. Have to have OEM Track or similar lug size. Must be running pump gas. Regular length skis. Stock heads with no internal engine work. OEM track length for the model, All lights / gauges must be in place, no extra holes in hood. OEM seat. Stock Studed must be trail studs no Chisles or picks.
That way you know what you are heading into. In the end I bet you would get more racers, particularly new guys. Get them hooked and then they will decide to move up into Improved etc.
If the rules start to get standardized with out becoming complicated everyone will win. I think this post was a great idea. It is a starting point. I'll try and use your rules for our snowdrags.
We will be having the king o9f the hill if everything works out. THe reason we dont allow studs at the hill climb is because of the hill not us.
THe ski hill doesnt want broken or pulled through studs lying around.
Take the studs out and come on down. LOts of fun and a good test for NFLD
THe ski hill doesnt want broken or pulled through studs lying around.
Take the studs out and come on down. LOts of fun and a good test for NFLD
So where's the place to get event insurance? Thinking about snow drags at this end of the province for Feb. sometime...
Laurie Cranton and I were looking into Ins for all the SANS clubs for Speed events. We wanted and still want to use the ISRA insurance, but the last I heard they had not come to an agreement with a Canadian Underwriter.
The Annapolis Valley Lake & Ridge Runners Grass Drags used Bluenose Ins in
Syd CB. Ask for Glenda
Basic Insurance, covers the landowner, organizers, spectators, nothing much for the participants and thier machines. ( must sign a waiver )
The Annapolis Valley Lake & Ridge Runners Grass Drags used Bluenose Ins in
Syd CB. Ask for Glenda
Basic Insurance, covers the landowner, organizers, spectators, nothing much for the participants and thier machines. ( must sign a waiver )
North Star: Thanks for the info., I just found out we've got the insurance covered, not sure where at, not my department in this case.
Wiener127: I'm pm'ing ya
Wiener127: I'm pm'ing ya
I'd like to know where / which ins company so I have options in the future. :cn:
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