Any idea what could have caused this?

I am going with my dealers stud installation. All three sleds are studded but the dealer is experienced in installing studs and said it wasn't from that. But two of our sleds were studded by the dealer and the third was done by someone else with a different brand of stud. The one done by someone else is fine the two done by our dealer all need new boggie wheels.

He is of course saying it's not his stud installation. I say bullshit and I want the two sleds restudded. My brothers sled that is fine is using a different stud than the two that are F'd up. He wants all three sleds so he can look at them but said he can't get to them until November. Kind of pissed.

Any thoughts?

Any pictures of the situation? Loose studs will chew up boggies and will eventually fuck up the track.

I've seen this before when the studs aren't tightened enough and the heads are sticking up just a touch. They'll ruin the wheels real fast.

I have a 2007 IQ that has had the same problems. I have 168 studs with a stud on every other window on the outside belt. After the first year all four outside wheels where damaged, my dealer gave me wheels from a 06 and I tried them last year and put twice the mileage on and the wheels lasted one year. So if you had outside idlers go, try 06 wheels

That is what it looks like to me. My brothers sled that the studs were installed by someone else are drawn down in the track much further than ours. Of course I mentioned this to my dealer and he gave me the old "We've been doing studs for 30 years and never had a problem." excuse. That excuse doesn't cut it for me because I own my own business and shit happens sometimes. Order the wrong parts. The guy that installed them is hung over. Whatever.

find out what kind of studs they are and get the tourque specs on them and then check the tourque on your studs

So you had the past 6 months to have this corrected by your dealer and haven't done it yet, hmm. 96 studs down the middle is all you need btw on a 600 for trail riding no matter what they tell you, anymore and it just puts stress on your drivetrain, etc.

OK you own a business, wait 6 months to complain about a problem, and your now kinda pissed because the Dealer is busy ????????????????

First of all, why did you wait until now to complain?? Just get on your sled and pound it with no maintance or never botherd to look??

Studing process is important and the pattern especially, but just as important is proper care after the studing is done. Did you make sure the ice was broken loose before you rode each day??? What was the track tension?? What kind of conditions were you riding in?? Dirt, Snow Ice?????

I also have over 20 years of experience studing sleds.
Here are a list of problems I have seen that will cause wheel damage

1. Improper hole size for stud size This causes the track to bulge around the head of the stud. They must be flat!!!!
2. Improper torque on studs when installed
3. Bad lock nuts or no loctite on long nuts when applied
4. Incorrect nut length for deep lug tracks that allow the stud to pull under acceleration and also braking
5. Have also seen backers that have failed,from jumping sled on hard dirt or ice collapsing the backer and loosing the stud
6. IMPROPER TRACK TENSION
7. Bad bearings in wheels and ice being left in suspension overnight and rider never breaking it loose before each day riding
8. Depending on the damage to the heel, it could be "BAD" Wheels
9. Bad alignment of track to drivers and rear wheel spacing
10. We have seen trail riders try and use angle backers from woodys and these can and will cause problems with wheels

Can you give us the stud that was used, backers and nuts used. Track wiper height and stud length

Glad to try and help

Can you post some pics of each sleds track? It's hard to saw without seeing it, could be a multitude of things... or could be something as simple a bad batch of wheels that are delaminating. Was the one sled maybe rode different and in different conditions that the other 2? Or were they always on the same rides? By your second post above it sounds like it might be a torque issue. Got a torque wrench? Test one out and see what it was torqued to. Should be around 28-30 ft/lbs.

Where in northern, IN are you?

We had excellent snow conditions this year and I don't abuse my equipment. If my customers have a problem I deal with it immediately. I don't push them off for a month.

Well I put the sleds away for the summer. I got them out last week to get them ready for the season and the problem was found. I have been riding since I was 5 years old and I am now 35. In thirty years I have never ever had a problem with Boggie wheels. So it wasn't something that I looked at before I rode.

My business is in Angola. If we sled in the area it's mostly around Kinderhook and Coldwater Lake. We don't ride around here very much. Mostly up north.

I don't have any pics. We took them in to our dealer this morning so he can take care of it. He thinks he can get the wheels replaced on warranty.

Thats great to hear he might be able to get them replaced under warranty. Hopefully it was just the wheels that delaminated or you will be replacing them again if you have another problem that caused the wheels to do what ever they did. I would dig a little deeper.

Ah! Small world, just now noticed your business web address, we've talked over the phone before. I am also in Angola... I just sent you a PM.

It would be fun to get a few of northern IN riders together who have 700ho's & 600ho's from this site for a day of testing and tuning on a lake if the conditions are good this year. Couldn't think of a better way to spend an afternoon!

Anytime, we were out on Crooked Lake here in Angola quit a few times this last winter. We will continue to have some gatherings this winter as well, as long as weather co-operates. Anytime you guys want to all meet up just let me know.

My parents have a place on Lake George. We could always do it there. Or we could do it on Lake James. That way we have a couple places to eat. It's nice around Lake George. Lots of open places to ride if we have enough snow.

Anyplace is fine with me, Lake James doesn't really have any good public access's.

We usually try to keep a plowed track out in front of Casey's Cove Marina. There always access there along with the public access on the east side of the lake to park trucks/trailers. I'm live between James and Crooked on 300W, the marina is a easy shot for me to run the ATV down to plow as well. We had a speed run track plowed last season.

Also, for you IN. guys, the weekend of the 25th, 26th is a grass drag being held at Allen County fairgrounds. This is supposudly in ties with the ISA show. I don't know any of the specifics about it though (classes and such). It might just be mostly a "backyard" type of deal. A guy posted some info about it in th Indiana forums.

Here are the pictures from my sled. This is the sled that the boggies are going fast and my brother had to replace his. Both were installed by our dealer.

Here are the pictures of my other brothers sled that has no wear on his boggies. You can see the difference.

We took our sleds to our dealer. He said that my brothers sled that the backers are sunk down in is the wrong way to do it. It will wear the track out sooner.

Not sure who to believe. What do you guys think. Who is right?

second set of pics is right the studs need to be sunk down in the track. looks like some of your studs are loose and starting to turn that will ruin your track for sure.

They are supposed to be sunk in some,the first pics are too loose.Did you feel any vibration in the rear while rideing?Your dealer must sell alot of boogies after a stud install.LOL

Scott, a little had to tell from the pics but they do look like they could be tightened up a bit more.

However, I see you had the tall alum. nuts. Unless these are put on with loctite, they will loosen up dispite them being "locknuts". Also I don't like have the soft alum. of the nut "smashes down" where it meets the backer from stress when riding, this also causes a loosening issue. The tall nuts do help with bunding studs, but your's don't look to be long to the point where you would neccessarily need them. I have some extra standard steel stud locknuts if you want to replace those and retorque everything. If you didn't want to mess with it you could drop if off at my place and I could take an evening and go through it as well.