Gotta stick my chin out and ask if anyone has any info on the '09 racers?
Engine?
Chassis? New or updated?
Suspension?
From what i have read so far it will be an updated IQ-chassis for one more year, but if so what will be updated?
Full Version: '09 Racers?
ive heard a new front end as in a-arms and spindles.
I was talking to with tech-lab racing he said there will be a new skid and theres talk of a 128
there were sketches of a new suspension design, but supposedly not suppose to be until 2010. In the sketches it looked like the bulkhead was still an IQ chassie.
Yepp, the new skid we have seen the sketches of but as you say we have heard that it won't apper until 2010.
But the new A-arms/spindles and skid with a 128 have not been heard about. Are these going to be mounted in the IQr chassis we already got as an update?
But the new A-arms/spindles and skid with a 128 have not been heard about. Are these going to be mounted in the IQr chassis we already got as an update?
Yepp, thats the pic we have seen and heard it will be used in 2010. But i guess nothng is for sure...
In the 80-90's Polaris had a similar solution wich they rode a couple of races one of the old boys are telling me, but after that it dissapeared again.
In the 80-90's Polaris had a similar solution wich they rode a couple of races one of the old boys are telling me, but after that it dissapeared again.
It looks heavy to me, in comparison to the current skid.
QUOTE(mr.prox @ May 18 2008, 04:25 PM) 
It looks heavy to me, in comparison to the current skid.
Yes, and no to mention all the linkages and arms that can break. The old skid was less arms and linkages but still needed lot's of reinforcement to hold up as i t should.
Imagine all the welding and specialtrix to make this one hold up :-)
QUOTE(mr.prox @ May 17 2008, 02:59 PM)
how does the track wrap? i'm gonna call this as bs
It's not BS
The track returns to the drive axle into the tunnel just like the current design. The track would return to the drivers below the shock and linkage. I'm not saying we will see this skid in '10 or ever but this design has made it past the concept stage thats for sure.
I was going to wait a week or two and make a few calls....see if anyone at the Race Department is willing to spill some beans. They seldom tell me any secrets but they will let me take a few guesses some times.
I heard from one guy who is close to the Race Department and he claims a whole new sled...I don't put any faith in that.
Here is my prediction with NO Advanced info from anyone.
1. Same exact IQ we currently have Chassis wise.
2. Same exact Front Suspension we currently have
3. Possible variation of the W/E Airs with Remotes up front.....we were supposed to get those last year.
4. Redesigned Skid, with a RTA similar to the SnoPro.
5. 128" track a real possibility.
6. New rear track shock.
7. More HP. Higher compression and better port timing for much more HP. for '08 Polaris is the only Manuf. that stuck by the Pump Gas rule. By mid summer '07 Cat and Doo had cried enough to the ISR that they eliminated any language specific to octane rating or Pump Gas. They just called it Comercially Available Fuel. Now Polaris will step up the compression and require higher octane.
8. Better Brake Rotor. While the Poo brakes are about the best there is (Cat is just as good) we will get a better rotor design that allows for more cooling and less fade. Hard riders could fade the brakes pretty quiclky.
9. New colors. Orange and Grey might just show up for some racers.
10. New Price Tag. Polaris is doing all they can to keep costs down for racers but with the '08 Cats $1000 more and the '08 Doo's $2000 more we will see our '09 buggies cost about $7400.
So there you go.....
The track returns to the drive axle into the tunnel just like the current design. The track would return to the drivers below the shock and linkage. I'm not saying we will see this skid in '10 or ever but this design has made it past the concept stage thats for sure.
I was going to wait a week or two and make a few calls....see if anyone at the Race Department is willing to spill some beans. They seldom tell me any secrets but they will let me take a few guesses some times.
I heard from one guy who is close to the Race Department and he claims a whole new sled...I don't put any faith in that.
Here is my prediction with NO Advanced info from anyone.
