What do you think?

2001 ZRT 600 will have:
Mbrp can
DD clutch kit
120 studs

VS.

2002 ZR 800:
144 Studs


800 has the big bore advantage but zerts a triple.

ZRT-115HP
ZR8-140HP
NOW YOU KNOW WHO WINS

ZR 800 by a mile ,, no compition,, not even close,,,, only o fool would think a 600 zrt would win that one but hey if you have $$$ to put up i would run you with my 800

the zrt is 121hp in 2001, but the 6 hp isnt going to get it close to the zr800

BRING ON THE ZR800's ! 660',from a dead stop, on the ice--- be ready!!




,,,,,, I didn't say I'd win. All things being equal (tuned & traction), the ZR8 is gonna win, but its closer than what you may think. snap

guys its a triple. triples are a different breed..

will have to see once winter comes along, if im on it i think it will be close as im around 125 pound the zr8 riders probably pushing 200.. the zirt is stock 121, mbrp is 3-5 hp more, saves weight then clutch kit will help to pull a bit harder, i think it will be close

if i got those black magic pipes there would be no question as then the zirt would be 140hp.. but first

I'VE HAD BOTH
IM SURE SOMEWHERE OUT THERE IS A ZRT6 THAT WILL BEAT A ZR8 IN 500' MAYBE EVEN 660'
CURRENT WORLD RECORD SPEED FOR 600 TRIPLE/TRIPLE IS AROUND 106/1000'
800 TWIN/SINGLE PIPE IS AROUND 117/1000'
I RACED IN THE CENTRAL WISCONSIN SPEED ASSOC WITH MY STOCK ZRT6
THE BEST RUN I EVER HAD WAS 103.6 MPH/1000'
I WEIGH 260#

what do F6s pull, couple guys on here with f6s say they've beat zr8s just comparision..

well let me see i run with 1 F 6 , she might weigh oh 110lbs,, never been close.. i run with an 2 F 7 and depending on the day its always a toss up i would say we are 50/50,,, but to really think you can take a zr 800 you must be on crack ,,,, triple or not its a 600,, triple weighs more ,, and its only a 600,, the horse power is that much greater on the 800,, anyways sorry man just venting because this is just dumb!!!so final answer 800 by LOTS

The ZR 8's gonna clean up. I don't put much stock in the fact the zrt's a triple, I run with a couple different 600 triples (1 Yam, 1 Pol). My ZR600 wins, the Pol rider think's I'm hiding something. hehehe

I have raced many ZRT600's with my old 800. Not even close.

It will not even be close, the zr8 will dust it. Ride with some 01/02 zr8's and 02 zrt6 with D&D pipes, vforce3, power breather, gutted air box and clutched and it is still behind my F7 and the zrt6 just sucks the snow dust on the trail and the lake.

What is this crap about "but its a triple"? That would only possibly help you on long lake runs when the triple spools much higher rpm, allowing it to catch (eventually) the 800, which only runs a max 7200 rpm. I believe my baby zirt was around 8200 peak. If the gear ratios were the same and given enough distance the zrt WOULD win, but exactly how much is enough, not sure. Otherwise there is absolutely NO advantage for this sled being a triple, in fact, the shorter the race, the more the DISADVANTAGE for the baby zirt. I've had both, the zirt is fun to ride, but sorry, not gonna happen unless it is one sick 800.

yeah HP, and overall big bore of the zr8 is going to win i just want to see by how much..

One word TORQUE...the 800 has WAYYYYYYYYYY more. The 800 will crush it on the bottom with that advantage. Been there done that. Top end you are doing really well to get 110 out of the 600 and doing well to do 115 with the 800. Yeah, it's a triple. It will NEVER EVER EVER no matter how long the run catch the 8 when there is at least a 5 mph difference in top end.

In my experience at least 15 lengths maybe 20 or more in a 1 mile lake run....and the longer you go the more lengths you put on the poor triple.

My zirt 600 did well over 110 with only a clutch kit. Not that it means much, but I beat a guy on a XCR600 sp and I had my girlfriend on the back!
Those baby zirts are fast and I my zirt had more top end than my 800 does. Could be a multitude of reasons, I have reverse on the 800, I weigh more now, but fact is they are fast just not going to compete against a 800 in a short race. I believe they can take them on the big end though, at least in my experience, you might need a lake 10 miles long to catch the 800, but it will be done. IMO. Would I take a zrt600 over a zr800? HELL NO! Was the zrt 600 a blast to ride! Resounding YES! Corner to corner the 800 would eat its lunch. They both weigh similarly, but the zrt just needs to spool up more. Oh, the sounds, my '96 was intimidating, people get out of the way at just the sound of you coming up. I miss that.

