I have a Polaris 2001 600 Edge X. I have not been able to find any cats to race with really besides my frineds' 99 ZR 600 which is only a joke. I was wondering what the turnout could be expected between all 2001s... 600 edge X, ZRT 600 and ZR 600. In drags like 660 ft., 1000 ft. And a lake run (1/2-3/4 mile). I expect the ZRT would win the lake run.

well i figure ill post because im bored. both the ZR600's i raced were a joke, yes i am a 650 triple but a 98 MXZ500 gave me a better run than a 98ZR600 and a 98ZR600 sno pro. and the non-sno pro had put in new gears. havnt raced an edge(maybe this winter my friend mite be getting a 600 edge) but i would say your best bet is a zrt. and he would get you in the long run(because of the triple and from my own experience)in a 500ft or 600ft i cant do jack. i get beat from the line when we race from a dig. now from a roll it is different, but i still need the triple to kick in and it takes a little bit..all in all im just rambeling

all i can say is if you have a chance to run and F6 or F7, you won't like the results.

My brother has an 01 zrt 600 that should take the polaris 600. It stays 1-2 sled links ahead of the 01 polaris 700 and the 04 polaris 700. still not as fast as my 03 f7. He thinks he will take me with his aaen pipes and new reed and some other struff that make his 600 put out around 140 145 hp.

All I can say is if you have a chance to run me you won't like the results..... Question was about ZR's and ZRT's..... why even bother mentioning a firecat?? Ohhh, the ego that makes the firecat owner put their $.02 no matter what the subject.

If I am not mistaken, the 2001 ZR 600 and the 2001 ZRT 600 both implemented the use of the APV. The APV valves woke those motors up somewhat, from what I remember. So the 2001 ZR 600 would be more of a race than a 99. I would think it would be the same with the ZRT.

Everything would be dependent on the rider and the state of tune the sleds were in. If they were all bone stock, and the riders of similar weight and skill, this is how I would pick them.

660 feet; Edge x 600 first, ZRT 600 second, but nipping at the Polaris's flap, and the ZR 600 right with him.

1000 feet; ZRT 600 and Edge X 600 neck and neck, the extra horsepower of the ZRT probably giving him a slight lead, with the ZR 600 about a sled length behind them.

1/2 to 3/4 mile run; I would expect the ZRT to be a good distance out in front of both of the other sleds.

This is similar results to what I have seen in the real world. Take them for what they are worth.

The 2000 and 2001 Polaris 600s were very good running machines. They may not be able to outrun F-6s or F-7s, but for their era, were among the quickest 600cc sleds out there.

Do you remember President Carter ?? Well that is how far your Polaris dates back to in ways. HP is not everything.

your right, hp is'nt everything........pick a trail, no problems :div20:
smart ride suspension is for gadget minded people. my 'ol fox shocked
xc does not have much of a problem keeping up with todays sleds, maybe
minus a rev. and i am damn near 300lbs


i have raced 98-00 zr 600's, nothing to worry about there........
never raced an 01 zr, but if it runs like the 01 zrt's no worries there neither.
583 ski-doo, nope. 600 ski-doo, really close, still in frt by a hair.
600 yammie's, owned one, no comparison. 600 srx, you will most likely
loose. 600 twin, see above. 600 triple sxr yammie, unless they spent the
$600 in triple pipes, no problem. with pipes, not sure, never raced one.

in 660ft it is hard to get around these sleds. raced a bud with a "fine tuned"
97 zrt and had him to 500ft. neck in neck at 660, had me by a sled at 900ft.
that is the only real problem with twins. you can usually "feel" them triples
breathin' down your neck at least by 660ft.

make it hook and i mean HOOK and you'll do good in 660ft. few small mods
and ya might impress at even, dare i say, 1000ft :div20:

What he said

:smilielol: :smilielol:

Hey aczl600ss...in case you didn't notice...my sled is a 2001 Polaris 600 Edge X. OK? got that in mind? Well, that was only the second year Polaris had the edge chassis, and the first year they had them on pretty much all their sleds. So that means it is 2 years old in its' ways for its' time...so basically all your saying is that your 'ol Firecats are outdated already!? They're 3 years old! Boy you are smart!

Oh, and by the way...I wasn't alive when Pres. Carter was in office...so no, I don't remember him!

Get a stroker kit from legend racing and pretty well everything will be behind you!....from what I have read on these kits, they are MEAN!.....I read they put one on a 600 and ran it again a stock 800 but setup good, and the stroker totally destroyed it....

I have a prox 2 600, it has great accellaration but is just slow top end. I'm not looking to do 120 accross a lake so I'm ok with it.