1. Same exact IQ we currently have Chassis wise.
2. Same exact Front Suspension we currently have
3. Possible variation of the W/E Airs with Remotes up front.....we were supposed to get those last year.
4. Redesigned Skid, with a RTA similar to the SnoPro.
5. 128" track a real possibility.
6. New rear track shock.
7. More HP. Higher compression and better port timing for much more HP. for '08 Polaris is the only Manuf. that stuck by the Pump Gas rule. By mid summer '07 Cat and Doo had cried enough to the ISR that they eliminated any language specific to octane rating or Pump Gas. They just called it Comercially Available Fuel. Now Polaris will step up the compression and require higher octane.
8. Better Brake Rotor. While the Poo brakes are about the best there is (Cat is just as good) we will get a better rotor design that allows for more cooling and less fade. Hard riders could fade the brakes pretty quiclky.
9. New colors. Orange and Grey might just show up for some racers.
10. New Price Tag. Polaris is doing all they can to keep costs down for racers but with the '08 Cats $1000 more and the '08 Doo's $2000 more we will see our '09 buggies cost about $7400.
So there you go.....
you got a lot right there tom.
more power is a definite
different brakes
lighter weight front end supposed to save 14 pounds.
that is what i heard from a source very close to the race department today.
more power is a definite
different brakes
lighter weight front end supposed to save 14 pounds.
that is what i heard from a source very close to the race department today.
I keep hearing "Light Weight Front End" and I keep saying to myself...No Way. The current front suspension is very durable and and I just don't see Polaris putting a Consumer Style front end on the Race Chassis.
Well there is where I may be very wrong. Maybe Polaris isn't looking toward a Consumer Style front suspension. Maybe they are looking at a completely different front end, different from current and different from consumer. I could see them redesigning the complete A-Arm/spindle assembly and giving us a very durable lighter front end. You guys may have just convinced me.
Well there is where I may be very wrong. Maybe Polaris isn't looking toward a Consumer Style front suspension. Maybe they are looking at a completely different front end, different from current and different from consumer. I could see them redesigning the complete A-Arm/spindle assembly and giving us a very durable lighter front end. You guys may have just convinced me.
QUOTE(AkIQPilot @ May 18 2008, 06:50 PM)
It's not BS
The track returns to the drive axle into the tunnel just like the current design. The track would return to the drivers below the shock and linkage. I'm not saying we will see this skid in '10 or ever but this design has made it past the concept stage thats for sure.
I was going to wait a week or two and make a few calls....see if anyone at the Race Department is willing to spill some beans. They seldom tell me any secrets but they will let me take a few guesses some times.
I heard from one guy who is close to the Race Department and he claims a whole new sled...I don't put any faith in that.
Here is my prediction with NO Advanced info from anyone.
1. Same exact IQ we currently have Chassis wise.
2. Same exact Front Suspension we currently have
3. Possible variation of the W/E Airs with Remotes up front.....we were supposed to get those last year.
4. Redesigned Skid, with a RTA similar to the SnoPro.
5. 128" track a real possibility.
6. New rear track shock.
7. More HP. Higher compression and better port timing for much more HP. for '08 Polaris is the only Manuf. that stuck by the Pump Gas rule. By mid summer '07 Cat and Doo had cried enough to the ISR that they eliminated any language specific to octane rating or Pump Gas. They just called it Comercially Available Fuel. Now Polaris will step up the compression and require higher octane.
8. Better Brake Rotor. While the Poo brakes are about the best there is (Cat is just as good) we will get a better rotor design that allows for more cooling and less fade. Hard riders could fade the brakes pretty quiclky.
9. New colors. Orange and Grey might just show up for some racers.
10. New Price Tag. Polaris is doing all they can to keep costs down for racers but with the '08 Cats $1000 more and the '08 Doo's $2000 more we will see our '09 buggies cost about $7400.
So there you go.....
