i got a real problem with these assholes i brought my sportsman in to get a routine maitnence and to get my high beam checked out i also ordered a gun boot from them and they put it on thinking they would make the money off of me for the shop rate i never asked for them 2 put it on do they have any rite to do this i know this is the last time i will deal with those assholes they are fuckin rude every time i go there

they are great for me, even get a discount

Well I wouldn't pay for the installation unless you asked them, and tell them to take it off if they want to be pricks about it, and from there...just find a new dealer if they treat you bad...plenty of guys looking for your money out there!

Dealers are getting worse and worse, you should take it too someone you trust, there is some small shop guys around that do good jobs too! Not too mention for half the price! I still don't know why dealers charge $75 an hour, most mechanics don't even make $16 an hour! It's called rape!!

Wow.....that is surprising to hear that they would intentionally try and do something like that. That does not sound like them. My dealings with them have always been good. I've purchased a quad and a chainsaw from them and I also have them service my quad.

I know many others that have nothing but good things to say about them. Is it possible that it may have been a miscommunication?

3 sides to every story. Coming on here and blasting them doesn't help the situation.

If I was getting a new Polaris, they'd be the first place I'd call.

no actually the shop rate is 80 an hour i have to keep my quad there so i can scrounge up the money to pay these assholes just wait till i go pick it up there going to get an ear full im going to westside for now on my buddy deals there and they are good people my advice is to stay away from sobetskis

o just 2 let u kno the bill is 800 which takes a 15 year old a while to get there hands on the only time they were nice was when i handed them a 10 000 dollar check

There's no way they can make you pay for work you didn't ok, and they should have a sig. or a verbal agreement to insatll that boot, etc before they do the work...if not...tuff titties for them. Threaten with small claims or BtrBizBur and see if they worry about a hour or two labour. Openly bashing a dealer on a site like this is never a good idea, but hey...I pay attention to even the small complaints, makes a guy think twice and a few others...that's another reason to bring up for them to make this right.

800 bucks for routine maintance, and installing a boot and a high beam. Now tell the rest of the story what is wrong with the quad

Before you call it anything try running a shop for a while and see what the overhead is and how much you have to charge to keep the wolf away from the door.

pure genius coming on here and bashing them like this. You probably noticed that a few guys have defended them, now what are the odds that one of them goes into that shop and says something like "hey, I read on HCS that some kid who had a gun boot installed on his atv said..."

Do you think they'll instantly know who you are?

Yes, there's no doubt that they will be in a great mood to help you out now, and as I read it they've currently still got your ride.

Like I said, pure genius.

I took it serously till i saw he is 15. You want work done pay, you take your quad in for work and order parts they are just asuming you want them on. Unless you physicly said dont put those on then dont bitch. 10 000 doller quad but cant find 800 bucks to pay them with.... ha.

Like your any older, and you still can't spell

About 7 years ago I bought a quad from them thinking I could trust the fact that I bought it from a "reputable" dealer. Well the thing was a total lemon. Couldn't go one ride without something breaking on it. Finally when both struts went I asked them why they told me it was in great shape when I bought it and 2 months later it is falling apart. What could they say? They knew they took me for a ride selling a piece of shit to somebody who didn't bother to thoroughly check it out. After that I vowed never to buy anything from them again. Now, that is just my personal experience, and I've always heard others defending them so I figured maybe I was just unlucky. Who knows!

Another minor complaint I had with them was that they just were not very friendly, almost like you're wasting their time. I expect that from city dealers, not from small town dealers. Again just my 2 cents.

As far sharing bad experiences with dealers on a public forum, I'm all for it. If you have a bad experience somewhere, you should be sharing it on here to let others know what to look out for.

Like your any smarter you ride a yamaha, why the fuck would you even take a quad in for service for christ sakes do it your self.

why would you pay 800 bucks the work they did unless we're missing something here about the extent of the maintance.

3 sides to every story.

Thats right the DEALER assumed he wanted his acc. put on. No dealer should install acc or parts unless you request it. If they do to bad for the dealer cause I sure and hell wouldn't pay for it.

nice comeback..........

Why wouldn't a guy want to take in his quad in if he's not familiar with some of the things that need to be done. Sometimes it's just as fast and easy to let someone else do it, then to be a hero and then end up on every forum on the net getting 100 other people to figure out your problem. I need the valves adjusted on my Outtie 400, but damned if I'm gonna do it...can I...sure, but why piss around for something the dealer can do in an hour.

250 may be a kid, but he has the same rights everyone else does, and sometimes they get taken advantage of worse then others.

250, what did they say when you confronted them about doing additional work to your bike?
If you did not ask them to install this accessory, just tell them you are going to pay only for the work that they were instructed to do.

thanx 4mula i may be a kid but i work 5 days a week as a dishwasher and im paying 4 my quad by myself my mom just cosighned 4 it ive made all payments and then this bullshit has to happen

as for confrunting them i havent went in yet to get it bc i have to wait for my next pay check for me to afford it but 4 sure there will be words exchanged thats a promise i am going 2 refuse 2 pay for the installation fee but as for them ill c them next thursday and that will b the last time 2 im going 2 deal through westside honda of selkirk for my polaris needs

I don't know about the rest you guys/girls,but I do a lot of work on quads and sleds for people(backyard for people that want to save money),& I would never do anything that wasn't requested by the customer.Any work that I see outside what was requested warrants a phone call to the customer.Any work done outside the requested work should not have to be paid for period.The dealer made an assumption,they should eat the cost.

