Spoke to Rich today about the information floating around the net on the 09 Dragon mapping, the pipe mod and other rumors surrounding the 09 800 Dragon. Basically it boils down to this, the probability of a internal silencer designed pipe mod increasing HP as we've been reading is most likey valid for a 8 sec dyno run, but to say you'll see the same results in the field on a 30-40 second real world pull in -20 degree weather across a Canadian Lake - that's another story. Our guess? 2-3HP tops which isn't bad for $199. Unfortunately there aren't a whole lot of guys willing to pay 2 way shipping ( especially here in Canada, across border with customs delays, brokerage charges etc etc ) leaving the void for a full production replacement pipe to please most for the extra $$. Polaris knows the early mapping is pig rich, and they have time to adjust so it's anyone's guess as to what HP the production sleds will arrive with come late Nov. ( our 2 cents )

regardless Rich mentioned he'll be bringing in a 09 production run Dragon this fall and will be putting out a new BIG VOLUME pipe late in the fall

we should have one of the first pipes to test


Cheers

That's good to hear, and i was curious whether or not he'd be making a pipe, so this answers that question. Do you know if he is addressing the cracking problems that some experienced with their 700 dragon pipe? Like going with thicker material, or more reinforcements where needed? Not bashing here, just curious as i've read about a couple.

Thanks for the info I firmly believe these #'s .Great post hopefully you get more info on other pipe mods
and post some down to earth info on those also .

Rich mentioned they'll be addressing this issue in the fall - He believes its harmonics

good question 1FASTXC

PS: would like to add that although doing donuts in his Viper at the time Rich was not under the influence when providing this information to us

will have lots of info in our own forums come fall

Have no problem testing a Stealth Pipe against the Big Volume next winter, will talk to Eric about this. Maybe we'll throw on the Big Volume and send the stock pipe to Eric , that would be interesting to compare after the stock pipe mod comes back.

my personal thought is this - there won't be a big difference between any of these pipe mods regardless of internal stinger tweeks/modification/addition, that's compared IN THE FIELD in real world winter temp conditions.

for those in the 'know' , I'm sure they would agree. There's been lots of pipes dyno great #'s under quick pulls, that don't run as stong in the field

regardless 2-3 solid HP is still 2-3HP



Cheers

So 18 -20 hp from a pipe mod are very much out of the question ?

to see 10HP with a pipe mod in a quick dyno run 8 sec or less would in my personal opinion be exceptional

let's not get back into arguing recent findings. DTR does great work!

big difference with in shop results to real world that is all I'm saying, a great example was last season when we had Cliff dyno the SPI Mach Z 1000 single, although Cliff found the pipe died off up top at higher RPM all our clients who purchased the pipe were absolutely thrilled because they all 'felt' the 10+ HP gain over the stock pipe on the trail that was found on the dyno at lower rpm's ie 6400-6600 rpm I believe

Agreed just wanting truthful facts .

So you're expecting a solid 2-3 HP gain from the Big Volume pipe from Rich?

The early mapping (Demo) was actually leaner than the production mapping.

Polaris doesn't have time to adjust the mapping. (according to EPA)

I am expecting my Dragon long before the end of November.

Not trying to argue with you on these points, just questioning some of your statements.

Albert

Don't worry that 2-3 hp pipe will bring the 800 up to 154 hp if not alittle more ,
some of the past reports of low hp ?

I am about as worried about the D8 running, as I am about the gas prices.

2-3hp gain was referred to the Bikeman pipe mod.

ok....you have air going out....what about air going in?

I bought the SLP air box kit for my Switchback (with 2 extra pod kits).

I'd love to have a nice combo that works together.

just to clarify, all of the 14 dyno tests on my website showing Dragon 800 stock vs SLP single vs BMP pipe mod begin with a warm pipe, as typically warm on the trail, then run at WOT for over 20 seconds not 8. That's like running over 1/2 mile at WOT. But if you run for 5 minutes at 120 mph (10 miles), your power at the end of that run may not be identical to what you get in 20 seconds. But if you do that sort of riding you probably shouldn't touch anything on your engine because you need as high a BSFC as you can get to survive on 87 octane.

I have a question,what is the best way to break-in a brand new engine and keep it dependible if you are going to run under those conditions sometimes?

N o read again.

buy a yammi.

If you're worried solely about the engine yes, if you want a suspension, No. I rode a Nytro RTX and the suspension wasn't even as good as my Pro-X. Typical Yamaha, several years behind on suspension. I've come to the conclusion that the Jap's don't care or they don't know how to build as good of a suspension as Polaris does.

---Engine Break-in---

break in like you are going to ride it ! i remember when i bought my 96 storm , 8/10 of a mile ,had in on the grass! never had a problem with it , then my 98 storm had a little more like 2 miles, on the stand waiting for snow, went up n. took it out of the trailer, rounded the first turn ,bud next to me on a green sled, to the grip for a mile, wasnt gonna let that green thing get me , lol never broke it .

drive them like they're stolen, at today's prices they should be backed to the wall by the manufacturer!

life is short, have fun!!

I agree , all the sleds that Ive broken in that way seem to run the best.

NEVER!!!

I'm AMERICAN.....I buy AMERICAN!

I see our grandstander's haven't made a comment on these's claims !

Run Polaris Blue oil from day 1.

Some down to earth info
- stock peak 154.6
- slp peak 160 .8
6.2 hp gain with single pipe and can

Come on now, only one to print this has been slp. Where did your numbers come from?

Yep, I guess you mean you and I.

Me and mini me.

Gather some real info moron.

Can someone please explain the post above ?

Dude, you are truly pathetic. You post some childish taunt and then remove it. Grow up!

Sorry, not going to let you ruin another thread! Enjoy playing your forum games. I am embarassed to have you as a fellow Canandian!

you 2 guy's have been in here running down the 800 from the start !

800 Dragon, quit bringing this shit on. This thread was fine until you posted! Quit trying to turn this site into a joke please!

Not until the 2 non Polaris owners stop hammering the 800 !

I'm actually getting turned off from posting on this site with all this childish crap going on daily. If guys can't keep focused or add something positive or at least interesting why bother posting?

will continued to post what we know or what we hear on our site - part reason we just opened it up to full state/provincial and model specifc -

cheers

Ok let's get this back on track for good info and helpful tips I am in hopefully the rest are to !