The track returns to the drive axle into the tunnel just like the current design. The track would return to the drivers below the shock and linkage. I'm not saying we will see this skid in '10 or ever but this design has made it past the concept stage thats for sure.
I was going to wait a week or two and make a few calls....see if anyone at the Race Department is willing to spill some beans. They seldom tell me any secrets but they will let me take a few guesses some times.
I heard from one guy who is close to the Race Department and he claims a whole new sled...I don't put any faith in that.
Here is my prediction with NO Advanced info from anyone.
1. Same exact IQ we currently have Chassis wise.
2. Same exact Front Suspension we currently have
3. Possible variation of the W/E Airs with Remotes up front.....we were supposed to get those last year.
4. Redesigned Skid, with a RTA similar to the SnoPro.
5. 128" track a real possibility.
6. New rear track shock.
7. More HP. Higher compression and better port timing for much more HP. for '08 Polaris is the only Manuf. that stuck by the Pump Gas rule. By mid summer '07 Cat and Doo had cried enough to the ISR that they eliminated any language specific to octane rating or Pump Gas. They just called it Comercially Available Fuel. Now Polaris will step up the compression and require higher octane.
8. Better Brake Rotor. While the Poo brakes are about the best there is (Cat is just as good) we will get a better rotor design that allows for more cooling and less fade. Hard riders could fade the brakes pretty quiclky.
9. New colors. Orange and Grey might just show up for some racers.
10. New Price Tag. Polaris is doing all they can to keep costs down for racers but with the '08 Cats $1000 more and the '08 Doo's $2000 more we will see our '09 buggies cost about $7400.
So there you go.....
I can't see them making an orange sled considering the ISR rules say no orange on the sleds, but who knows.
I bet we will see a new front end very similar to the Z-bros setup
QUOTE(motosled904 @ May 18 2008, 08:58 PM)
I can't see them making an orange sled considering the ISR rules say no orange on the sleds, but who knows.
I bet we will see a new front end very similar to the Z-bros setup
I bet we will see a new front end very similar to the Z-bros setup
heavy duty forks in the front lol... that'd be kinda cool but it would be hard to squeeze it under the hood
QUOTE(motosled904 @ May 18 2008, 07:58 PM)
I can't see them making an orange sled considering the ISR rules say no orange on the sleds, but who knows.
I bet we will see a new front end very similar to the Z-bros setup
I bet we will see a new front end very similar to the Z-bros setup
Yea, you're right moto...I was just trying to come up with 10 things for my list. I ran out of ideas.
QUOTE(AkIQPilot @ May 18 2008, 07:40 PM)
I keep hearing "Light Weight Front End" and I keep saying to myself...No Way. The current front suspension is very durable and and I just don't see Polaris putting a Consumer Style front end on the Race Chassis.
Well there is where I may be very wrong. Maybe Polaris isn't looking toward a Consumer Style front suspension. Maybe they are looking at a completely different front end, different from current and different from consumer. I could see them redesigning the complete A-Arm/spindle assembly and giving us a very durable lighter front end. You guys may have just convinced me.
Well there is where I may be very wrong. Maybe Polaris isn't looking toward a Consumer Style front suspension. Maybe they are looking at a completely different front end, different from current and different from consumer. I could see them redesigning the complete A-Arm/spindle assembly and giving us a very durable lighter front end. You guys may have just convinced me.
tom is does have a new front end, its jsut a lower a arm chagne and a added optioanl sway bar link. gabe bunke was racing a 08.5 IQr the last few races last year and i talked to thim about it. it just a slightly better caster angle and reduces steering effort more. also add the sway bar link mounting for guys running XC if they want a sway bar. same sway bar as the 09 dragons have.
QUOTE(AkIQPilot @ May 19 2008, 12:50 AM)
It's not BS
The track returns to the drive axle into the tunnel just like the current design. The track would return to the drivers below the shock and linkage. I'm not saying we will see this skid in '10 or ever but this design has made it past the concept stage thats for sure.