the only thing, this is a 2001 so it has powervavles, no previous zirt is supposed to come anywhere near the 2001 or 2002, it is really snappy, you hit it and she lifts the skis and flies, it's almost instantanious throttle response but the 800 has them to so it would be the same..

the zirt holds its own , it is a fast sled but 800 teritory only time will tell, most likely will not but i think it would be closer then what some of you are thinking..

and yes captain when ever we pull into a gas station that triple sounds nice :div20:

I dont think the 800 does 115.

hey Jeffzr i see you rode a whopping 500 miles ,, i have done that in a weekend ,, so with my expiriance to yours let me tell you the 800 will do 115mph,,and a good one will be close to the 120mph

That was last winter cause my pos arcticcat stator went out and I had othere things I had to take care of at the time. Maybe some of the ZR 800s will do 115,but Ive always seen them radared at about 105-110.

nothing perosonal but why does it matter how many miles you do in a season, it doesn't mean you know more about sleds, your just ridden more one season.. and it doesn't in any way mean you have more experience as the season before he could of ridden 10,000miles.. in the end who cares if your all having fun on your sleds why does it matter someone has ridden more miles than another person..

ok, lets settle this. not many speedometers are accurate. my viper will do 120+ on the speedo but only about 105 on radar. the 800 will do 115-120 on the speedo which is actually 105-110 on radar. you were both right. problem solved.

My friend has both 97 ZRT 600 and 02 ZR800 and the 800 walk all over hands down.

the 2002 zr 8 has powervalves the 97 zrt 600 does not that and the the big bore advantage there would be no possible way to beat the 2002 with a 97.. so it would smoke it..

I have a friend who used to ride a '01 zrt 600 that had pipes, ported and polished, racing pistons etc. , it reved about 10,000 rpm...and it still couldnt beat a ZR8. I think the displacement difference is too much for the 600 to overcome.

I have beaten many zr8, xc8 with my 97 zrt600, who rides in wells ny they will tell you. My sister has a 2003 zr 800 from bottom to top running the whole lake still ahead. its clutched, geared, piped, and jetted. :beer2:

Ive had both. I went from a 2001 ZRT 6 with Black magic pipes clutch kit and can to an 02 zr8 and the 8 would kill the ZRT in a drag race. I say kill but i would guess at least 4 sled lengths. That might not seem like a ton but see how much money you have to spent on the ZRT to make up those lengths. Also no stock zr is going 120..No way no how.

ZR8 walks on the ZRT6.

My ZR8EFI was bone stock including clutching. I had 144 studs down the middle. On radar, 110MPH 4-different runs, with the highest being 110.9MPH. Ice with little to no snow cover.

My buddy has a 99zrt 600LE with v force reeds and a clutch kit, also jetted down. My 01 ZR800LE stock minus clutch kit pulls the zrt at every speed. We played around on a 13mile long lake in Northern ME, there is no comparison. My other buddy has an 00 tcat with a black magic clutch kit obviously not tuned well cause I would pull even him in the top end, as well as an rx-1 warrior we had in the group. The warrior and tcat were consistantly neck and neck. When my valves were not opening however I was neck and neck with my buddies zrt, same with a pro-x 6.

The ZRT will get flushed . The only way it could win is if you took out his spark plugs. Even then he would have enough time to get his spare set in and still beat the you, ---not really---.


My vote is for the ZR800

who ever is running a zrt600, and is not beating or staying with a zr 800, does not have it set up right.... Im running my stock bore, stock cylinders, stock compression, its jetted, clutched, geared, this past year I put a set of BM pipes on it, because I found them cheap. I'v raced f7, zr8, xc8, xc7, xc6, my friends zr9 with DD twin pipes, jetted, clutched, pulls me by a little on the big end. my friend has a 98 zrt6 with psi pipes, trail ported cylinders with shim kit, bored carbs, clutched, geared, he isn't set up right but still cant run with me...Its in the set up.


Here comes a zrt 600 :augen41:

well guys im not sure where you guys are getting your numbers but up here in northbay ontario we run a 2000 ft radar race and testing every weekend and the fastest stock zr 800 in 2002 was carlsons sports at 119 mph thats stock but with a speed track ,picks and lowered ! now a bone stock 800 with the .85 or 1inch track not lowered or geared by the way will run around 108 or so on ice not snow.now my 20o2 zr which i just bought after my zr700 burned to the ground ran 117.1 mph and thats with a speed track, geared35/26,clutched and lowered not chained down on a great day. thats pretty quick now putting the stock track in and the radar times were about 111 to 112.they will run 120 but need alot of chassis tuning and the coditions have to be just right.but i will say they are stump pullers and im giving my buddy jasons f7 fits all day in drag races as well

Sock vs. stock u have the lighter ZR800 with a 20 hp advantage. The idea that the ZRT is faster because it is a triple just isn't right. The reason triples are faster is because they make more HP per CC. A triple has about a 17% HP adantage over the same size twin. HP is HP no matter what type of motor. If the gearing is right and all else equal a lighter higer HP sled will win.

