I am doing a project and I can't find the dry weight of this sled, does anybody on here know.

575 lbs. should be close.

As that's what an Jag weighs, and the Turbo and parts add 35 lbs, i think 610 is probably more likely.

I believe I read someplace 626 for the Z1 Turbo and about 50lbs more for the TZ1

i thought cat dropped some weight on the twin spar?

Right at 620.

Only on the two strokes with the new ACER reverse system = -10lbs.

Thanks for the replys

Z1 = 540 Turbo = 570. (single ups) The original eb Z1 was around 540 when it came out and people put them on scales, someone goofed the 570 in 07 and Cat hasn't really advertised weights after that.

The non turbo Z1 in amsnow last year listed the weight as 575lbs ,so the turbo should be close to 600lbs. Thats is way to heaveyfor me.

I'm not trying to start anything but boy am I sick of these guys coming on here and complaining about a sled being to heavy.
Have you ever riden a twin spar Cat for any amount of time? Not just your buddies sled for a few miles. Or a Yamaha Apex that is set up well?
You Ski-Doo guys don't have anything to talk about except the weight #'s on your sleds.
Weight is just a number, it doesn't mean that much.
It's all in the way the sled is balanced and set-up.
I put on 4000-6000 miles a year and if i'm going to worry about some extra weight 3's on a sled, then it's time to give it up.
I'd much rather be a little heavier and be able to steer good coming into a corner hard instead of pushing into a corning and have no control. (My 07 F8 pushed in the corners at first until I got it set up correct for my style of riding).
I've driven some really bad handling sleds that are suppose to be so light and I've riden heavier sleds that handle great on the trails.
The other way around also. it's all in the set-up.
Don't get me wrong, I like Ski-Doos a lot but not because of there weight #'s, because they are a good reliable sled on the trails (most of the time), get great gas milage and are nice looking sleds.
I'm not bashing Ski-Doo at all, I'm bashing the guys that have never riden a well balance, well set-up sled that weighs more and then bash it because it weighs more than the sled they ride.
Try one some time for a few hundred miles and then if it feels to heavy, bash away, but bash because it truly is heavy feeling and not because it's not your brand or the weight #'s are more than you think they should be.
One other thing, I'm not brand loyle at all. I rode Ski-Doo, Arctic Cat and Yamaha this past year.
If I don't like the ride and handling of a sled and can't get it to do well on the trails, I will buy something else the next year.
I don't buy because what a company say it weighs, I buy because of what friends tell me or because of what I've experiance myself.
Just my opinion on the whole weights thing.
If the Turbo Cat I ordered feels to heavy for my likings this coming year, I'll maybe try a 4-stroke Doo. You never know!
Think snow!!!

I hear you! The funny thing is that even as light as an XP is, The damn front end still feels heavy for no more than the sled weighs. The F front feels twice as light as the xp.
Thats the one thing I've always loved about my kitties is how light the front end feels.

If a doo was 575 lbs i would say it was heavey,so keep telling your self it feels tight i don't care. I ride to hard i need a light machine and i will get a chance to ride a turbo cat next year ,a friend ordered one. I can't wait to smoke him on the trails ,it should be fun to watch him try to keep up. He also better hope that amsnow is wrong about the turbo cats top speed ,if it is 112mph sled i should be able to give him a good run on the lake. It is all in good fun boys.

Couldn't agree with you more! It's amazing that today's sleds offer so much in technology and performance, and guys can discredit a complete sled just by the (in this case, speculated) weight numbers. People should really actually ride an item before they speak negatively about it. Case in point, Yamaha has taken a lot of flack on the web because of their supposed excessive weight, usually by guys that haven't spent much, if any time on them. I rode my buddy's Attak a year or so ago, and I couldn't believe how light it felt due to the engine placement and his suspension setup. It was actually too light feeling for me. Guys who say a sled is too heavy due to a published weight number seem to have no appreciation for how today's technology and engineering can manipulate a sled's weight.