I was going to wait a week or two and make a few calls....see if anyone at the Race Department is willing to spill some beans. They seldom tell me any secrets but they will let me take a few guesses some times.
I heard from one guy who is close to the Race Department and he claims a whole new sled...I don't put any faith in that.
Here is my prediction with NO Advanced info from anyone.
1. Same exact IQ we currently have Chassis wise.
2. Same exact Front Suspension we currently have
3. Possible variation of the W/E Airs with Remotes up front.....we were supposed to get those last year.
4. Redesigned Skid, with a RTA similar to the SnoPro.
5. 128" track a real possibility.
6. New rear track shock.
7. More HP. Higher compression and better port timing for much more HP. for '08 Polaris is the only Manuf. that stuck by the Pump Gas rule. By mid summer '07 Cat and Doo had cried enough to the ISR that they eliminated any language specific to octane rating or Pump Gas. They just called it Comercially Available Fuel. Now Polaris will step up the compression and require higher octane.
8. Better Brake Rotor. While the Poo brakes are about the best there is (Cat is just as good) we will get a better rotor design that allows for more cooling and less fade. Hard riders could fade the brakes pretty quiclky.
9. New colors. Orange and Grey might just show up for some racers.
10. New Price Tag. Polaris is doing all they can to keep costs down for racers but with the '08 Cats $1000 more and the '08 Doo's $2000 more we will see our '09 buggies cost about $7400.
So there you go.....
The track returns to the drive axle into the tunnel just like the current design. The track would return to the drivers below the shock and linkage. I'm not saying we will see this skid in '10 or ever but this design has made it past the concept stage thats for sure.
I was going to wait a week or two and make a few calls....see if anyone at the Race Department is willing to spill some beans. They seldom tell me any secrets but they will let me take a few guesses some times.
I heard from one guy who is close to the Race Department and he claims a whole new sled...I don't put any faith in that.
Here is my prediction with NO Advanced info from anyone.
1. Same exact IQ we currently have Chassis wise.
2. Same exact Front Suspension we currently have
3. Possible variation of the W/E Airs with Remotes up front.....we were supposed to get those last year.
4. Redesigned Skid, with a RTA similar to the SnoPro.
5. 128" track a real possibility.
6. New rear track shock.
7. More HP. Higher compression and better port timing for much more HP. for '08 Polaris is the only Manuf. that stuck by the Pump Gas rule. By mid summer '07 Cat and Doo had cried enough to the ISR that they eliminated any language specific to octane rating or Pump Gas. They just called it Comercially Available Fuel. Now Polaris will step up the compression and require higher octane.
8. Better Brake Rotor. While the Poo brakes are about the best there is (Cat is just as good) we will get a better rotor design that allows for more cooling and less fade. Hard riders could fade the brakes pretty quiclky.
9. New colors. Orange and Grey might just show up for some racers.
10. New Price Tag. Polaris is doing all they can to keep costs down for racers but with the '08 Cats $1000 more and the '08 Doo's $2000 more we will see our '09 buggies cost about $7400.
So there you go.....
Tom. These things are pretty much the things i have been assuming and hoping for, but you never know, there might be a new sled around the corner :-)
Keep the info coming, cause i know there are some of you out there who knows what is going to happen next year... But it's fun comparing ideas and in the end check how much actually became the truth..
Everything I listed is just made up. I am guessing for sure and have no inside knowledge what so ever at this time.
I do think #7 and #8 are real possibilities. The '08 Poo motor was very strong with almost No Failures. A little more compression will add to an already potent powerplant. The Cat and Doo folks are struggling with the power plants. The Cat has a huge advantage with the 15"X128" track. We really had to be on our game this year to out accelerate a Cat.
I am being swayed to think new A-arms are also a very big possibility. Removing 14lbs of unspring weight from the front end is a big deal. With X/C racing making a comeback I can see Polaris putting some effort in that direction. I saw a completely stock 600RR do very well in a local X/C race, the only thing to beat it was a totally X/C race prepped 600RS. Minor work to the 600RR would have closed the gap and the RR may have been able to win.