250, if you haven't expressed your displeasure with them yet, this isn't the place to do it. You should first give them a chance to explain themselves as I am sure they don't want to lose you as a customer. Hopefully this was all just a mis understanding and it can be resolved by you and your dealer. The internet is not the place to air your dirty laundry. To me, this is between you and Sobetskis. If you talk it out with them and aren't satisfied then by all means, move on to another dealer.
I hope it all works out for you!! Good luck!

this topic has nothing thing to do with jerking off and playing video games, (something a 16 year old knows about) keep your comments to yourself.

Fredom of spech, should of keep your comment to your self. I can jerk off and play viedo games at once... mmmmhhhhmm dont think you can do that.

ahmen brother.....no need for sh!t like that on a topic like this, and hell......16 was the good old days, wait till these kids hit the real world and your pay cheque goes 90% to bills and maybe 10% to toys.

Maybe just asking opinions on the forum would get you some helpful feedback. Shoot first ask questions later... may not be as productive. Good luck with the $50 install, the rest of the bill is what has ya wound up. Maybe enlighten us and see what can be done to help get that down a bit.

so what else was done to it for the 800 buck bill? sure not just the boot install which would be what 50-100 bucks tops, what is it a few bolts and brackets? sounds like the quad had some issues you choose to not tell us about. why do you have to shoot your mouth off and put down one of the best dealers in the area like that instead of trying to find a solution and why not enlighten us to what else the 800 buck bill involves???

sounds like the quad was beat to hell. like a preseason maintance and check is 89.95 here(at a dealer not a private guy). same with sleds.


but without confronting them yet, i wouldnt be complaining about what they charge. talk to them and explain that you only ordered the boot. but to come on here and complain but not talk to the dealer is kinda backwards

I'd like to know what the bill was for too. Obviously there's way more to this.

for a sled wouldnt 800 bucks buy a new track and the shop rate to change it????

And then some.........it seems like we are not getting the entire story with this situation.

ya ok the boot was 249.95 mait 239.95 put the boot on 119.95 and ya i dont really care what u assholes think the quad has 1900 km i dont abuse to the other people who agree with me that sobetskis are assholes right on cheers to 4mula ur a good guy and fuck all you other assholes that disagree

I'd tell you to grow up, but I'm sure you already know you need to.

I have never had a problem with sobetski. In the past bought 2 new sleds and even had some work done when warranty was up. He fought for me and got some stuff to get covered by a warranty that was done. can't say a bad thing about them. Thus is why i had to comment in this forum. I think sobetski will be glad he doesn't have to deal with a dip-shit like you anymore. Next time you will be bad mouthing westside, maybe your the problem!!!

yep, he sure sounds like a immature ass does he not, 120 to install it, big shit, bitching about the 800 buck bill and how you cannot afford it, all bullshit, so you had no trouble paying the 700 bucks for the rest of the bill and the extra 100 broke your bank account, maybe its a sign you cannot afford the sport. you want to play you pay. when you take something in for work and order an accessory at the same time, and do not specifically state you do not want the item put on, well then of course it will be put on because the other 100 people before you had it installed. its a given. like you would buy tires and bitch about the installation cost, unless you say you will install them yourself, maybe you should go work in a atv or automotive shop and see the big picture.

i work/manage a bodyshop and when someone orders a mirror or a truck box cover, spoiler or whatever the part is, it is installed and the customer pays. sometimes they get pissed as the cost is sometimes more then they expect, but thats because they do not ask for the price up front, or sometimes assume the shop will install the item free of charge, which is what i am assuming you did also and you were shocked at the cost of the installation and now you are mad and badmouthing the respectable shop that only did their job. every job you do has a price, its called book rate, its something you should learn.

badmouthing a business on the net is bad news, people see who you really are and will not want to deal with you anymore especially if they run a shop or business. we had a few customers like you which we refuse to work on their cars anymore because they are impossible to deal with, nothing makes them happy, and you know what, they go around and went to other shops, maybe got work done there, but they always try to come back as no one else will deal with them. and you know what, we still refuse to work on their vehicles unless they sign a waiver that they will cause us no trouble. for some it worked, and they are happy, but for one he is banned from the shop.

good luck at westside? maybe you will have an issue their and then badmouth them on here.

if you want a soulution it is better to talk with the owner directly, and with a level head, you will get better results, as if i owned the business and read this post, i would tell you to go-you-know-where!!

Your all very anxious to pile on this kid about the size of his bill, but he only bitched about the boot labour charge to begin with, and an extra $120 would sure piss me right the hell off if I didn't ask for it, and be damned if I would pay it.