Hey Newf. Could you send a link to Legend Racing? Or just give me the web address. I would like to check out some of their stuff. Thanks in advance!! I have heard their stuff is pretty wicked!!

i believe he is talking about legend performance. they are out
of traverse city michigan. they specialise in REAL WORLD hp for
polaris twins. you can find them at legendperformance.com

.....and if that IS who he is talking about, yes there stuff does ROCK

if you guys only new how fast your xc600sp's were ,you would be shoked. i have a 2000/xcsp600 and made that thing do a second place in semi finals, 800lmp. stock, grass drags in alberta canada. . i have several different set ups for that sled. PS. I SMOKE f6's easily and f7's with some clutch and gear ratio changes. :div20:

i wouldnt doubt that, but you can make almost any sled spank another sled as long as you know what you are doing. my freinds 01 XCSP 500(before a telephone pole jumped out in front of him and hit him) this winter while on a lake, we lined up from a 40 roll and after he gave the signal and we took off i was doing a good 85-90 mph and the f'in thing walked right past me. both our sleds were running crappy the beggining of the night, then mine started to run wicked good, and all of a sudden his did too when he passed me of course. my friends 98 ZR600 wasnt with us either. my other firends slightly modded 02 MXZREV will walk on a f7. hey give it a chance and i bet mine would too. but then again the kid with the REV is a RICH mofo, and yea the XCSP is modded but only pipes reeds and i think maybe gears.

here in Nothren Maine( and some can vouch for me) a man named Paul Cyr(inventor of hypervax slides) has lots of sleds and a... jeez i cant think of it im going to say 99 xc600 with slight mods that will own lots. and I can vouch for this since i saw it in person from 4 sleds back from a dig fly past my firends sno pro 600 and mxz 500 while they were racing.

The zrt 600's were fast machines, it would take the 600xc on the long run, maybe it would have a harder time against the 600xcsp in the genn11 chassis. hp their about the same 118hp.

Yep that's them....they make the poo sleds SING! I wish they made a kit for my sled....I would have it for sure.....they are super reliable too......

One thing you have to remember about the ZRT, its got triple pipes. However, the ZRT really is nothing compared to the sleds that are out nowdays.
I think your 600 XC would be able to run with any of the above mentioned sleds. The ZRs werent that great (not saying they were bad, but the XC would kill 'em) and the ZRT was pretty fast on the lake but it was noseheavy (but almost every triple-triple was noseheavy).
I believe that your XC would pull away off the line and never look back.
To the guy who claims his RXL will run with a newer 600 XC, I doubt it. My father had a '91 RXL and it wasnt that fast. It handled great, you could carve corners with that thing all day long. However, it was nothing more than Polaris' 650 triple with fuel injection. Nothing special (although somewhat ahead of its time) and certainly not all that fast. I believe they only made about 80 or 90 hp, which is very respectable for a sled from the early 90s. However, it doesnt have a prayer aganst a Polaris with a dometic twin engine, those things are just plain awsome.
In my opinion, the best domestic twins were the 98s. They were in the old Indy chassis (the wedge) and they were before Polaris calibrated the suspension to transfer weight upon acceleration. My brother's '98 700 XC can carry the skis for at least 50 ft from a standing start. Also, the '98s were before Polaris started to implement the quiter intakes. Those sleds sounded so mean and tough that year, those are in my opinion, the best big twins that have ever been made.
One other thing about the XC vs. the ZR/ZRT. Even if they beat you off the line, you will blow right by them when their engines blow. Dont deny it either, cat riders, those engines had a well-deserved reputation for blowing up.
Hebi

well in your mind at least...... not in reality tho....

xcya PS Ha Ha Ha

yup thats what the the fella said to me when i asked him if he would be willing to go for a run down the lake. :lol2: his words exactly, i'll eat that thing alive. after 700 feet and still in the lead his thoughts must have been :help: :banghead: then when we stoped he said i can't believe it. F7, when i am through telling everyone how i did it, there will be a lot of AC riders out there with f6's and 7's crying the blue's and calling foul. these sleds are detuned from the factory because they are way to fast. the clock is ticking, winter is coming and i am excited. PS. i am a truck driver and can haul my sled anywhere, bring your friends and your video cameras and we will see who's :lol2:

Yeah, thats kind of been my experience with Arctic Cat riders in general. They all seem to fell that they have something to proove.
Me personally, I think most REV/Firecat owners are kind of amusing. They think they are so cool with their supposedly "technologically superior" sled.
However, of all the sleds made right now, the REVs and the Firecats have the most warranty claims and spend the most amount of time in the shop.
I have a friend who last winter hit a culvert with his 600 SDI REV. It ripped the right front suspension off. The insurance company totaled out the sled, so he was going to try and buy it back from them and rebuild it.
He did that but he couldnt find a Ski-Doo dealer who would be willing to do the work for him. All of them told him that they can put it all back together but that they would not be held responsible if it fell apart again.
See, when he hit the culvert, it bent the bulkhead. Once you do that, the sled as a whole is junk. The bulkhead is a stressed member, so once it takes a big hit, the structural integrity of the sled is greatly compromised.
Ive also heard similar stories from friends who have crashed their Firecats. This goes to show me that while these sleds are very light, they are not strong.
Id like to see these so called "technologically superior" sleds in 10 or 20 years. Id bet that most of them will be rotting away in the scrap yard.
I'll keep my Yamahas. They may not be the fastest or have the best suspension, but they last forever. Im no snocross racer and I could care less about trying to look like one.
Hebi

not to stir the pot anymore but i think i must tell you this..........

i started on a polaris[real old], then moved to my dad's old
yamaha[also real old]. when it was time for me to buy my
own snowmoblie i decided to buy a yamaha. our old yammie
allways seem very relible. so in the fall of 96 i bought a used
89 exciter with about 2500 miles on it. i had nothing but HUGE
problems with this sled. suspension, engine, etc. etc. the following
winter i decided to buy a brand new one. another yammie[BIG
mistake]. in the fall of 97 i bought a brand new 98 yammie 600 sx.
thought the world of this sled, even though it was low on power and
suspension it was worlds better than the exciter, till the second season.
the following fall i started going over the machine to make sure it
was ready for the season. with 800 miles on it i had already went
through 2 sets of slides and carbides, and half of the track clips were
missing. yammie would warranty nothing. exclusive 3 year factory
warranty :lol2: the sled was never ran in any less than 6-8 inches of
snow and mostly on groomed trails by the end of the 3rd
season[1600 miles]i had replaced ALL of the track clips, 4 more pairs
of slides and 3 more sets of carbides. the clutches were ready to explode
and the engine was a serious slug. now before you start jumping all over
me, hear this, my sleds are IMPECABLY[sp?]mantained, period. i tend
to ride alittle hard, but could never feel truly comfortable on the sx to
ride anywhere as hard as i do now. so the sled was VERY WELL taken
care of. in the fall of 2000 i sold it for $3000. i was very happy to see
it go. 2 days after christmas i bought my 01 xc and have never looked
back. i think i 3 seasons of HARD riding i haven't went though as many
slides or carbides as i did in one season on the yammie, the suspension
is still spot on, and the motor and clutches are still damn near like new.
yammie lost my business over a sled that had to be wrenched on every
time i road it. now, i am not denying that doo and cat have there problems
even polaris for that reason, but to say that yammies are the toughest,
most reliable sled out there, well i beg to differ................

well, well, well then my man..........talk it up!
lets hear how to make 'em scoot :div20:

sayatodau.p.eh? when i get some time i will sit down and get all my stuff put together. for now i will let you know this. ( a total of 67.4gms of primary weight, 52/38 epi helix and the gear ratio to match.) i will send a private message with details when i have more time to those who want to know. :div20:

xcya maybe you could share your knowedge with Polaris so they can build a sled that will compare to there competitors. I personally don't give two sh--s if anyone beats me. I just find this post amusing. I like racing and anytime you are in the Rangeley Maine area send me a IM and I'll give it a try(HeHeHe) P.S. You are a funny guy

