Announcing the Shawnee Sno-Chiefs Snowmobile Club 10th Annual Grass Drags/ATV Races/Vintage Show and Chili Cook-Off
When: September 27, 2008
Where: 3747 Lockport Road, Sanborn, NY 14132
More Info: www.snochiefs.com

Any payback for the amature racers this year or still trophies only?

Probably not. We'll be starting meetings in July and can discuss it.

Gary

I will be there,unfortunately not racing(no cash flow) Can't wait to watch the sleds&wheelers

PAYBACKS? do people not under stand it cost money to run these events?

GARY, HOPE TO BE THERE THIS YEAR. 3:16 (yammie tony)

Sure, it costs to run an event, but enter 2 or three classes, pay for 3 people to get in the race, figure in the cost to set up a sled to race, even in the trail stock classes, fuel to drive 100 miles and then home, even a paltry payback helps to buy diner after the race, trophies are nice, but the costs are getting steep. Raced at Shawnee last year, won three classes, spent close to 200 dollars for the day, three trophies. Raced later in the year at Canandaigua, won two classes, took home $180, which venue do you think I will be at this year? Economics..... I am not knocking the Shawnee event, great folks, good track, excellent race, just nice to win a little bit of cash for all the hard work it takes to win.

Not a bad .02 here. The guy isn't some hot head just wanting all of the clubs profits given away. He is a level headed guy that has a good opinion. Wasn't doing any of bashing (like alot of others do about other events costing too much), I think being reasonable.

i have raced there 2yrs in a row,received excellent trophy's and cash.step up and race isr boys if you want both!

Mainly because I dont have another 500 to 600 bucks to invest in a speed track to be competitive with the ISR guys. It is a moot point, too far for us to drive this year anyway, was never looking for a huge payout, just seems like everyone that is racing would like a small payout is all, just a suggestion. No need to get yer panties in a bunch!

Like I said, I'll check with the guys and see if we can figure out something. We don't want to lose the amateur, drag it out of the barn, stinkin' like Sta-Bil when you race it, low cost entry type of race. Let's see if we can't come up with something.

Gary

Thanks Gary

you should of kept you speed track,cosdra races are too much money any how! imo
the Shawnee race amateurs paid $10 a race i think

Speed track has been gone since 2005. I am very sorry I brought up the subject, my bad.

i raced last year and probably will again. i had a good time but noticed that tech was very laxed. i was runnin with guys that were pretty modded in the stock class. i wasn't there to win and didn't really care but i can see why some guys got pissed. i mean tech consisted of the guy asking me if i was stock, popping the hood, glanced for a second and said ok. that was it. i imagine it would be a big deal if there were some serious money to be had. all in all i enjoy myself and it helped out the local club.

That's why we are an amateur race-we don't have the capabilities to teardown engines and the like. If you want to cheat to get a trophy, I guess we will live with it. It's what you get for your $20 entry fee.

it didn't really bother me. i was more curious how my particular sled would run against other sleds in its class that were basically stock. i got beat pretty easily a couple times and did some checking only to find out they were clutched, piped, boondocker, etc. it's no big deal and i still had a good time. i just wonder why guys do that? is it just to get more runs in by entering more classes? is there a max? seems like a good way to get more runs in. i don't care if i get beat as long as i'm racing. $20 and run in 10 different classes? thats a bargain.

It is a bargain-and we try to keep it that way. I don't remember if we have a limit on the number of classes, but if you sign up for multiples, you best be ready to race when your number is called-we try to keep things moving.

Just my 2 cents--I do not care if you run an armature race or not you will get more and better participation if you have some sort of payout !! Be it 50% of race entries or what --yes I am aware that the club is trying to make money for the club--but without the racers you will not have a show or any spectators --As for the Cheating --lets face it --its not cheating until you get caught --racing is racing --you are there to be as fast as you can-but the NIEVE notion that you can not clutch or gear your sled for the stock classes --what planet do you race on !!IF are coming to any race with out doing your homework on your sled and the rules and what is allowed you are just stupid !! and deserve to get beat ! Boon dockers are just a way of leaning out the fuel delivery on a efi sled--or a injector perfector -c-pac --what ever you call them --its no difference than jetting your carbs!! Pipes are another story --that is not stock !! You will get guys that show no matter what --but you will get MORE racers-IE -more entry money--with a payout --just my opinion --GOOD Luck with your race --HOPE you make some cash for your club !!

We already do payouts for some of the modified (ISR) classes. We do just fine on the money raising side of things. I agree with your other points.

We're thinking fo doing some grudge matches early in the morning-like $5 a head-sign up ahead of time a limited number of races-we still plan to do our speed runs at the end of the day.

