Jets7979
Jun 18 2008, 11:52 AM
I was wondering if anyone has heard any more news about possible reflashes. I know there was some talk about it a while back but never heard any solid answers. My Dragon has the typical issues, runs rich and top end not as strong as I would have hoped. If anyone has any info I would greatly appreciate it.
snowtrax backshift
Jun 18 2008, 01:11 PM
QUOTE(Jets7979 @ Jun 18 2008, 11:52 AM)

I was wondering if anyone has heard any more news about possible reflashes. I know there was some talk about it a while back but never heard any solid answers. My Dragon has the typical issues, runs rich and top end not as strong as I would have hoped. If anyone has any info I would greatly appreciate it.
Haven't heard of any reflash. Like your 08 IQ700, mine fouled plugs and was not a great runner. Most of my issues were an over-rich oil pump. The dealer replaced the pump late season and I did not get a chance to try it. Whether that fixes the plug issue, I know next year for sure.
tc1
Jun 28 2008, 06:13 PM
See your dealer, it,s now on our digital wrench software.
superslow
Jun 29 2008, 02:27 PM
QUOTE(tc1 @ Jun 28 2008, 06:13 PM)

See your dealer, it,s now on our digital wrench software.
tc1, is this for the '08 700's? Also, how far are you from Albany?
Jets7979
Jun 30 2008, 07:38 AM
Thanks for the info hope this helps the performance along with the slp pipe and can.
QUOTE(superslow @ Jun 29 2008, 04:27 PM)

tc1, is this for the '08 700's? Also, how far are you from Albany?
Yep, for 08 units. 90 miles southwest of albany, I90 to I88[exit 25a] exit 9 off 88, left off ramp [8 south to Masonville then left on 206 east to Trout Creek. 12 miles off the interstate.
craze1cars
Jul 6 2008, 01:30 PM
TC1, (or anyone else who happens to have seen the documentation on this new reflash) what specifically does Polaris claim this reflash will accomplish? I'd like to hear what their literature says. Like last year the 07 600 CFIs got essentially a mandatory reflash, more of a recall I believe. If I remember correctly, the letters to customers were worded as though it was because Polaris found a lean spot somewhere and they wanted to reflash them all largely in an effort to prevent warranty claims. It didn't actually cause much, if any, performance improvement for most people who own those sleds.
Is this reflash kinda similar? As an 08 700 owner, will I actually be getting a letter from Polaris like the 07 600 owners did last year REQUIRING the reflash? Or is it more of a quiet voluntary reflash/TSB type of thing, where only those customers who show up to the dealer with a specific performance complaint or request will get the reflash?
I guess I'm just curious how Polaris is approaching this, and what they specifically say the reflash will change and/or improve on these sleds. Do they actually SAY that it will lean the fuel curve and/or improve economy or performance, as I'm sure many of us are hoping and speculating? I don't like making such an assumption that this is the approach they've actually taken, without hearing it directly from something they've written. Thanks much for any insight you have! Dealer input is very valuable here, and I appreciate any knowledge you may be able to pass along.
Grouse
Jul 7 2008, 09:55 AM
I would be in favor of paying $30 for a "performance reflash" or "improvement reflash". I think mine runs very good with some minor hesitations and top speed irregularity (runs better one run than another) but if the factory can improve performance I don't mind helping to pay for the improvements they can give us. I don't think they "owe" perfection to us.
MBR44
Jul 7 2008, 12:26 PM
c1c, I totally agree. Mine runs pretty well after the oil pump adjustment but if I can get more it wouldn't hurt. I still foul plugs at idle. Is this going to be like the 07 reflash where some had gains and others had losses?
Polaris_88
Jul 8 2008, 04:58 PM
I also would like to know if there is any improvements on performance on the 08 700 reflash. I have been thinking about doing the SLP performance edition package. I think it would really help out this sled. Has anyone done this to there sled? Was there a big gain? Is it worth the money? If I dont do this to the sled I will be for sure buying a pipe and can for the sled. Need to do somthing so my wifes 600cfi cant run with my 700. I wish I just would have gotten the 600. Oh well I guess I will have to do some tweaking to this sled.
Freakbrother69
Jul 8 2008, 10:01 PM
^^^Gulp, I was actually thinking of grabbing an '08 700 Switcher and I thought all that talk of them 600's keeping up was all BS. Uh oh, better rethink my plan....hmmm.
just-pinch-it
Jul 9 2008, 08:17 PM
QUOTE(Polaris_88 @ Jul 8 2008, 06:58 PM)

I also would like to know if there is any improvements on performance on the 08 700 reflash. I have been thinking about doing the SLP performance edition package. I think it would really help out this sled. Has anyone done this to there sled? Was there a big gain? Is it worth the money? If I dont do this to the sled I will be for sure buying a pipe and can for the sled. Need to do somthing so my wifes 600cfi cant run with my 700. I wish I just would have gotten the 600. Oh well I guess I will have to do some tweaking to this sled.