ZR by alot.

I agree with ZR656. Just because your on a triple doesn’t mean you’ll win.

I'll take a ZRT600 over a ZR600 any day. I will also take a ZRT800 over a ZR800 any day also on the lake. With equal cc’s and more RPM’s triples usually make more horsepower.


Triples make more horsepower because they are able to carry the same if not slightly less torque up into a higher RPM range. If you can get a motor to spin 8500+ RPM's then it doesn’t have to make the kind of torque as an engine only spinning at 7500RPM's.

Just because the ZRT600 is revving higher doesn’t mean it will go any faster. It simply doesn’t have enough torque in combination with the RPM’s to make similar horsepower. Whether you make horsepower with huge piston’s (ZR800) or high revving (ZRT600) horsepower is horsepower however you get it.

You are fighting a uphill battle with 20 less horsepower. It’s simple, Horsepower is what wins in the long run.

What you need was the limited build old 95 zrt 600 cause hands down
it would kick some snow in the the ZR face.I had a 95 new in dec of 94
one of two in the maritimes after getting it dailed in this was raw ,untamed
to say the least.Don`t compare later builds to the early 600 cause it wasn`t a race!
132 h.p stock i put v-force gutted air box,D.D .triple pipes and ran 118.5 mph
in 1320 ft on the pavement in 97 at 11.20 et ,with 60ft of 1.50 `s .This thing
would go just as fast on the snow .Grant you the newer 600`s were more trail friendly
but with a 5700 engment on the snow and pavement it was all about traction.
I really do miss this sled ,when it was new with clucthing and gearing and
straight out (carb mess )I turned 114 mph stock. money on a old Zrt 600
not a newer one!!!
Cape Breton Stock............

:frech32: :frech32: :frech32:

you wish you had any sled "that runs that is" right now :smilielol: :wut60: :smilielol: ps....did you send your crank away yet?

Have Hooper Racing put a 670 Big Bore kit in the ZRT 600 (150+ HP) and say good bye to the ZR800.SS

Interesting topic guys. Very interesting. Since the beginning of the ZRT, there has been a misconception. Do you remember the wild cat??/ 700...The wildcat was dynoed at 118 horsepower when first produced. The ZRT was actually more. Like I said, this was a misconception. The zrt was actually dynoed in 1996 at 127HP. Yes this is true. I have talked to several dealers. One in particular is my boss. He has been a cat dealer since 1992. The error was in the advertising for these two sleds I was told. He had actually showed me the article that was posted to dealers by Arctic Cat. Its true man!!!!!!!!!
I was surprised when I was told this. After 1999-2000, Arctic cat had changed the exhaust. When these adjustments were made, the actual HP on the ZRT decreased. And of course it depends on which way the sled was dynoed. These newer ZRTs were really restricted. air box wise and exhaust wise, to make them quitter and more fuel efficient because everyone, including testers, magazines and enviromentalists wanted less noise and better for the enviroment, right!!Then we have the power valves.. Either you liked these newer sleds or not.
Yup, tripples. Absolutely, twins have the torque, but do not have the top end, compared to a tripple. That was the nice feature of a tripple, top end!!!!!!!!!!!
Eventually when the twin area is over, a believe that tripples will make a comeback and they will be twice as good. Theres speculation!!!!!!!!!!! Depends if you are a tripple fan or not!!!!!!

I think it would all depend on tuning and gearing. If it's a short race, and the ZRT is set up properly for that distance, it might be close. Stock for stock on a unlimited distance lake run, the little 600 triple might have enough legs to catch the 800. One thing to remember was this guy mentioned he had a very significant rider weight advantage, so the power to weight ratio might be very close. I think it all comes down to rpm/gearing. Readymedic, thanks for posting about the AC article, I've heard this mentioned before but wasn't sure if it was true or not. When I bought my '96 in '98, and in '99 a friend of mine bought one since he loved mine. He took it into a shop to get the carbs synched and the mechanic told him it was really 127hp not the 118hp Cat had advertised that year. So lets see take 127hp stock, add another 15hp for BM pipes to total 142hp, light rider on the ZRT600, heavy rider on ZR800, 7200rpm's for the 800 vs 9200rpm's on the little triple and I'd love to be there to watch that race and to see the look on the ZR riders face when it was over. With how old this thread is you'd think we would have gottem a results post by now.

Guys, guys, guys the ZR800 will win by a mile cmon a little zrt with just those mods will never beat a ZR 800, just remember ZR=140hp ZRT=118-127hp who cares if its a triple it will not catch a ZR 800 on any lake no matter how long.