He went about this in the wrong way not giving the dealer a chance to fix the problem before he vented, but even if he did and they said no, the supporters would back the biz and the haters would voice too. I say let the whole topic die for now, and if he goes in to pay the bill and they charge him in full, then report it end of story...but same goes if they do help him out on it.

Man jordan u really just cant keep ur mouth shut and deal with your problems by talking to the person can u. how many times have u gone around running ur mouth about one thing or another. You talk shit about a great dealer and then are going to be pissed when Westside does somthing u dont like and start talking shit again. You've already had ur ass kicked once for having a big mouth. Next time try telling the whole story instead of creating it to sound like u had no play in it at all.

Not being one to bitch i must say that from reading the forums and mb has a couple of real incapable baby's (you know who you are). Meaning don't you think for a minute that some day all this bashing is not going to catch up with you? This area is to small to hide and your mouth is like a billboard longing to get shut. It makes you look like a total fool to bash a shop that you don't have the BALLS or the courage to speak with the owner and settle it. Instead the yellow stripe on your back is glowing with your hatefull lack of knowledge to handle yourself like a man!! Grow up!! this forum i though was to inform with something useful not 12 yr sissy ass crap!!!

oh ya, the comment about them not releasing the atv to you, its called the garage keepers act. they do not have to release it till the bill is paid or arrangements have been made. and if it is not paid in a certain amount of time, they can file a claim for it and sell it.

i am not piling on this kid, just stating the facts of life and bills!

So you haven't even talked to them about it yet and you come on here first and bash them? You're very immature and need to grow up, kid.
This is a warning to all other dealers out there, watch for this kid coming so he doesn't bash you too!
People respect being spoken to about things that may have been mis-communicated. I would personally have no respect for you after this slanderous thread. (And yes, you could be charged for slander).

thanks dave never thought of that. here kid, i have some reading material for you:

What is slander?
Slander is the type of defamation with no permanent record. Normally it's a spoken statement. It can also be a hand gesture or something similar. The law treats slander differently than libel: with slander, you have to prove you suffered damages, in the form of financial loss, to get compensation. But with libel, the law presumes you suffered damages. For example, say that Bill told John you were a cheat, and then John refused to do business with you because of that. You sue Bill and prove that you lost business with John because of what Bill said. Bill would have to compensate you for the loss of John's business, but not for the general damage to your reputation.

in the following four examples, a slander lawsuit may succeed without you proving financial loss. Even though there's no permanent record of the slander, the law will presume damages, as if there were libel, if someone:

* accuses you of a crime (unless they made the accusation to the police)
* accuses you of having a contagious disease
* makes negative remarks about you in your trade or business
* accuses you of adultery

http://www.cba.org/BC/public_media/rights/240.aspx

Sounds like class is in at the school of hard knocks.

I had started sympathizing with this kid originally thinking he's a hard working guy trying to enjoy the fruits of his labour. Then he started harshly bashing anyone who didn't immediately agree with him. He also didn't provide the whole story at first it only came out in bits as people pressured him.


This is the sort of thread that harms a forum more than improves it's quality. I think that if this kid continues his bashing of the dealer (whom I have never dealt with), or the other members he should be given a long "vacation" from HCS,

Just Amazed how petty people can be . You dare to call the Sobetskies Assholes, They are the same people who gave their shop and time to more than 200 riders for the teen challenge ride this past winter and also donated prizes for the fund raiser and is also very comunity involved, for many we call these people friends of the sport of snowmobiling and we need more people like them ,also what is up with the language on this forum , Smarten UP and Grow up,
As Always A Pleasure
BAD COMPANY

It is a forum!!! People should be able to speak their minds to see if anyone has the same concerns. Did he go about it in the proper manner...I say no... Talk to them and if they don't reverse the charges then they are wrong...if it was spelled out properly to begin with!. I don't think anyone on here would want to pay for something that they didn't want. Bashing...well that is alright if you went through the proper procedures. Calling the little guy names is not very mature...maybe he was wrong ...but no one else was there so it is easy to judge someone. Let it die...it will go away....no one died!!!

It seems like everyone here got a lessen on what "NOT to Do" on a site.
I personally as many of us have had nothing but great dealings with Sobetskis ent. I am not a young guy and I don't think of myself as being old, but I have heard it when I was younger and still here this good advice now and then, "If you don't have anything nice to say, keep you mouth shut."
Discussing it like men will always get you further.
Just my $0.02.
CatmanCan

Still confused how he gets an $800 bill his maintaince and rack work out to 553 after taxes. The installation is another 119 plus taxes so what $136ish. thats less then $700 sounds a little exagerated.

He really should have gone to the dealer first and talked to them about the bill( if he truly asked for it not to be installed). Then if they weren't going to do anything he would have some other recourse.

Everything else sounds fine as he has to pay the maintenance and fee for diagnose and service of the high beam and he ain't getting the rack for free.

Just because someone orders a part it should not automatically be assumed they want the dealer to install it. I have had my sled or car in for service several times and ordered parts seperately but have never had them installed automatically. You should though as a consumer make it known that you will install your own parts.