The SLP kit won't make you say "WOW", it just makes it a better overall sled. The ECU reflash is flawless, but never had a problem with the OEM in regards to plug fouling or hesitation. At the end of season I started finding out some things with the clutching that may make me say "WOW" about this kit, but won't know for sure until the snow flys. Also, rerouted the coolant hoses to see if the running temp is more stable and consistantly above 120°, but never got a chance to try it, & was hoping that helps performance.
Jets7979
Jul 9 2008, 08:35 PM
QUOTE(just-pinch-it @ Jul 9 2008, 09:17 PM)

The SLP kit won't make you say "WOW", it just makes it a better overall sled. The ECU reflash is flawless, but never had a problem with the OEM in regards to plug fouling or hesitation. At the end of season I started finding out some things with the clutching that may make me say "WOW" about this kit, but won't know for sure until the snow flys. Also, rerouted the coolant hoses to see if the running temp is more stable and consistantly above 120°, but never got a chance to try it, & was hoping that helps performance.
Just curious what clutching are you refering to the clutch parts that come with the kit or do you know of some other setups that may work. I am going to do some clutching on my Dragon before winter butnot sure what to do everyone seems to have sifferent ideas. Any input is greatly appreciated.
just-pinch-it
Jul 10 2008, 07:42 AM
QUOTE(Jets7979 @ Jul 9 2008, 10:35 PM)

Just curious what clutching are you refering to the clutch parts that come with the kit or do you know of some other setups that may work. I am going to do some clutching on my Dragon before winter butnot sure what to do everyone seems to have sifferent ideas. Any input is greatly appreciated.
I was going down the same road as everybody else with shallow angles and weak spring rates, nothing seemed to change much as far as perfoemance. Found large angles and stiff spring rates make the biggest difference. Also big wts. 66-68gr work better. Just started down this pass, so can't give alot of info. SLP clutch recomendations are off IMO.
orville-x
Jul 10 2008, 07:28 PM
QUOTE(just-pinch-it @ Jul 9 2008, 09:17 PM)

The SLP kit won't make you say "WOW", it just makes it a better overall sled. The ECU reflash is flawless, but never had a problem with the OEM in regards to plug fouling or hesitation. At the end of season I started finding out some things with the clutching that may make me say "WOW" about this kit, but won't know for sure until the snow flys. Also, rerouted the coolant hoses to see if the running temp is more stable and consistantly above 120°, but never got a chance to try it, & was hoping that helps performance.
If you don't mind me asking, did you run the motor after switching the coolant hoses? I swapped mine and didn't see anything change just warming the motor up. The entire cooling system still gets heated up the same way as before as the motor warms up. I even tried closing off the hose coming off the top of the head completely - still heats the entire cooling system. It left me wondering if my sled actually has a "defective" heat exchanger or if they all act this way. I can't see how the hose change makes any real difference - again, unless there is actually something wrong. I'm thinking of pulling the front exchanger out and taking a look at it, maybe make an "adjustment" that will actually fix the problem instead of putting a band-aid on it.
Iwannagofast
Jul 10 2008, 08:26 PM
i just checked on the dealer website and there is no service bulletin posted yet for a 700 reflash. i haven't installed the newest digital wrench yet(busy with landscape season) so must be it shows a reflash on there but they haven't posted a bulletin to say what the new reflash accomplishes.
Jets7979
Jul 11 2008, 06:11 AM
That is exactly what my dealer told me. He told me to check back in a month or so. At least there is some hope out there for us.
craze1cars
Jul 11 2008, 06:20 AM
Thanks for checking on this guys...to any of you with access to this info and/or regular communication with your dealers, please keep us informed when Polaris releases whatever literature they plan to release to match this reflash.
Enjoy the summer!
MBR44
Jul 11 2008, 07:01 AM
I also spoke with a dealer and they said they had it in the digital wrench but no idea how it affects the curve. Can't wait to see what happens.
A05GSHO
Jul 11 2008, 07:19 AM
I spoke to the service manager at my dealer on Wed. he said he's not aware of a reflash that he would have to run the VIN on my sled to find out.
Jets7979
Jul 11 2008, 09:26 AM
QUOTE(A05GSHO @ Jul 11 2008, 08:19 AM)