sayatodaup,eh?, I agree that opinions vary. Im not saying that Yamaha is perfect and yes, the early SXs were not the best and the older Yammies werent the best either.
Now, let me give you MY experiences.
Last winter, my parents bought 2 used '02 600 XCs. They are very nice sleds. However, thus far they have had nothing but problems with them. First off, they will constantly overheat unless you are riding in perfect conditions. Both these sleds have the M-10 rear suspension, which sits pretty high. However, the EDGEs have a reputation for overheating. Thats the exact reason why Polaris came out with the "perimiter" cooling system that they claim hold more coolant.
The one sled last winter shreaded a new set of hyfax in less than 100 miles and needed about 1/2 of the track clips replaced. In fact, it spend most of last winter sitting in the garage in pieces.
The other sled had a headlight switch that failed on the first day. This caused the headlight to not work. The switch costs $80! Also, this sled overheated so badly one day that it filled up the bottom of the bulkhead about 1" deep with coolant.
A friend of mine has a '99 440 XCR that takes at least 20 pulls to start whether the engine is warm or cold.
Ive owned many Polaris products. Let me tell you this, I never made a better choice than the day I sold my Polaris and bought a Yamaha. Yamaha has by far, the best quality, durability, fit and finish and comfort of any sled I have ever ridden.
Last winter I had the chance to demo ride an RX-1. Ive ridden a lot of fast Polaris sleds, I used to own a '99 700 XC SP. The RX-1 makes that sled look like a POS. Yes, the RX-1 is heavy at 560 pounds. However, it doesnt feel that way because the mass is centered.
Also, the torque of that 1,000cc engine is unlike anything else out there. It doesnt hit hard like a 2-stroke, it smooth and linear.
The day I rode that RX-1 I was riding with my friends who all have 600 XCs. I was in the lead, just riding at a nice pace. Not trying to ride fast, but just out having a nice weekend ride. I happened to glance back and noticed their was no one behind me. So I stopped about 1/2 mile down the train at a road crossing. I waited and waited, so I shut the engine down. About a minute later the rest of the group pulled up and asked me what my hurry was. I explained their was no hurry and that I was just out having a nice little ride.
That sled was so easy to ride that you would be going along at what you thought was a nice pace and then glace down and see the speedometer sitting at 80 mph.
If you like your Polaris, great. However, I will never own another one. In fact, I had the chance to ride my old '99 700 XC last winter and I hated it. The engine sounded awsome (just like all Polaris domestic twins do) but the ergonomics of the sled were so inferior to something even as old as my Phazer (which is far from state-of-the-art).
Ride what you like, but as far as Im concerned

sounds great to me :div20:
just remember, clutch wieghts may differ allitle for me...........
considering i am damn near 300lbs
:lol2:

like i said, i beg to differ. that's all. as for the older yammies
being less reliable, as you said, your riding one. then talking
about all the newer sleds problems?? what gives??

your saying you don't care if someone can bet your
sled, yet you are calling him out?????
:frech32:

saya you don't really think he has a chance If he thinks he can beat an F-7 let him have his dreams we all have dreams :div20:

your right, how could i ever even think about someone beating
"THE INVINSIBLE F-7" :frech32: you firecat guys ARE almost all
the same. sorry i even wasted my time

Saya I am not here to start trouble. He is the one that threw it out. I am merely wasting time till it snows.

it's cool..........just get sick in tired all the time of :argue:
ya know what i mean??

f7> maybe you should think a little harder about what i said. i did'nt say that i thought i could beat an f7, i said that i did beat an f7. three to be exact. this was just playing around the lake. one of the f7's was set up for drags that day. he did catch me but not before 500 feet witch is the length of the track. get it in your head, i drag race and my sled is set up for racing within the stock alowable limits. :banghead:

Hi all
As I read this post I laugh at how everyone gets all excited about who drives what, who is faster. Let me tell ya , the group I drive with have a variety of sleds. I drive a 99 ZRT 600 LE, the rest of the group drive, 2002 PRO-X 600, 99 SXR 600 Triple, 1996 Formula III, 2004 F-6 Sno-Pro. And you know when we are out we all get in our jabs and have a laugh, but at the end of the day we are great friends. I must say that the 2004 F-6 is the fastest and the Pro-X is next, then it is a close one on the 3 triples. I drove the F-6 and let me tell ya, it is sweet. When I got back on my triple it sure has a different feel for power. Sure my ZRT is nice on lakes and stuff but when it comes to out of the hole racing , give me a nice twin sled and I would race all day long. Remember folks, we are all sledders and we have to stick together because lately it seems the government is trying to ruin our sport with stupid rules. Lets keep our great sport alive!! And I think the PRO-X would beat the ZRT in a race. My buddy beats me with his '02. Neways this is just my 2 cents and I hope I didn't pi$$ anyone off!! Rammer!! :-) P.S. Arctic Cat is the best....... sorry I had to say it.. HeeHee!! Here is my baby!!

Rammer, I should ahve bought that sled off you.....I freakin love it!.......if you sell it again I will be the first in line!

Rammer,I think you have one of the nicest looking sleds on the site. Next to mine of course :beerchug:

thanks digger. It makes all the work and $$$ worth it!!



Here is a better pic of the engine!! It does look sweet doesn't it??!!

xcya give it up. Did you read this post. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :argue:

xcya,

I will run ya......not saying im going to beat you but I would love to try!