Keep telling yourself that, and someday you may wake up too. I heard all of the stories about yammys ,are so fast and they feel light ,but the proof is on the trail. Those sleds are so far behind in our group they must think the are riding alone. This year their will not be any yammys left in our group of 13 . I never said i didn't like the new cat it just doesn't suit my riding style, i have never heard of anyone saying that the yammy almost felt too light. I want some of what ever your on.

dooo man always adoo man

Funny, if all you're saying is it's not your style, why do you keep coming back to this forum??? You said it once, why keep repeating yourself? If your friends can't handle a Yamaha or any other "heavier" sled, no need to think other men can't. If you're bashing mugols, I understand these are not the sleds of choice. But on the trails, some men prefer a little more weight to keep the sled more stable. Just answer this question to yourself....how much time have you spent on the sleds you're knocking? You don't have to justify anything to us, but at least be honest with yourself....oh wait, that might mean you'll have to disagree with your brand loyalty and your friends' opinions.

Funny how you can have 13 sleds in your group and drive so fast through the trails that some guys can't keep up.
That sounds real safe. (good for the trails too). Let me know when and where you will be riding and I'll make sure I keep myself and my family off the trails that day.
Did you ever think that some guys don't have the experience or the ability to ride that hard?
If one of your buddies misses a corner and hits a tree and dies because he was eating snow dust and trying to keep up with you, how would that make you feel?
And also, if your buddies can't keep up, it's not the machines they are riding, it's the drivers ability and or brains.
You're not a Blair Morgan want-to-be or on a race coarse. You should only ride as fast as the worst driver feels comfortable riding.
We all take pride in our trail systems and respect our fellow snowmobilers that will be taveling on the trails behind us.
We spend many many hours grooming our trails for everyone to enjoy, not for a few hot doggers chewing them up.
I'm not blaiming you or making you sound like the bad guy here, (we all have fun on the trails), it's the manufatures sometime with the machines they come out and the ads they post in magazines that make to many people think they can be racers on the trails.
And you know being a doo guy, if you come on the cat site and start bashing cats, you're going catch some slack.
I love a light feeling sled as much as the next guy but like I said before the weight on sleds is just a #.
Is weight importent? On the race track, yes, in the mountains, yes sometimes, on the trails, no, it's really not that importent like a lot of people think it is.
But to each is own!
And one other thing, I also have riden Yamahas that feel to light in the front end. (it's all in the set-up).
Drive safe and keep her track side down!
I'm done posting on this topic, let's get back to talking about stuff that is really importent. SNOW!!!!!

I can hardly wait for the snow , i will let you boy's know how that 600lb dry sled really handles. I thought there would be more talk about the top speed of the new cat but it seems to be fairly quiet around here . Maybe you boy' s learned a lesson last year how fast those f8 and f1000 's really are. It should be a fun year i can't wait to line them up and see what she has under the hood, all i can say is it better be faster than 112mph or my buddies crying towel is going to be wet. Thanks boy's it has been fun i will leave you alone now so you can get back to the topic .

I useto think the same way as you did till this past year.. My buddies really got there sleds tuned in, and made my apex look bad in the tight, twitsty corners.. and believe me, i know how to tune a apex... 13mm swaybar, pilot skis, etc.. and those F7s crossfires and ZRs were killing me in the fast tight twisty trails.. I could keep up, but at the expense of feeling like i was going to crash.. They are running a TON of ski pressure, But still stear easier than my sled..

If you cant find friends that will wait for you, find new friends..

There is definitly something to be said about having a lighter sled,, Like lighter steering and ease of digging it out in the deap snow..

800doouch bag---You are a tard!! Any time you want to see a fast F1000 let me know. It will be all over by 700'! You obviously have no idea what role conditions play on top end. To run 112 on 6" of late season wet loose snow is no slouch. Your cheap chinese quality 800 xp would be doing less than 100 in the same conditions and thats real speed not your off by 8 mph skidream-o-meter.

Quit you hurt my feelings , the artic cat boys in this area won't touch the 1000 or the 800 because they know it is just a big fat waste money. I'm not sure why the don't change the f8 sticker to a f6.5 , it is a little faster than the f6 but not as fast as the f7 sounds like money well spent.