I spoke to the service manager at my dealer on Wed. he said he's not aware of a reflash that he would have to run the VIN on my sled to find out.
You will have to ask them to check the (Mechanical wrench software) I believe that is what the software is called. However it doesn't show a reflash yet they just show there is information about this. But nothing to perform yet. That is what I was told.
tc1
Jul 11 2008, 11:33 AM
QUOTE(tc1 @ Jun 28 2008, 08:13 PM)

See your dealer, it,s now on our digital wrench software.
Upon closer reading on this reflash, I discovered it is ONLY FOR SLEDS IN CANADA. Not available for US sleds. I will keep everyone posted if and when it becomes available in the United States .
craze1cars
Jul 11 2008, 12:27 PM
Thanks for clarifying, tc1. Always good to put a rumor to rest with facts.
Of course now you can expect all the same types of questions we asked from our friends living in the great white north...
I'm still very curious what the reflash specifically claims to change or correct, even if it isn't available to US customers. Frankly mine runs pretty decent...just obviously fat on fuel with coal black plugs. Never fouled though. I'll be trying to correct that this year by leaning it with a Dynoport pipe I bought, we'll see if it does the job or not this winter.
polarisboy
Jul 11 2008, 09:13 PM
A good reflash would be nice. I never fouled any plugs, but the MILEAGE sucks, no reason to have it that rich. I guess I also need to get my pump checked. I'm sure a smidge less oil isnt going to hurt it any.
I'm more concerned with the top end. I still think its in the secondary. The RPM's are pretty much right on, but it just doesn't go. I read in one of my million magazines that the 09's are going to have a "Polaris built" secondary that address the shift out issue that the Team POS are having.
Hope they make this thing right... or its going to be ugly!
just-pinch-it
Jul 12 2008, 08:50 AM
QUOTE(orville-x @ Jul 10 2008, 09:28 PM)

If you don't mind me asking, did you run the motor after switching the coolant hoses? I swapped mine and didn't see anything change just warming the motor up. The entire cooling system still gets heated up the same way as before as the motor warms up. I even tried closing off the hose coming off the top of the head completely - still heats the entire cooling system. It left me wondering if my sled actually has a "defective" heat exchanger or if they all act this way. I can't see how the hose change makes any real difference - again, unless there is actually something wrong. I'm thinking of pulling the front exchanger out and taking a look at it, maybe make an "adjustment" that will actually fix the problem instead of putting a band-aid on it.
No, I didn't. But, warming it up on the stand it appeard to warm up quicker, and to up above 120°. If I can remember correctly, as it got hotter you could tell when the thermostat opened and down the temp would drop to 120°. It would be nice if this change would keep the temps in the 120°-130° range consistantly. My normal operating temp is in the 105°-112° range.
rich03sks700
Jul 12 2008, 07:02 PM
QUOTE(polarisboy @ Jul 11 2008, 10:13 PM)

A good reflash would be nice. I never fouled any plugs, but the MILEAGE sucks, no reason to have it that rich. I guess I also need to get my pump checked. I'm sure a smidge less oil isnt going to hurt it any.
I'm more concerned with the top end. I still think its in the secondary. The RPM's are pretty much right on, but it just doesn't go. I read in one of my million magazines that the 09's are going to have a "Polaris built" secondary that address the shift out issue that the Team POS are having.
Hope they make this thing right... or its going to be ugly!
Low 130 HP D7, not the 140 HP D7 that you paid for = low "poor" top speed!!!!!!!!!
No one can clutch a dog engine with low HP into a quick & fast sled!!!!!
800 DRAGON
Jul 12 2008, 07:31 PM
QUOTE(rich03sks700 @ Jul 12 2008, 09:02 PM)

Low 130 HP D7, not the 140 HP D7 that you paid for = low "poor" top speed!!!!!!!!!
No one can clutch a dog engine with low HP into a quick & fast sled!!!!!
My dealer sold a pile of 07 & 08 700's very few problems run strong maybe the Canadian flash is better ?
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