My sled has beat a D&D 720 mod sled to 1000 ft.

f7 you tell me to give it up but i think it's you that needs to give up. i'm not going to entertane anymore dumm comments from you. ZRNEWF, my sled is geared to give me a maximum 80mph wich i can easily pull in 500'. i did very well in the grass drags in 2002 and 2003 pulling first place in improved stock 600, 700 and second place in 800 semi finals. i don't think i could compete with your kinda power but would have fun trying. my sled is stock 118hp@ 7600 rpm. i was running 67.4grms of weight and lowered gear ratio. the key to drag racing is to clutch your sled to torque side of the power band. it works awsome but falls of at top end unless you gear high to compensate. :div20: rammer your sled is cool, i set up my brothers sled for him and that thing just runs awsome. :beerchug:

Read that post again, I said that the older Yammies werent "the best". I said nothing about reliability.
Here's the facts as I see them, the TSS (some call it "pogo") suspension that Yamaha used on the front of their sleds up to '97 wasnt exactly the most plush or best handling suspension there was at the time. To me, trailing-arm suspension feels more solid than TSS does. However, on the up side, TSS is a very simple suspension to repair should it ever break and it is lighter.
Also, up untill '97, Yamaha didnt really believe in putting grease fittings on their sleds. My Phazer has about 10 shafts that they expect you to remove out, grease and the reinstall. To do this, you pretty much have to completely disassemble the suspension. Grease fittings would have saved a lot of time. I used to be able to grease my Polaris in less than 5 minutes, it would probably take me at least 3 hours to do the same on my Yamaha. Fortunately for me, I have installed grease fittings so I dont have to disassemble my suspension every year.
Also, the older Vmax 600s were known for horrible gas milage. From what I have heard, they usually got between 8-10 mpg. Fortunately for me, the Phazer always got great fuel milage. Mine gets 14-18 mpg, depending upon the temperature on any given day.
As far as durability goes, Ive never heard much bad about any Yamahas. So far, my Phazer has needed very minmal maintenance and runs great. You really cant complain about a 14-year old sled that always starts on the 2nd pull and gets 16 mpg on average.
I came upon an old issue of SnoWest a while back. In it, they did a review of 500cc mountain sleds and the '97 Phazer Mountain Lite (same thing as mine but a 136" track) was one of the sleds in the shootout. The only thing about the Phazer that they wanted improved was the power of the engine. However, considering that they were running it aganst liquid-cooled 500s, I can understand why theyd want more power. To Yamaha's credit, a few years later, they did up the Phazer's displacement to 500cc's. Factor this in with the reed valves and boost bottle that came on the engine from the factory, and the Phazer 500 will run with any liquid-cooled 500 that doesnt say "XC" on the hood.
So as you see, the things about the older Yammies that I said, "werent the best", were fuel economy and suspension, not durability or quality.
Hebi

98xc6 vs. 98zrt6, Well people I went up against a zrt 6 in the finals at Ski Plattekill up hill snow drags in 98 and I sent him packing. Also in 98 i sent a many F-3s packing to. My opion is a twin ( proplerly tuned ) can out accelerate a triple due to rotating mass and added weight. The trples pull on the big end though. :beerchug:

yea course i wouldnt doubt a twin beating a triple off the line. only 2 twins i ever beat was one a 90 500 trail, two up long track and the other was a 97 MXZ 670, because after a month of riding my sled i knew how to control the delay off the line and ended up beating him(mxz). as for top end, mine really comes alive after about 800feet. i only race on lakes or quater mile strips. 500 feet kills me unless im at a roll. and rammer that sled is SWEET!

Guess I'll chime in here:
SayYa', is that "buddy's" '97 ZRT600 belong to Terry B.? ,,, and before you knock the "unbeatable" F7, watch Joe S.'s F7 run,, you won't believe it!,,yes, it IS as fast as he says it is. Are you going to Ambrose this year to run?
I don't care how Xcya's spelling is- he gets the point across. But 67+ grams of weight in an XC600 won't work in a trailable set-up (I know,he didn't say it was a trail set-up).
Hebi, a 500 Phazer will not run with a ZR500APV or F5 either,,,,,
Oh well, I'll be riding my "old" ZRT600 another year, and if an XC or Phazer pulls up next to me, I'll run 'em!
:div20: snap

Xcya,

My sled is mostly stock after that 1000ft...the 720 KICKS MY ASS BAD...but we have my sled dialed to 1000ft at the end of 1000 ft im at 116 mph. the gearing and clutching we have done is spot on awsome....I could not belive I did it, but I think it's beacuse my sled has oooodles of torque.....he said that's what it was. I was suprised......made my sled a whole different animal...before it was fast on top but pretty shitty down low becuase of too high gearing and a clutch that was for god knows what. now, the sled is the way it's supposed to be!