Just some more thoughts on this subject.
I do think #7 and #8 are real possibilities. The '08 Poo motor was very strong with almost No Failures. A little more compression will add to an already potent powerplant. The Cat and Doo folks are struggling with the power plants. The Cat has a huge advantage with the 15"X128" track. We really had to be on our game this year to out accelerate a Cat.
I am being swayed to think new A-arms are also a very big possibility. Removing 14lbs of unspring weight from the front end is a big deal. With X/C racing making a comeback I can see Polaris putting some effort in that direction. I saw a completely stock 600RR do very well in a local X/C race, the only thing to beat it was a totally X/C race prepped 600RS. Minor work to the 600RR would have closed the gap and the RR may have been able to win.
Just some more thoughts on this subject.
QUOTE(AkIQPilot @ May 19 2008, 05:05 PM)
Everything I listed is just made up. I am guessing for sure and have no inside knowledge what so ever at this time.
I do think #7 and #8 are real possibilities. The '08 Poo motor was very strong with almost No Failures. A little more compression will add to an already potent powerplant. The Cat and Doo folks are struggling with the power plants. The Cat has a huge advantage with the 15"X128" track. We really had to be on our game this year to out accelerate a Cat.
I am being swayed to think new A-arms are also a very big possibility. Removing 14lbs of unspring weight from the front end is a big deal. With X/C racing making a comeback I can see Polaris putting some effort in that direction. I saw a completely stock 600RR do very well in a local X/C race, the only thing to beat it was a totally X/C race prepped 600RS. Minor work to the 600RR would have closed the gap and the RR may have been able to win.
Just some more thoughts on this subject.
I do think #7 and #8 are real possibilities. The '08 Poo motor was very strong with almost No Failures. A little more compression will add to an already potent powerplant. The Cat and Doo folks are struggling with the power plants. The Cat has a huge advantage with the 15"X128" track. We really had to be on our game this year to out accelerate a Cat.
I am being swayed to think new A-arms are also a very big possibility. Removing 14lbs of unspring weight from the front end is a big deal. With X/C racing making a comeback I can see Polaris putting some effort in that direction. I saw a completely stock 600RR do very well in a local X/C race, the only thing to beat it was a totally X/C race prepped 600RS. Minor work to the 600RR would have closed the gap and the RR may have been able to win.
Just some more thoughts on this subject.
ill let you guys in on my XC IQR. happy to help others here like draper and a few others running IQRs in xc next year. im working on a whole general setup for everyone to go off of suspension and gearing wise. the 600 rs to were just ok here. lots of breaking problems and engine was not to strong. the cats were really fast machines though. they didnt have the top end though the doo and poos did.
QUOTE(timespentsearching @ May 19 2008, 07:42 PM)
ill let you guys in on my XC IQR. happy to help others here like draper and a few others running IQRs in xc next year. im working on a whole general setup for everyone to go off of suspension and gearing wise. the 600 rs to were just ok here. lots of breaking problems and engine was not to strong. the cats were really fast machines though. they didnt have the top end though the doo and poos did.
the bigger track does slow the cat donw a little bit top end wise, but i dont there was an rs that didnt break this year, haha
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QUOTE(snofevr083 @ May 19 2008, 08:53 PM)
the bigger track does slow the cat donw a little bit top end wise, but i dont there was an rs that didnt break this year, haha
Bryce Bunchanan was saying that no matter how they geared it they couldnt see 100. they think it is wind drag in the tunnel. i ahve to say though the chassis works great for XC. i love the cats wider running boards. hope i can kick some a$$ with the IQr and hopefully the new dragon next year (will now in july if i got one). semi pro is going to be alot harder. the 09 Iqrs are going to be a little more XC friendly though to for you guys trying to get one for xc.
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