KEEP HIDING BEHIND YOUR MOM'S KEYBOARD, ROOKIE!!!!

You better hope that it was 112kph....or you don't have a prayer, ROOKIE!!!!!

Is that the best you can dooo,i thought their would be more cat guys coming to defend the new turbo cat . I guess the f8 and the f1000 has brought you boys back down to earth.Doo not forget this motor is only a twin , i have seen lots of turbo motors burn down.Even if doo did the same thing to the 1200 e-tech i would be very afraid, turbo motors do not last .

Another brilliant piece of information!

For me the weight isn't a real issue,after coming off the 03 RX1 and really having a great experience with that machine and after sitting on the TZ1 with all it's adjustability ie;bars,seat and foot wells and fit and finish I will be surprised if this is not the sled of the year.This will be one hell of a machine period! And as far as the motor burning down a comment made by an informed person,very little chance of that happening unless tampered with.

I have alot of heavys in my past,2storms,xcr8,warrior,attak,I'm OK with weight,but NONE of the sleds listed had anything like the 177 advertised HP of the Cat!And none of my old sleds ran bad! Jay

the new turbo sled is a real mans toy and the wieght is nothing for a real man
my buddie owns a cat dealer and he tested the turbo sled on the lake in 5" of loose power and hade no problem doing 115 and it still hade more so take that and put it on a groomed trail and you have well over 120mph end of story

Yes we all heard about last year was how fast the f1000 was going to be and guess what it wasn't very fast at all. Now this 600 lb sled that has maybe 10 more hp than the f1000 , is now a 120mph sled even with the extra weight ,i don't think boys . Well i have a friend with a f7 and he tells me that it runs 115mph and guess what he never beats me in a race. The fastest my sled has ever run was113mph on the gps so don't always believe everything your friends tell you. Now if you loose 1 hp for every 7lbs gained there goes all that extra hp that you had over the f1000 and what are you left with a sled that might do a 110mph if your lucky.

sucks that f7's still beat doo 800's

Dude if you don't think a dialed in F10 will do 120, ur on drugs. Granted the 07' needed a little tweaking, but the 08's didn't. proofs in the pudding. I've gone over a buck20 multiple times on glare ice.
If your 800 XP goes 113 your doing something special. The one I was around couldn't crack 110 on ice. I will give you that an XP is quick, but its not even funny hard an F10 goes by at around 85-90 as it should.
You need to make your mind up if you want a real mans sled (F10 or Turbo) or your built like a beer can XP thats quick out of the hole but will get run down by the big dogs every time.

I'm looking forward to lining up against one this coming winter! Finally may be some competition!

My sled is a little old 03 800 is fairly quick ,i have never ran it on ice to see what it would do but i am not sure why going a 120 mph on ice makes you so happy .Sleds i beat last year ,apex 2 of them f7 everyone i raced against 900 cat f8 was very slow . The f8 owner says he ran against the f1000 and it was just a little quicker than him .Now the sleds i lost to the mach 2 of them but it takes them 1000 feet to catch me , and a 800r it was the fastest sled i have ever raced it was runnig 117mph on hard packed snow. It was crazy fast out of the hole. I will trade soon but i keep waiting for all these fast cats to show up and they never doo.

The turbo cat will be the one to beat...no doubt. 800 Doo's will be no contest IMO.

I personally don't think a stock turbo will run with a well set up Mach, (I had two of them) but you have to think about reliabilty that goes along with that power.
That's where the cat turbo comes in.
You have reliability and power.
High mile riders have to keep that in the back of there heads all the time at the end of the season when racing across a lake at 110 + mph weather it's going to blow or not. (I don't like that thought).
I would have kept my Mach in a heart beat if I could have saftly said it would make 6000+ miles without major isssues.
I pesaonally don't think it would have.
I like to gas and go but have the power on tap when I need it.
I know the turbo will be more of a handfull in the trails and ditches then say maybe a well set up XP but I think the overall pros of these sleds is going to highly out weigh the cons.
It should be a fun year to see just what all these sleds will do and then here all the stories at the end of the year on how each guy did against his buddies.
Looking forward to a fun and safe year.
THINK SNOW!!!!!