Couldn't sell the cash for all classes, though it looks like ISR classes will go to $30 registration, $50 seed money and $10 per sled to the winner. 5 sleds in a class = $100 and so on.

MAN GARY WHEN THE HELL WOULD YOU GUYS FIND THE TIME TO GRUGE RACE WITH THE AMOUNT OF SLEDS YOU GET. AND OPENING THE TRACK UP TO PRACTICE, AND THAN SPEED RUNS. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! ANYWAYS I,LL BE THERE WITH SOMETHING TO RACE. 3:16 (yammie tony)

138 sleds last year, speed runs, test & Tune, ran the kids after test & tune and during the intermission. We do pretty well already for a one day race and our rep is doing well and we are getting bigger each year. We had some pros out a couple years back and, well, I've got to say they didn't add anything to the day. We had an even better race last year without a lot of them. No time for primadonnas.

Tony,

I think we are going to do it immediately after T&T. Probably limited to 20 races of 2 sleds each. We'll give it a shot and see how it works out. If it works better than the speed runs, we may end up replacing those. Our Timing guy is working on the printer routines for the printer for time tickets.

Gary

PROBLEY NEED TO PULL IN THERE NO LATER THAN 8:00. WHAT DO YA THINK GARY ? !! 3:16 (yammie '' big '' tony)

it's definitely a better event for amateurs. that pull the sled up, put it on the stand, rev it up to get the pipe hot for 2 mins, get your buddy with the power broom at the line, pull up and get your ass beat anyways by someone who just pulled up and ran - that shit is for the birds but damn funny. even better - halfway through the warmup your friggen track blows apart. there's a good way to get some attention. ah small time professionals. gotta love em. there's alot of sleds to get through and the "pro" bullshit just gets in the way i agree. i will say that the sleds that impressed me the most last year were the yammi 4 strokes. i didn't see too many "stock" sleds beating them.

I would if I were you Tony. I'll be there by 6:30 nor so like usual. It'll be different for me this year as I have to go to Kentucky for a 2 week school from the 7th to the 21st, so we'll have to have it mostly 'buttoned up' by Labor Day. We will be doing the chili cook-off. The restaraunts take care of us all year round and they get to strut their stuff a bit.

well you must have missed the stock 600 class then cause it was a 2 600 revs vs 2 yammies in the final, and the 600 rev won. by the way I dont know whats so impresive about 1000cc sled running against 600s.

Not mention in the stock 600 ISR class where the nytro was beat by 440 revs.

We generally follow the ISR rules. People piss and moan about this subject a lot. People complain it's a 1000cc sled and it's not fair. These are the same people that make jokes about the weight of the 4 strokes during the winter. I believe the ISR rules this year have the 4 cylinder 1000's in the 700 class-I have to go back and look at it some more. We used to run a seperate 4 stroke class, but couldn't get enough participants.

If they are 140hp then they shoud go into 140hp class. Still a great event anyhow. And sure hope that silly thing called work don't interfere with me making it this year.

I hear that........I have to go away for 2 weeks in September, before the drags. Definitely a kink in the plans. I looked in the ISR rule book yesterday and it talks about a classification guide for 4 strokes, but couldn't find that guide anywhere.

Yea I seen something in the pdf that was put up. But didn't get all pages, wasn't sure if some were for asphalt or what. would just be nice if u got enough for them to have their own class

ah the beauty of that goes back to my original arguement. there's no way those revs were "stock". but i'll bet the nytro was. i don't think there was one completely stock 2 stroke sled in the 600 class. i agree on the 1000cc vs. 600. they should be in seperate classes especially if turbos get involved. they're are 2 different animals and should be matched up accordingly.

By the way, we are bumping the money classes this year. $50 seed and $10 per sled in the class. We will also be holding grudge races right after T&T.

We still haven't resolved the 4 stroke placement. Anyone find it in the ISR rule book? If so, please post a link.

PLEASE NOTE: Change to payouts

ISR classes receive cash in addition to trophies. The club will seed each ISR class with $50 and add $10 per sled entered in that class. We will payour 1st, 2nd and 3rd place (50% for 1st, 35% for 2nd and 15% for 3rd place)

For example:

15 sleds in the class = total of $200.00
1st gets: $100
2nd gets: $70
3rd gets: $30

Gary u got a number I can call u at? Got a cpl rule questions for your event. Thanks

GARY, NOTHING HAS CHANGED ON THE 4 STROKE YAMMIES FOR 08-09. ISR DID NOT MOVE THEM UP. 3:16 (yammie tony)

Tony,

That confirms it. Neithe rbill or I could find any changes, so we will be rolling the same as last year. I look forward to seeing you!

Gary