The machines that hit the track for the top performance class were the Arctic Cat F1000 Sno Pro, Ski-Doo MX Z 800R X, Polaris 700 Dragon and a Yamaha Apex GT.

The first machine out of the gate in the Stock Open/Top Performance group was the first machine to hit the 100 mph mark. The sled was the Yamaha Apex GT, dressed in 40th Anniversary trim, breaking the quarter-mile light beam at 12.026 seconds at 102.97 mph. The next machine to hit the triple-digit mark was the Arctic Cat F1000 Sno Pro with a 100.89 mph run and a 12.279-second ET.

The Ski-Doo MX Z 800R X had a best box-stock run of 12.516 seconds at 92.21 mph. The Polaris 700 Dragon, with its 100cc disadvantage, hit 98.25 mph during its 12.719-second pass.



This is taken from an article on the 2008 adirondack shootout. These sleds were all box stock.

Here is a copy of the link: http://www.snowgoer.com/output.cfm?id=1346743


An 800r is the fastest thing that you ever raced and got beat by, and you beat 2 apexs and an F-8(which you claim is only slightly slower than an F-10).............huh?

We do alot of racing at the air strip , and the 800r beat me so bad at 500ft it was a joke. Now when i raced my buds mach it would take him the full lenght of the strip to reel me in . The mach is a 117mph to 120 mph in good conditions. I could get the apex by about 2 to3 sled lenghts every time and the f8 wasn't even close . I have raced alot of sleds over the years and it never seems to end up the way the mags say they do . I don't put to much faith in what the mags have to say they don't live in the real world. I know that it comes down to set up but most guys don't have a clue on how to set up a sled properly.It should be a fun year.

Run along ROOKIE!!!!


You've been owned, time for you to back to Mommy's tit!!!! DT6957 800dooo

If you even remotly liked your Mach and the way it rode you will love the F chassis. Even though they are probably close to the same weight the Z1 feels much lighter.
I feel you on worrying about holding a 2 stroke WFO. Everytime I do it, I hold my breath, luckily my F1K never let me down.
I don't expect the Turbo to be that much faster on top than the 2 stroke. Any DD sled spining less than 8k will have trouble breaking 125. The mid range and getting to that 125 will be the fun part. Its going to be a fun year!

The mach listed dry weight 519 came in at 529 and the Z1 non turbo listed at 575 + turbo 25lbs , so a 600lb sled dry compared to a 529 lb sled ,not that close. You guys are starting to sound like the yammy boys .You never know it may come in over 600 lbs dry i guess we will find out this fall.

Run along to the little kids forum with your Dad's 800 !!

529# Mach Its called dry weight, not weight without motor. Whatever it actually is, it feels twice as heavy when you ride it. Now I understand why they quit making it.

You must be some kind of girlie boy because my mach doesn't feel heavy to me. Plus it toys with f10's...

You know every time you reply to something on this forum it really shows how very little you know about sleds. Keep up the good work .

God bless you once you line up with Crossfire 1000R or even the 800....They have some surprises for you doocock

One of these days you will be serverly

FYI My 08 F8 SnoPro is just as fast as XP800

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The f8 is the slowest 800 i have ever seen it has a better chance against the 600ho , i have seen a 600ho beat a f8 . The f8 owner was pissed at his 10000 dollar turd, he complained all day.I would like to see the 1000r run someday if anyone around here ever buys one, i surely would not waste my time on a f6.5 or what you like to call a f8.

All of this from a ring eating 800 Doo lover.

Do you carry a spare set of rings to go with the spare belt your sled eats every 200 miles???


Keep fixing ROOKIE!!!!

Your calling him a rookie? Based on that post I wouldn't be calling the kettle black if I were you...

It's OK there SONNY..... time to get off Mom's computer and Dad's Sled and grabbing a part of the real world. It's an interesting place!